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On February 07 2013 00:58 Stutters695 wrote: /in I won't be modkilled. You sure about this? I'll push your lynch if I don't see you posting D1 pal  | ||
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I am going to open this game playing as if I know mattchew is scum. WUT WHY?! I don't believe I can discern mattchew's scum from town early in the game and he is typically very open to discussion and explainations of his thought process (unlike a sandroba type player). thats all for now No it's not. If he tells us he isn't able to read marv, he might as well tend to pressure him, instead he goes for a trollread and doesn't do anything else. @ Sandro What exactly is so townie about that post? | ||
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Would you need explanation for what grush said? Is there a followup by Zess? Does this look like a useful question? No. On February 14 2013 11:03 WeWinMafia wrote: why Layabout? Again, pointless question, no followup in front of obvious troll votes by grush and Oo. 2 questions while lurking in a 2 hour timeline, no generation of discussion whatsoever, no aggression, but looks serious about what he's doing. | ||
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On February 14 2013 21:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why are you asking someone if they think you're town, especially this early in the game? Can't you think of a reason? | ||
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On February 14 2013 22:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can't think of any where asking about scumreads wouldn't be better than town reads. Speaking of which. Who do you currently think is scum? Mattchew and WeWin have made bad posts so far, layabout didn't give a fuck about the votes on him and his activity has been grotesque. What about your scumreads?You think I'm town? | ||
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Asking someone else about my scumread post, then asking me a question of which the answer would be useless for determining my alignment. You don't seem to be as interested into me as you make it look like. | ||
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On February 14 2013 22:46 Mattchew wrote: I wanna know if your playing nervous and new or nervous or nervous and forced Define playing nervously please. Take a seat, share your thoughts. | ||
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Vivax, show me these "bad posts" from WWM (WeWinMafia) please. I have a slight bone to pick. I know they're kind of in your filter, but I'd like you to do it again if you'd be so kind. I'm not so kind with people asking me to do pointless things. | ||
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We should probably all just hug each other and smalltalk right. | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:09 Hopeless1der wrote: This is where I'd probably play the "Why don't you go read my filter" card, but I suspect you've done that and you're fishing for my ##Vote: Zessionar Is this acceptable? You noticed you'd misquoted WWM believing it to be Zess. I wanted you to go back over it to verify your opinion and show me, with full knowledge of who you were talking about, what you had a problem with because your filter contains false accusations and exaggerated conclusions (on the assumption it was Zess). Show me these false accusations and exaggerated conclusions please. | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:28 Mattchew wrote: Vivax what gave supersoft away to you :-)... | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:43 Mattchew wrote: You forced out reads that seemed like you wanted to answer his question more than you actually cared about the content of your reads The content was already laid out in my previous post. Artanis question looked pointless to me as well cause of that, but he was so polite to answer my questions that I did the same. Matt, who are your current subjects of interest? | ||
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What are your reads of WeWin and Zess? | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:51 yamato77 wrote: Marv I would say looks quite town, yes. I don't know about risk, but the fact that he's looking at Zess is encouraging. I do think Zess is likely mafia at this point. His attempts at "scum hunting" are truly pathetic. On February 15 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote: I'm attacking how he is scum hunting, which is carelessly and with no regard for justification. Is it a bad thing to scumhunt carelessly and with no regard for justification? If anything I'd think mafia would tend to put lots of justification for everything they do. But might vary between players. | ||
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##yamato77 I read your name in the bottom of my coffee cup bitch. | ||
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That was semi-serious, according to yamato you need a justification for every pressure you apply as town, and if you don't justify it you're mafia? | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:28 Coagulation wrote: well lets see layabout seems like a mislynch sandroba seems like an ass. not necesarrily alignment indicative but I wouldnt lose sleep over lynching him. hiropro is scummy as fuck with his "lynching for fun" and his withholding info from town but I dont know if he will actually flip scum or not. grush seems to not give a shit but I cant really claim hes scummy for it. You were satisfied with this answer and told him to go lurking. How did you find this answer satisfactory? | ||
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On February 15 2013 16:58 Zessionar wrote: You need like one page of text for your argument which is: Zess is throwing around votes for no reason, that leads to an environment where everyone votes for no reason. But I really only did it very early on, where votes obviously mean almost nothing. And I did it to get the game going. The phase of fooling around, to get the game going is over now. ##unvote and hell yes i am noncomittal because it's fucking day1 and i have enough time left to take a stance. If I want to lynch marv or anyone else, you will notice and i won't vote anyone (from now on) for no damn good reason. your case against me is completely pointless, because all that doesnt make me scummy. The bolded part looks scummy as shit. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:29 Zessionar wrote: and who is the scummiest player among these: HiroPro Hopeless1der Artanis[Xp] yamato77 grush57 layabout On February 15 2013 08:40 Zessionar wrote: i don't want to talk about that stuff right now :-/ i don't want to lynch anyone of them right now, but i have my preferences... Now you tell others to look into a list of players when we still don't know who you want to lynch and when called out about your bs you make a collection of random posts from the first 4 players in that list (although they have some merit, but you never seemed to have the intention of going after them, you preferred talking about burgers). If you're too busy in rl to play properly then look for a replacement, until then it's just an excuse for not doing anything while trying to look like you are. | ||
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On February 15 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote: | ||
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He posted a list, told us to deal with it and basically announced to go back lurking afterwards. | ||
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Seriously, get your shit together, this dude is scum. | ||
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He took a lot of effort in LIX to try and lead town towards the lynch along with marv even when no one was in the thread, here he complained about activity and said he doesn't feel arsed to post when no one else is. Given their interactions I could even see him be in team with SS. SS didn't include him in the list but said he found some things suspicious when asked about Toad (and he didn't answer to me but he answered to Sandro, looks like he's only interested to share thoughts when he feels threatened) | ||
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Comment on it then. Tell me why you're not interested in lynching Zess. | ||
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Marv is taking a lot of stuff out of context. In LIX I was pushing JX and got antagonized a lot. When marv got elected mayor, I asked him if it's good to lynch prplhz over Oats just cause of meta (and both were mafia) if I recall correctly, I didn't scream at him to pick someone else despite being sure about JX. D2 I had a check on gonzaw and got mad at people not seeing he's scum or looking like they were defending him, that's where I got really aggressive with my posts, simply cause I was certain of the outcome and yelled at everyone antagonizing it. This is the part marv is overinflating implying I always play like that. For the rest of the game I subsequently got better, in the end I wasn't pushing as much of my own as the first two days. His whole argument about me being mafia is that I don't make noise after posting my arguments and them going unnoticed, and his only game of reference is LIX for making a meta case based on a really short timespan. In Toad's mafia game I pushed JX as well, constantly trying to pick apart his counter points, but cause he replied to them. When people didn't want to discuss him or he didn't reply, I focused on other players (Sharrant). Same as here when I try to get things going and people just didn't care cause my opinion about Zess didn't seem to matter unless when it's used to call me scum. Here I push Zess, and not only does almost everyone including himself ignore it nor does he deliver any counter arguments. I get shat on by marv for not going obnoxious mode when he's warned me to stay "calm" just before with the yamato vote. His argument is that I'm mafia cause I don't behave loud and spammy like in LIX where the situation was different. According to him I should have kept asking my questions which remained unanswered, and the funny thing is, I did that anyway. According to him I fucked off cause I don't like repeating my questions endlessly when it's clear people don't want to answer them. This isn't a big game like LIX, I'm not getting antagonized for everything I do, and town is moving into the right direction anyway, so tell me again why I should be repeating what I've said about SS, who still isn't doing shit about scumhunting except dropping OMGUS votes on people who even weren't on his so important list. That guy is doesn't have his own genuine reads or even push them like marv asks me to push mine, you see it from miles away. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:51 risk.nuke wrote: I would back a vivax lynch. Explain, I even doubt you've read the thread properly. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:44 syllogism wrote: What do you think about Vivax? I guess 5 minutes isn't enough for this discussion. Vivax's play certainly doesn't look like LVIII or whatever, but it also doesn't look like his mafia play in that mini with wbg and palmar. This guy gets it, and he doesn't use my absence after a few posts to build his whole case. Marv, question: What lynches are you talking about in Hero? Lynches I agreed with, lynches I opposed, lynches that didn't coincide with my targets. Cause there is no "generic lynch attitude" like you're trying to put it. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:15 syllogism wrote: I would lynch you over Zess, so you may want to also look at yamato and possibly toad. There are at least three people who won't be voting for zess. I'd like to hear your own reasons for believing I'm scum. Cause I'm not. Yamato is roughly in the same category as Oo and matt for me on the activity side. His reasoning when called out looked like he pulled it out of his ass and he quit responding to people afterwards, doing a similar thing to Zess: first posting his scumreads then justifying it with something rather random, but him not being around at deadline to discuss lynches gives me reason enough to vote for him. Can't say I'm convinced though given the low information I have on him as compared to Zess. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:20 Zessionar wrote: ahm, marvel might not be scum tbh :D i am starting to believe vivax is scum though It just shows how serious you were about your shitlists. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:24 HiroPro wrote: Btw, everyone should note that Artanis was not the majority voter on yamato - he came afterwards. Additionally, he was a person who constantly defended yamato by attempting to frame the case on him as being about lurking instead the extremely strange behavior in the beginning (which Artanis also attempted to explain away) and by complaining about the wagon being fast. The most suspicious part about the wagon thing is where he says the yamato wagon is too fast while ignoring the super wagon which was actually bigger and faster-developing. I took a look at it, and I also noticed that while he argues that the bandwagon didn't pick up with enough reasoning. On February 16 2013 04:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm more comfortable with zess as he didn't randomly start picking up speed without reasoning. Actually checked over it again and it was only one vote, but the sentiment seems to be that everyone's happy to lynch him which worries me. It's hard for me to keep track right now though. Given this reasoning, why didn't he actually take a closer look at the players voting for yamato? Asking why they did it? Noticed, for example, that my inital vote on him was just a pressure vote and not a vote decisive for lynching him. Looks to me like he found yamato's bandwagon scummy without further digging among the people actually making it scummy. I wouldn't expect that motivation to lack if he really believed what he said. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote: and if you don't care who hammered mafia, you shouldn't be playing mafia, frankly. Mostly the people being sure of him before you. But you seem to be used to your own arrogance despite flipflopping with your vote at the end. You didn't play as big of a role as you think there, and I'm not mafia either marv. Get down your high horse and start playing by considering yourself a human being. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I thought the Yamato train was strange because there was seemingly no reasoning for it. It was a very weak case. Regarding Zess, we actually argued over him a lot, yet Yamato just came up and people were all up for lynching him which worried me greatly. That's why I found the Yamato train far stranger than Zess. Also, half the evening I was posting from my cellphone whilst at a gig in honor of my Dad's 60th birthday. I might not have been as observant then as I normally am. But people suddenly joining in and wanting to lynch me was perfectly fine? That includes you by the way. Without mentioning a single reason. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:39 Zessionar wrote: If 4 people claim to be the hammer :D but i am slightly less suspicious of marv right now... Others actually seem to be suspicious of him and his attitude regarding yamato. What are your reasons? | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:39 marvellosity wrote: i'm not saying it makes me definitively town, but i went over to yamato, and artanis came with me, specifically citing me as the reason for doing so. quite important. I didn't question your townieness, I want to remind you that you're giving yuorself too much credit for that lynch, and I'd like if you revisited my play in this game, cause I'm not scum and to me it looks like you get overly confident based on so little. It has pretty heavy consequences as you have seen. You attracted people wanting to lynch me out of nowhere and with no reason cause your word weighs so heavy, and that should make you sceptical of your read if you weren't so sure of yourself. You're not infallible either, marv. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:44 marvellosity wrote: funny when at the last minute you would have been quite happy with a no lynch, telling us to vote zessionar. And yet some of us actually lynched yamato, right at the death. Not you though. Funny isn't it? I wanted to lynch Zess, deal with it. I'm not infallible. | ||
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You caused all that confusion risking no lynch in the first place, so go screw yourself for your double standards. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:40 marvellosity wrote: as in, whether yamato is town or mafia is irrelevant to how hiro made his vote On February 16 2013 00:42 Zessionar wrote: no i don't think so: If Hiro votes scum for absolutely no reason, that's not scummy at all. If hero votes town for no reason, that's scummy. On February 16 2013 00:43 Zessionar wrote: no that's correct in this case we have right here, since hiro said he'd provide more evidence. On February 16 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote: so what if he said he would? he hadn't and just dropped his vote. your point of view only has any credence if you know people's alignments ahead of time, which I don't, and unless you're mafia, you don't either. On February 16 2013 00:46 Zessionar wrote: lol now you're twisting my words, since i accuse you of knowing yamatos alignment :D Check the first nested quote: No he's right. What he's saying makes perfect sense... I asked you to give some more reasoning for your vote on jiro (was that hiro? i believe so) when he voted yamato for no reason. I didn't think about it back then, but syllo hit the nail right on the head. You look so confident that yamato is town, that you don't even try to question yamato before you "counter-vote" hiros vote. You know what i am saying... that's pretty scummy of you btw :D Ok, supersoft agrees with syllo on yamato being a decent lynch cause of his interactions with marv...Since marv, according to him and syllo, blindly defended yamato. But in truth his opinion differs from syllo's, since contrary to syllo, SS seems extremely sure that yamato is town, cause of this post that implies that Hiro's vote was a scummy vote on town with no justification: no i don't think so: If Hiro votes scum for absolutely no reason, that's not scummy at all. If hero votes town for no reason, that's scummy. In the end, he accused marv of knowing yamato's alignment, which apparently he looked sure to be town, but... On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote: Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct: 2. ObviousOne Filter 4. Mattchew Filter 7. HiroPro Filter 10. Hopeless1der Filter 11. Artanis[Xp] Filter 13. yamato77 Filter 14. grush57 Filter 15. layabout Filter in the next 5 hours, i want everyone to focus on these players. I know it's half of the players in this game. One of them will be lynched today. in 5 hours, we will break the list down to 4 of them and in 7 hours i want only 2 of them left and in 8 hours, i want to have one guy with enough votes for a lynch. that's my plan. Marv, toad I expect you to be helping me there. Yamato was in his list...As townread? His next posts don't mention yamato or marv anyway, he quickly lost interest after arguing with marv and he goes casual about other players. Both not in his list. On February 16 2013 03:06 Zessionar wrote: I still think we should lynch one of the people on my list. Toad is kind of scummy, he might be a good lynch but well, day1 went as it went, and i refuse to lynch players with more than one filter :-o risk.nuke, you might wanna post something here again... you're still playing right? To me it looks like Zess overreacted to marv's defensive behavior regarding yamato, similar to Toad's last mafia where mafia JX immediately attacked a player defending his scumbuddy thrawn about to get lynched (which he in truth wasn't defending). Then, he keeps yamato in his list when it's obvious he read him as town in front of marv, and votes for him in the end when he has the excuse of sheeping on the yamato wagon for self-preservation, which is sadly impossible to use to prove he was bussing yamato, but keeping him in a scumread list when it seems to be a townread looks obvious enough to me: He kept the option of bussing open for himself. | ||
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Syllo, who should I be looking into again? | ||
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On February 16 2013 21:35 Zessionar wrote: Vivax must be some kind of a modern biblical plague... Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? | ||
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On February 16 2013 21:49 marvellosity wrote: Oats only pushed gonzaw later though, on day 2, when oats was already looking doomed himself. before then he hadn't pushed him at all. And yamato had no reason to feel threatened when he posted his stuff about Zess? Maybe you should actually read that. | ||
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On February 16 2013 21:50 marvellosity wrote: not being funny Vivax, but it's precisely how you got away with playing in LIX I already explained why I played like I played in LIX. If you want me to play like that every time I'm town, you're an idiot. | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:25 yamato77 wrote: Why don't you think Zess likes you, and why is his opinion of you alignment indicative at all? On February 15 2013 01:40 yamato77 wrote: Well I guess it makes sense since he jumped on me for the same kind of shit. Do I see a trend appear? Who's next on his list, Marv? In the first post you'd rather see some kind of soft-defence of Zess since he calls out nuke for calling him mafia or idiot. If you look at the next you see him being pushed into that certain direction by risk's next post, looks like he felt the need to not defend Zess after doing the opposite, when people started pressuring him for the wishywashy, he actually started giving out forced scumreads on very weak reasoning, and tried to desperately give it a base in his bigger post. | ||
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Attacking others for being sure about yamato being town when you believe he's scum in your list. | ||
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His activity is so low that him not mentioning yamato can't be attributed reliably to his alignment. If he's scum I don't see him risking a modkill by not voting, so he probably has a rl reason for not talking about yamato. But nothing's sure at this point. | ||
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On February 17 2013 07:18 Zessionar wrote: rofl Toad :D Why didn't you wait another night :D awwww now i am extremely afraid :D ? | ||
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On February 17 2013 07:24 Zessionar wrote: I hope they didn't RB him, because he announced it at the beginning of the night ;-) I only see him announcing it after action resolution period, did I miss something? | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:16 marvellosity wrote: Hero Mini Mafia had 16 players and 4 mafia, with mafia having 1KP and a mafia vigilante (but no roleblocker). I don't actually think 1KP per night is that unreasonable. Hero Mini had SK. 0 kills tonight would be really lucky if there's SK. So I'm assuming there isn't, which leaves us with 1 KP mafia. Or maybe they can withhold shots and use them later, meh. Given Artanis strange role we might also be in for some surprise roles. | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:17 HiroPro wrote: Are you that dumb you stupid moron? Actions couldn't have been changed at that time. Hiro, why so mad? | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:25 marvellosity wrote: Hero Mini did not have SK. Wasn't that the game with debears claiming? | ||
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On February 17 2013 07:18 Zessionar wrote: rofl Toad :D Why didn't you wait another night :D awwww now i am extremely afraid :D Zess, why were you afraid of marv getting shot when you've been constantly calling him scum previously? | ||
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Huge case against Zess: + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2013 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote: First off, back to Zessionar ##Unvote: Yamato77 ##Vote: Zessionar Here's why I find his initial vote, and the follow-ups scummy: Its not supposed to be random (I Think?), but theres still a statistic there. Also, that statistic is NOT 4/16 like it should be, its 4/15, which assumes Zess is town. (Super)soft townclaim People assume it was a joke, yet its followed up by: When I have the audacity to be like "wtf u doin bro?" And I kind of just left it to see if anyone else gave a shit. I don't buy that it was a complete joke, which is why I brought it back up later. I asked him how exaggerated things were, and he replied: Still alluding to the notion that he has reasoning for his "joke" vote. It's not like I'm not the only person who voiced concern about this either: His response to marv, regarding risk being "decent scum" is complete bullshit. Why would a townie ever fabricate that? Am I actually that dense that I completely missed the humor here? There seemed to be little if any reason for jollies. He finally "explains" his vote...+ Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 00:58 Zessionar wrote: hahaha, i just wanted to say something nice along with useless and paranoid... quite perceptive... yeah i dont think so. risk used to be like vivax. he didnt read, but kept posting derailing stuff. And his explanation is called out as nonsense: + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote: So... you voted for him because you think he's bad at town and bad at mafia? That makes no sense If he's bad at mafia then he's catchable, and your entire reasoning is nonsense. Come clean please and he moves to just sweep it riiight under the rug. This ends why I find his initial vote scummy Moving right along, Zess comes in with this fantastic plan: No, wait not that one...that ended in burgers. This one? hmmm maybe not. Oh here's the one. Wait, this is shit too, wtf is going on here? This "plan" has no justification as being useful or necessary. It also lets Zessionar just sheep into the town's choices since it was his list to begin with. I don't need to be corralled into consolidation. Do you? Consider his "speed" analysis': + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote: 2. ObviousOne Filter: 1 page this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206&user=263107 old VT day1 game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=263107 he's really only trolling this game. He was playing much more serious in his last game. either blue or scum. makes no sense as VT - trolling newbie players that are VT are definetely playing against their wincondition. He stays in the lynchlist. 4. Mattchew Filter: 1 page Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too. "is pretty townie" i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh. I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax. Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific... He should stay in the lynchlist for now 7. HiroPro Filter: 1 page "Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was." This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target... I'd let him off the hook for today :-/ I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible... 10. Hopeless1der Filter the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view... I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing. don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum... "I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way." hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible. I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb. Everyone who does a little research knows, that i get shot early as town... but whatever. It's just sad, that many players do no research about their favourite lynchcandidate. I mean a bad case should be a scumtell, because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases. __________________________________________________ first four players... speedanalysis... He very quickly dismissed HiroPro. Why not do this beforehand? He barely even reaches a conclusion about me, but there's a problem in there too: I don't give two shits about you getting shot early, ESPECIALLY in a game with marvellosity, sandroba and syllogism as your competition for the "who eats the first bullet" contest. Trying to pass this off as conclusive proof of township, or at least unlynchability is in my eyes a very scummy manoeuvre to belittle his attackers. A brief interlude into meta, from Dessert Mini Mafia: Pointless shit, say for example: mccurrywurst? I don't see useful contributions coming out of Zessionar. His vote is no where to be found, and I have no idea where its going either: However, if you were to skim Dessert, where he's so proud to have caught the 3rd-party SK, he has no problem whatsoever in telling people they're scum, check if you don't believe me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&user=64722¤tpage=All Limited source, but there are some similarities between that filter and EmileZola's filter (WBG+SS Smurf-Hydra) in Normal IV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&user=296899¤tpage=All Especially the lists of reads, and the overall aggressiveness, which is something sandroba picked up on already in this game. Renounces on everything he wrote cause he was getting a great deal of slack. This is an utter lie.Here comes the next votecount. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2013 06:12 Hopeless1der wrote: okay so considering the German knocks "useless posting" out the window, and with the snarky response I've gotten for my case, the aggression is back strong as ever. I still have an issue with the way zessionar has gone about trying to reason out his lynch target, but since he's getting a great deal of slack, I'll look into other candidates. ##Unvote: Zessionar On February 16 2013 06:41 Keirathi wrote: V-v-v-v-v-vote Count! Zessionar (6) - yamato77 (4) - WeWinMafia (2) - HiroPro (1) - Coagulation, Vivax (0) - Coagulation (0) - Mattchew (0) - risk.nuke (0) - layabout (0) - ObviousOne (0) - Hopeless1der (0) - marvellosity (0) - Not Voting: Coagulation, Mattchew, Zessionar, Hopeless1der Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 16 players alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch. Deadline is in roughly 1 hour 15 minutes. If you notice any errors in the vote count, please let me know! On February 16 2013 06:45 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay so nothing on Matt, cool. Between Vivax and Yamato I'd prefer Vivax. After reading through WWM I get nothing out of his filter that tells me he's scum. Aside from sandroba having a hunch, I don't see a good reason to go down that road. Right after the votecount the majority is on Zess, and he still looks into other players, not into the guy he wrote the case about. Subsequently, he adapts his votes to town sentiment. On February 16 2013 06:57 Hopeless1der wrote: its a good thing grush STARSENSES 'd or I'd be down to get rid of him. ##Vote: Vivax On February 16 2013 07:43 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Vivax ##Vote: Yamato77 When I ask him why he voted yamato despite never being interested in him: On February 16 2013 07:55 Hopeless1der wrote: the vets said so...like all of them. How can I resist? The only thing that gives me doubts is that he didn't switch to Zess when he had the chance to, but what if the Zess and yamato wagon both were on scum? → Scum wouldn't have seen the reason to switch since it was scum dying anyway, and yamato dying wouldn't hurt scum as much as SS dying. I'd also like you to look at earlygame where I asked hopeless if he thinks Zess is scum, he replied with this post that looks really forced: On February 15 2013 00:09 Hopeless1der wrote: This is where I'd probably play the "Why don't you go read my filter" card, but I suspect you've done that and you're fishing for my ##Vote: Zessionar Is this acceptable? You noticed you'd misquoted WWM believing it to be Zess. I wanted you to go back over it to verify your opinion and show me, with full knowledge of who you were talking about, what you had a problem with because your filter contains false accusations and exaggerated conclusions (on the assumption it was Zess). 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Look at my reaction to marv instead: I don't feel the need to play in a way that is made to appease people attacking me, hopeless does, when marv noticed him he immediately tried to adapt to how he should be playing in marv's eyes. Sadly, successfully. Look at his reaction when I ask him if he thinks Zess is scum: He votes for him, fearing to look noncommittal, that while actually thinking I might be scum. Do you fear the opinion of people you think to be scum as opposed to people you think to be town? | ||
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On February 17 2013 09:20 Hopeless1der wrote: You can't lynch me until Zess flips scum. Your adaptive play, incongruent with your own reads is a good reason. You staying on yamato around deadline is the only thing keeping you afloat, currently. You also seem to be mostly here, reading the thread but not posting on your own initative unless it's to react to something. | ||
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On February 17 2013 09:41 layabout wrote: vivax you are calling hopeless1der scum based on the assumption that zessionar is scum. but both of them look pretty town. hopeless's first vote occurred when i was there was very little pressure on yamato, and he easily has justified moving to and stayingon zessionar. It makes little sense for him to be mafia. What makes you think Zess is town, and how is the justification of his Zess vote genuine when it was in response to marv's suspicion? | ||
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On February 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Oh it doesnt. The part where you have no apparent reasons for calling Zess scum are what got me. I never mentioned reasons for Zess being scum? | ||
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On February 17 2013 10:29 Hopeless1der wrote: You never mentioned anything further. You took for granted that Zess is scum and used that to make a case on me. Why split your attention? Wtf is this question, there are three scum left. | ||
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On February 17 2013 09:59 Hopeless1der wrote: Where did vivax go..? ##Vote: Vivax On February 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Oh it doesnt. The part where you have no apparent reasons for calling Zess scum are what got me. Hopeless is clearly using a double standard here, he calls me scum for not justifying my attack, but votes for me without mentioning a single reason on his own. ##Vote Hopeless1der I'm not convinced by the arguments saying he's town either. Aside from his connection with Zess, his play is reactive, doesn't show a motivation to pursue his own reads and doesn't coincide with his own line of thoughts as seen here. I don't buy his reasons for letting off Zess either, I believe the whole reason for giving him slack is that Zess isn't at danger of being lynched anymore. Might post more later if I find the time. | ||
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How does a pressure vote on yamato make me mafia, explain. Why do you think Zess is town? | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:23 Vivax wrote: Marv, you're a party pooper. That was semi-serious, according to yamato you need a justification for every pressure you apply as town, and if you don't justify it you're mafia? Cherry on top: On February 15 2013 03:15 Hopeless1der wrote: If you dont/cant/wont justify your actions, you shouldnt be talking because its just pointless noise. Yam has the right of the matter, get your head out of your ass. On February 15 2013 10:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I look forward to it. I accept. ##Unvote: Zessionar ##Vote: Yamato77 Open your eyes. This dude is scum. | ||
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So much for the argument that hopeless isn't scum for his yamato vote. Why should scum disregard the cred for lynching someone day 1 who would probably be lynched the next day? It would only be risky for them to delay the lynch and be responsible for it. Looking at the wagon isn't reliable. Scum has an easy time having their votes on the right place. | ||
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He sure looks better to me than people like Coag do. I'd rather see how the responses to an eventual lynch are before shooting him. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:34 risk.nuke wrote: Can't for the life of me understand what yamato have done to warrant being lynched over Zess. Seriously what are you doing! Zess who straight out changed his mind about his reasoning when questioned. That fucking translates to he made up his reasoning. Can somebody tell me why a townie would do that? On February 15 2013 19:58 risk.nuke wrote: I don't like the Yamato wagon. The initial voters Zess(now withdrawn) and Vivax reasoning are straight out terrible. Hiro's reasoning is quite weak, and quite disappointing after he dropped his big vote now I'll explain later. The only one's reasoning that has a point is Layabout's. But even so I don't think the leap between bad and scum is that suspicious. I told myself that this morning I'd have figured out who I want to lynch but well. We have basically no performance from Obvious, Coag, Mattchew, Vivax, Grush. Pretty disappointing performances from Syllo, Sandroba and Marv who've done zero scumhunting. Are you still waiting for the game to start? | ||
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Actually I'd like to hear a few reasons for lynching marv first. I'm not the guy who feels comfortable while sheeping and I didn't suspect marv of being scum so far. Euphory and your awesomeness aside, what makes you so sure marv is scum? The fact he thought nuke is nullish-town? He also thinks I'm nullish scum, so what? | ||
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Marv, Toad, Oo, Hiro, Coag. That's where the last scum must be. 12 town, 2 scum left. Lynching down this list can make a max of 3 mislynches, that leaves you with 9 town and 2 scum about to die. That basically means town won and scum can concede cause they don't stand a chance anyway. Thoughts? | ||
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On February 18 2013 07:53 grush57 wrote: hey guys, i don't know if this is a good idea or what it means but, I am Jailer and I rbed zessionar You jailed offensively? | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:03 Zessionar wrote: ##vote: vivax scumdayvig it all makes sense. GG viv. You're retarded. | ||
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On February 19 2013 02:39 marvellosity wrote: i pushed vivax for hours  gg though, i bitch out of love Your reason for pushing me wasn't reliable imo. Given that I became less suspicious for posting more at the right timings, your scumread remained a temporary one based on your heuristic. I should have just mentioned some excuse instead of giving that answer when you said I delurked. | ||
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Everyone except matt didn't want to lynch me before they knew I was vig and shot you anyway, so I'm not just looking at the end result. But you've been behaving quite elitist from the start, acting like the uber-super players in qt and chat. I can understand that given your experience, but it makes you look like an asshole and demotivates your own teammates, just don't act like it's all other people's fault and accept that this town has simply been very good and all of us could have been better. | ||
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On February 19 2013 07:04 supersoft wrote: both, vivax and toad played good in my eyes. Thanks dude, try to be less of a jerk as town maybe, I have to improve in that regard as well lol. | ||
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