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On February 18 2013 00:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:05 Vivax wrote:
You could have picked pass, since Kurumi seemed to have picked share information, he would have known your alignment. That's not how the role works. Syl had it wrong in his post. If I picked pass, kurumi potentially could have given me his alignment. As mafia, a player sending me their alignment would have been absolutely no risk to me. My thought process was that a town player with an alignment checker and a vig role, wouldn't be wasting their time using it on a player they thought was town. Let me ask you this: if you had the chance to alignment check or vig a player, would you use it on the player you thought was scum or town?
Let's wifom some more you like it so much
A scum kurumi targeting you (which you say you thought it was), WHY would he pick kill.
Clearly he would have seen that any townie would identify "share" as the best option, especially one that was suspicious of him.
Townie picks share, says before deadline "if i die to kurumi he's scum" or something like that. 1-1 trade, which is still shit for scum. You should have been happy with that, were you town.
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son.
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On February 18 2013 00:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
Here's what I say happened: Scum kita saw he was confronted with the choice. Kurumi said he wasn't going to kill. Scum kita assumed kurumi would pick "pass" to learn his alignment. He didn't think it through and got announced the killer because kurumi made the correct choice for a townie to make, which is share, instead of pass. That doesn't make sense dandel. If scum kita assumes kurumi would pick pass, scum kita picks pass too. No alignments are swapped and he goes away with an "opps looks like we overlapped".
Hell no.
Killing a townie "without any risk"? Sure you do that.
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Town thought process:
Pass: I might learn his alignment, might get shot without an announcement. Okay, but undesireable.
Share: He might learn my alignment, he might be unveiled as my killer. Both desireable outcomes.
Kill: I can't get killed. I might kill him with a good chance of getting revealed. I have nothing more than a passing suspicion of some random post he did. Clearly the inferior option.
Scum thought process:
Pass: I already know alignment, might get killed. Nope.
Share: He might learn my alignment. If he shoots me he gets confirmed town since he's announced killer. NOPENOPENOPE.
Kill: Kills him. good chance of doing so without outing me, if he passes to learn my alignment. Best option for scum.
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Kita tell me why you didn't claim (or at least hint at it or breadcrumb) the shot on kurumi before the daypost?
Because that's a sign of you hoping you wouldn't be exposed you know.
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On February 18 2013 00:23 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:19 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:17 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
Here's what I say happened: Scum kita saw he was confronted with the choice. Kurumi said he wasn't going to kill. Scum kita assumed kurumi would pick "pass" to learn his alignment. He didn't think it through and got announced the killer because kurumi made the correct choice for a townie to make, which is share, instead of pass. That doesn't make sense dandel. If scum kita assumes kurumi would pick pass, scum kita picks pass too. No alignments are swapped and he goes away with an "opps looks like we overlapped". Hell no. Killing a townie "without any risk"? Sure you do that. Without any risk? lol my name gets revealed as the killer. Of course there is risk. If I'm mafia a 1:1 trade simply makes zero sense. That's not this game works.
As I said, you hoped/assumed he would Pass.
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Your arguments:
1) I have a role that magically explains everything but I won't claim it.
2) I can't read. (as per: "Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch")
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions.
Yeaaah.
That is most certainly not what I said.
Correct, it's what I said. Note the As I said, not the As You said.
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On February 18 2013 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
So let me get this straight Dandel, am I a scum player busing syl or do you have a town read on syl?
I will have to blindly assume syl is town for as long as I think you are scum. Doesn't look like a bus imo.
I'm still firmly null on him.
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On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Your arguments:
1) I have a role that magically explains everything but I won't claim it. lol in a game where someone knows my role and can confirm it because they created it, this is the argument you're using?
You said that tho. Don't blame me for the nonsense you say.
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
2) I can't read. (as per: "Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch") Just correcting incorrect logic. You can come to your own conclusions about literacy.
Read this again and tell me the incorrect part in detail: "good chance of doing so without outing me, if he passes to learn my alignment"
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions. Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum.
Sure he did. quite early, too.
He didn't have to say more, since he wasn't planning on, you know, killing shit.
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:24 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son. In fact, that was the exact argument I used earlier for shooting kurumi. He refused to check syl because he was TOO AFRAID OF DYING. How come you're ignoring this? No response to this post? You're using the same reason for wanting to lynch me as I was to shoot kurumi.
No. You choose to reduce it to such to make it sound trivial, but that doesn't make it true.
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On February 18 2013 01:01 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:49 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
So let me get this straight Dandel, am I a scum player busing syl or do you have a town read on syl? I will have to blindly assume syl is town for as long as I think you are scum. Doesn't look like a bus imo. I'm still firmly null on him. Fine you're null. Vivax and Cheese haven't commented. gonzaw is in favor of lynching sylencia marv thinks sylencia is scum stutters is suspcious of sylencia kita wants to lynch sylencia iamimp wants to lynch sylencia jcarl supports a sylencia lynch crossfire is willing to lynch sylencia If seven players support a sylencia lynch and nobody thinks sylencia is town, why am I leading the lynch count right now? Imagine if sylencia was town. The mafia team could simply mislynch him since so many people think he is scum and win the game. Why wouldn't the mafia just push an easy lynch if it were free for the taking? Instead, sylencia is scum, a bunch of people say they are suspicious of him in case he flips at a later time, but instead vote elsewhere.
The same goes for gonzaw, fyi.
I am switching back to him. Sheep me.
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On February 17 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Don't want to elect marv or Dandel.
On February 18 2013 00:54 Vivax wrote:
##Elect Dandel Ion
Anything to say in particular, or did you just plain see the light?
I mean I understand that, it's super obv that I'm town, but it's still a bit quick.
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On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Your arguments:
1) I have a role that magically explains everything but I won't claim it. lol in a game where someone knows my role and can confirm it because they created it, this is the argument you're using? You said that tho. Don't blame me for the nonsense you say. But you seem to have no interest in confirming what I say is truth. You can simply ask: "sup role creator. Is kita correct?" Instead you say: "lol no, lynch kita"
I would hope your rolecreator to have the brains to do it if it is applicable and helpful.
You know who it is?
On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
2) I can't read. (as per: "Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch") Just correcting incorrect logic. You can come to your own conclusions about literacy. Read this again and tell me the incorrect part in detail: "good chance of doing so without outing me, if he passes to learn my alignment" Nevermind, we were saying the same thing there. That is something that could happen, but in that scenario a scum kita would choose pass. By choosing shoot there is a chance that a scum kita gets lynched after the flip. By choosing pass, nothing happens and there is absolutely no risk.
I am sorry I can't take your word on what scum kita and town kita would do. I'm sure you understand.
On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions. Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum. Sure he did. quite early, too. He didn't have to say more, since he wasn't planning on, you know, killing shit.
As I said before, its only obvious after being pointed out. No one else picked up on it besides the role creator, so I'm not alone.[/quote]
If you had wanted to make an educated choice, you should have looked. Especially since you claim he was a scumread of yours. Not only did you never do anything about that, but it also suggests you did not go through his filter at all.
Which is no good sign.
On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:24 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son. In fact, that was the exact argument I used earlier for shooting kurumi. He refused to check syl because he was TOO AFRAID OF DYING. How come you're ignoring this? No response to this post? You're using the same reason for wanting to lynch me as I was to shoot kurumi. No. You choose to reduce it to such to make it sound trivial, but that doesn't make it true. I chose to reduce it?
Yes. There is so much more nonsense you have said and done, yet you maintain that this should be the only/biggest point against you, which is untrue.
Or you're talking about only your feelings on kurumi. Then it is still not really ample reason to shoot somebody in the head either.
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ah crap screwd up one of the quotes
here:
Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions. Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum. Sure he did. quite early, too. He didn't have to say more, since he wasn't planning on, you know, killing shit. As I said before, its only obvious after being pointed out. No one else picked up on it besides the role creator, so I'm not alone.
If you had wanted to make an educated choice, you should have looked. Especially since you claim he was a scumread of yours. Not only did you never do anything about that, but it also suggests you did not go through his filter at all.
Which is no good sign.
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Not much further.
The pace is good.
Soon the universe will join my efforts. No, our efforts.
Tenacity is of utmost importance. Understanding will be reached in time.
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A calling in my soul.
In my bones.
We must not stop this dance of grace and beauty.
Still the partner is of no relevance but a pleasing one has been found. What is joy to one may only be mechanical for the other. The feelings that call from the one are not one of joy yet. But it will become so in time. What time? Not too, I say.
Do they know the path? The steps, yes. But where?
Sure, I cannot be. Sure, I cannot make.
Is the path the goal? If so what about the goal after the path? Irrelevant it may be. Or it may not. Confirmation.
Crossing the finishing line is a step that one needs to take with purpose.
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On February 18 2013 01:47 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:31 Dandel Ion wrote:ah crap screwd up one of the quotes here: On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions. Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum. Sure he did. quite early, too. He didn't have to say more, since he wasn't planning on, you know, killing shit. As I said before, its only obvious after being pointed out. No one else picked up on it besides the role creator, so I'm not alone. If you had wanted to make an educated choice, you should have looked. Especially since you claim he was a scumread of yours. Not only did you never do anything about that, but it also suggests you did not go through his filter at all. Which is no good sign. I most certainly did look. It's obvious that I looked because as I explained in my reasoning of shooting kurumi, that he was scum based on his posts about syl. I just didn't make the connection, which is reasonable considering it was surrounded by nonsense such as Friendship Love, love of tea, loud people, fish in his cereal bowl, riddles, reverse dimensions, and white is white, black is black.
The bond grows weaker.
The future seems bleak.
My power wanes.
Maybe I will find solace in the past.
Would you mind looking for me.
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So kita, waddaya say to lynching gonzo instead?
I sense my own weakness crawling into me.
tenacity, was not a virtue to the wished degree.
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On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:
What happened to gonzaw? At lylo I suddenly become your number one scum read now that my lynch has gained traction? Does all of the reasons gonzaw was scum no longer apply?
Emphasis?
A call for more?
Merely a way to gain my wishes. Our wishes, really.
To go back to what we used to share, it is desireable for one. Understandably less so for who else, but priorities must be set.
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On February 18 2013 01:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Does anyone else find it strange that the person that gonzaw claims to have poisoned hasn't claimed yet? Either the person that was poisoned doesn't want town to know about it or gonzaw hasn't actually used his ability and is lying to us.
Yes a lie was my first instinct indeed.
Happened to even me it has before.
Poison? More like poisson.
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On February 18 2013 01:57 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
So kita, waddaya say to lynching gonzo instead?
I sense my own weakness crawling into me.
tenacity, was not a virtue to the wished degree. I want syl lynched first as he is my strongest read. It looks quite likely that they are both scum. If my vote is needed to hammer a gonzaw lynch, if people refuse to vote for syl, I will do so to avoid a mislynch, but I will continue to push syl until then.
That is well acceptable.
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