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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
February 14 2013 23:24 GMT
#861
I'd like a gonzaw lynch much better than a hassy lynch. That being said I'd really prefer an oats or optimally an iamp lynch
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
February 14 2013 23:25 GMT
#862
##unvote
##vote stutters695


NO NINJAING

GET HIM NOW
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
February 14 2013 23:25 GMT
#863
On February 15 2013 08:24 Stutters695 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: imperfections


what is this
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
February 14 2013 23:26 GMT
#864
seems like he claimed idiot

so stupid to do that as scum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 14 2013 23:26 GMT
#865
On February 15 2013 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:01 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
iamp I want you to seriously sit down with the three oats filters I linked, or at least the quotes I linked, and tell me this is town oats

you won't be able to do that because this isn't town oats

you cant just categorically say that.

Each of those games is a different beast.

CT has so much activity there was a ton of info to go off of ( this game not so much)
The other game was a newbie of course he is going to be more forceful he doesn't have vets or better players to listen to

in this game he has stuck his neck out and isnt trying to blend in he is town in this game.


wow you literally didn't read my case, did you.

you're actually just scum.

##unvote
##vote iamperfection

whatever dude your delusional

tell me why you think im scum


you didn't read my case and you're acting like you read it


also you want a bad policy lynch


This particular gentleman wonders if you are in fact yamato in disguise. I wonder, in particular, how lynching someone who lurks in the shadows has become in this establishment, and recent establishments, a "policy lynch" or "coinflip". This indicates that gentlemen have a lack of confidence in their ability to read those with few posts.


Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:09 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:03 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:02 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:00 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:59 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:56 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:
i categorically oppose a lurker policy lynch when there are scummy people to be lynched

but fucking lurking is scummy

So, since scum are the only people that ever lurk, then the scumteam must be Hassy/Sylencia/MrCC/Stutters! Thank you for solving the game! [/sarcasm]

stfu

No. Your entire premise is dumb, because it can be categorically proven than townies lurk from time to time, for whatever reason. Yes, lurking is bad. Yes, lurking hurts town. Yes, it is frustrating to play with people who never post. But no, lurking does not make someone scum. And there are valid reasons to actually think other people ARE scum.

show me where the fuck i said every fucking lurker is scum

Lurking is literally the only reason you've given for wanting to lynch Hassy. So why Hassy, and not CC? Or Sylencia? Or Stutters? If lurking is scummy for one, then it should be scummy for all. Why are you picking him out of the crowd? Context says that if lurking is enough to condemn Hassy as scum, it should be enough to condemn them all.


I am aware, gentleman Keirathi, that this is not aimed at me. Hassybaby usually has enthusiasm for themed games at least when he has good intentions. I remember a previous establishment (Mad Men) where I confidently declared him of evil intentions, for the reason that he never showed any interest in his fellow gentlemen. Count Cheesecake, to my horror, is performing a similar feat to his shenanigans in the watering hole named 'LVIII', therefore I am not confident that he may have evil intentions; Stut-utt-utters has come across as amiable to discourse of late. The man known as Sylencia I also believe may well have evil intentions. He continuously makes little chitter-chatter with other gentlemen, but only ever about his own person, and never unprompted. This is why looking at such gentlemen is not merely "policy".

Forgive me for not jumping to sheep you then, but your weakly reasoned policy-but-not-policy lynch of Kenpachi in Parallel has turned me away from following you down those rabbit holes.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 14 2013 23:27 GMT
#866
It sucks major dick, but stutters does this as town too. See: MTG mafia.

That said, jumping back onto him looks tempting.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 14 2013 23:28 GMT
#867
At the risk of sounding totally scummy, I'm down to list any of the front-runners at the moment. The important thing is that we get a lynch off.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 23:28 GMT
#868
On February 15 2013 08:26 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:01 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
iamp I want you to seriously sit down with the three oats filters I linked, or at least the quotes I linked, and tell me this is town oats

you won't be able to do that because this isn't town oats

you cant just categorically say that.

Each of those games is a different beast.

CT has so much activity there was a ton of info to go off of ( this game not so much)
The other game was a newbie of course he is going to be more forceful he doesn't have vets or better players to listen to

in this game he has stuck his neck out and isnt trying to blend in he is town in this game.


wow you literally didn't read my case, did you.

you're actually just scum.

##unvote
##vote iamperfection

whatever dude your delusional

tell me why you think im scum


you didn't read my case and you're acting like you read it


also you want a bad policy lynch


This particular gentleman wonders if you are in fact yamato in disguise. I wonder, in particular, how lynching someone who lurks in the shadows has become in this establishment, and recent establishments, a "policy lynch" or "coinflip". This indicates that gentlemen have a lack of confidence in their ability to read those with few posts.


On February 15 2013 08:09 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:03 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:02 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:00 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:59 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:56 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:
i categorically oppose a lurker policy lynch when there are scummy people to be lynched

but fucking lurking is scummy

So, since scum are the only people that ever lurk, then the scumteam must be Hassy/Sylencia/MrCC/Stutters! Thank you for solving the game! [/sarcasm]

stfu

No. Your entire premise is dumb, because it can be categorically proven than townies lurk from time to time, for whatever reason. Yes, lurking is bad. Yes, lurking hurts town. Yes, it is frustrating to play with people who never post. But no, lurking does not make someone scum. And there are valid reasons to actually think other people ARE scum.

show me where the fuck i said every fucking lurker is scum

Lurking is literally the only reason you've given for wanting to lynch Hassy. So why Hassy, and not CC? Or Sylencia? Or Stutters? If lurking is scummy for one, then it should be scummy for all. Why are you picking him out of the crowd? Context says that if lurking is enough to condemn Hassy as scum, it should be enough to condemn them all.


I am aware, gentleman Keirathi, that this is not aimed at me. Hassybaby usually has enthusiasm for themed games at least when he has good intentions. I remember a previous establishment (Mad Men) where I confidently declared him of evil intentions, for the reason that he never showed any interest in his fellow gentlemen. Count Cheesecake, to my horror, is performing a similar feat to his shenanigans in the watering hole named 'LVIII', therefore I am not confident that he may have evil intentions; Stut-utt-utters has come across as amiable to discourse of late. The man known as Sylencia I also believe may well have evil intentions. He continuously makes little chitter-chatter with other gentlemen, but only ever about his own person, and never unprompted. This is why looking at such gentlemen is not merely "policy".

Forgive me for not jumping to sheep you then, but your weakly reasoned policy-but-not-policy lynch of Kenpachi in Parallel has turned me away from following you down those rabbit holes.

That lynch was butt, but marv wasn't the only reason it went down. Heck, iirc, he wanted to lynch ME at first. He was also 3P. That lynch was also SPECTACULARLY butt.

Fe fi fo fum.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
February 14 2013 23:28 GMT
#869
On February 15 2013 08:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
It sucks major dick, but stutters does this as town too. See: MTG mafia.

That said, jumping back onto him looks tempting.


>:|
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 14 2013 23:30 GMT
#870
On February 15 2013 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
It sucks major dick, but stutters does this as town too. See: MTG mafia.

That said, jumping back onto him looks tempting.


>:|

If he explains within the next 10 minutes, it's k.

If he doesn't let's lynch him, k?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 23:30 GMT
#871
That is a bad idea DI.

Right now I'm quite interested in Kita's returning thoughts.
Fe fi fo fum.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
February 14 2013 23:30 GMT
#872
On February 15 2013 08:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
It sucks major dick, but stutters does this as town too. See: MTG mafia.

That said, jumping back onto him looks tempting.


>:|

If he explains within the next 10 minutes, it's k.

If he doesn't let's lynch him, k?


This is entirely reasonable.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 14 2013 23:31 GMT
#873
On February 15 2013 08:30 austinmcc wrote:
That is a bad idea DI.

Right now I'm quite interested in Kita's returning thoughts.

Why?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
February 14 2013 23:34 GMT
#874
its a bad idea because it is so stupid therefore stutters is more likely to do that as town.

as scum he would worry more about pulling a stunt like that
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 23:34 GMT
#875
Mainly because I don't care about the ninjavote, tbh. You yourself noted that he has ninja voted as town.

AMG HERE IS A THING THAT WE PERCEIVE AS SCUMMY BUT ALSO HE HAS DONE THIS AS TOWN. LET'S LYNCH HIM UNLESS HE EXPLAINS.

When just a little while before, you said
I also don't actually wanna lynch stutters. Just wanted to pressure him into posting.


That makes me think that you don't find stutters scummy. You don't want to lynch him, just wanted him to post. Yet, despite not finding him scummy, you want to move BACK to him because of something you know he has done as town? Does not compute.

Like, you say you want to go "back" to him. But if your reasons before were "wanted to pressure him into posting," you SHOULDN'T want to go back, because it's lynch time. We need to lynch SCUM. Not lynch someone to try and get them to post. The same reason you say you voted for him previously no longer applies, so going "back" is silliness.
Fe fi fo fum.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
February 14 2013 23:34 GMT
#876
On February 15 2013 08:34 iamperfection wrote:
its a bad idea because it is so stupid therefore stutters is more likely to do that as town.

as scum he would worry more about pulling a stunt like that


as town he'd want to push a case or like interact with the thread in a meaningful way
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
February 14 2013 23:36 GMT
#877
On February 15 2013 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:34 iamperfection wrote:
its a bad idea because it is so stupid therefore stutters is more likely to do that as town.

as scum he would worry more about pulling a stunt like that


as town he'd want to push a case or like interact with the thread in a meaningful way

its so stupid though bh because when i flip he would so get called out for it.
no scum is that dumb.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 14 2013 23:36 GMT
#878
Anyways, with 25 minutes left until the deadline, I am sadly going to switch my vote over to Hassy. 100% policy lynch, but neither of my preferred lynches are happening, and I'm not sold on iamp being scum. I would rather have an iamp that is actually participating to give me something to get a read on him with around later in a game that a person who isn't participating at all.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 14 2013 23:36 GMT
#879
On February 15 2013 08:34 austinmcc wrote:
Mainly because I don't care about the ninjavote, tbh. You yourself noted that he has ninja voted as town.

AMG HERE IS A THING THAT WE PERCEIVE AS SCUMMY BUT ALSO HE HAS DONE THIS AS TOWN. LET'S LYNCH HIM UNLESS HE EXPLAINS.

When just a little while before, you said
Show nested quote +
I also don't actually wanna lynch stutters. Just wanted to pressure him into posting.


That makes me think that you don't find stutters scummy. You don't want to lynch him, just wanted him to post. Yet, despite not finding him scummy, you want to move BACK to him because of something you know he has done as town? Does not compute.

Like, you say you want to go "back" to him. But if your reasons before were "wanted to pressure him into posting," you SHOULDN'T want to go back, because it's lynch time. We need to lynch SCUM. Not lynch someone to try and get them to post. The same reason you say you voted for him previously no longer applies, so going "back" is silliness.

The problem is he doesn't post, but shows he's here.

Call it a policy lynch if you want, and revel in the irony of BH being on board of a policy lynch.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 14 2013 23:36 GMT
#880
On February 15 2013 03:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
@Kita: If your read is "newbie lurker", but you want to lynch him for that,does that mean you have no scumreads at all?


That should have read "mafia newbie lurker".

It's 40 minutes from the deadline and Sylencia still has his vote on myself. It would be one thing if he explained why he thought I was mafia, but from what I can tell he doesn't. He has shown no interest in hunting mafia today and out of the group of lurkers, I think he has the highest chance of flipping scum. I'd be stutters lynch, simply because he has a valid excuse for one cycle. Hassy is tougher, but I don't feel confortable voting for someone who is null, solely for the fact that we need to lynch someone.

iamimp I have down in my notes as leaning town, but I can't actually remember why I wrote that down for him. He seems to be freely giving out alignment opinions early in the game, which is a plus, but his lynch choice on stutters was pretty weak. I wouldn't put him in my top two though today and would prefer if we didn't lynch him right now.

oats would be my backup if I can't convince the majority to switch onto sylencia in the next 30 minutes (go do so now). The thing that caught my attention from him was his weird post with Keirathi. He seemed to infer that he thought Keirathi was scum based on his question, but when I pointed out the contradiction in his logic, he backed off the issue. If he truly was just poking at Keirathi like he claims, I'm not sure what answer he was expecting to get that would point to a town/scum alignment. He has swapped his vote three times to the flavor of the hour, but shows little interest in actually pushing his target.

As I said, I'm more confident of the chance that Sylencia will flip scum, but I have a moderate scum read on oats and would be willing to lynch him as well.

We really should consolidate our votes though. With a day one no-lynch, we essentially end up in the same place tomorrow, expect with the mafia night kills resolved. We might pull off an investigative check to help with the lynch, but a no lynch essentially shortens the game by one cycle and we shouldn't throw away our chance of generating information from the lynch vote today.
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