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On February 13 2013 05:27 HiroPro wrote: Are third parties possible? Sure there are. Party pre-game. Party in-game. Party post-game. | ||
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On February 14 2013 10:32 grush57 wrote: The europeans are sleeping we can have a party. who wants in? FUCK YEAH. Let's have a VOTE PARTY! ##Vote Layabout For laying about. | ||
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##UNVOTE Layabout | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:28 Coagulation wrote: well lets see layabout seems like a mislynch sandroba seems like an ass. not necesarrily alignment indicative but I wouldnt lose sleep over lynching him. hiropro is scummy as fuck with his "lynching for fun" and his withholding info from town but I dont know if he will actually flip scum or not. grush seems to not give a shit but I cant really claim hes scummy for it. Salutations! There was a great revelation today while I was attending the conference. It seems one of our fruits, he who prefers expedience, would rather let you choose first from the fruit bowl. Does that make you question whether or not he himself is willing to reach first, or do you suspect he has already had his eye upon the juiciest among us and wants to gauge or gamble or bet based on your first choice? In addendum, it was found that plastic squeeze bottles are the optimal choice for hamburgers. Please recycle. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:08 Coagulation wrote: you bitched about him not contributing. He told you to fuck off. then contributed. I dont see the problem. If anything is off about what just happened it would be grush trying to push marv to keep lynching me out of nowhere. Scum fucking love to ride other peoples cases. I must agree; the bad fruit at the top of the bowl will tend to stick out the most. We would also do well to observe how we could rot from within if the bad fruit is allowed to settle to the bottom of the bowl. The top fruit is the most exposed, however, and should be pruned mercilessly. I would not mind starting the process with some orange crush. | ||
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##Vote Zessionar He has expressed interest in having everyone show their seedy innards for all to see, especially where the grapes (with their invaluable vines) are concerned. Not to terribly sure what kind of fruit salad he was concocting in his shopping list: On February 15 2013 08:29 Zessionar wrote: and who is the scummiest player among these: HiroPro Hopeless1der Artanis[Xp] yamato77 grush57 layabout Doesn't match up with his following list very well, despite having a list of fruits he potentially wanted to see chopped up (why did grush yamato and layabout drop off?): + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote: 2. ObviousOne Filter: 1 page this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206&user=263107 old VT day1 game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=263107 he's really only trolling this game. He was playing much more serious in his last game. either blue or scum. makes no sense as VT - trolling newbie players that are VT are definetely playing against their wincondition. He stays in the lynchlist. 4. Mattchew Filter: 1 page Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too. "is pretty townie" i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh. I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax. Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific... He should stay in the lynchlist for now 7. HiroPro Filter: 1 page "Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was." This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target... I'd let him off the hook for today :-/ I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible... 10. Hopeless1der Filter the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view... I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing. don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum... "I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way." hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible. I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb. Everyone who does a little research knows, that i get shot early as town... but whatever. It's just sad, that many players do no research about their favourite lynchcandidate. I mean a bad case should be a scumtell, because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases. __________________________________________________ first four players... speedanalysis... and + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote: Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct: 2. ObviousOne Filter 4. Mattchew Filter 7. HiroPro Filter 10. Hopeless1der Filter 11. Artanis[Xp] Filter 13. yamato77 Filter 14. grush57 Filter 15. layabout Filter in the next 5 hours, i want everyone to focus on these players. I know it's half of the players in this game. One of them will be lynched today. in 5 hours, we will break the list down to 4 of them and in 7 hours i want only 2 of them left and in 8 hours, i want to have one guy with enough votes for a lynch. that's my plan. Marv, toad I expect you to be helping me there. The net is wide enough to capture fruits of either disposition and thus vague enough to be used safely. The lists also don't appear to step on any toes. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:20 marvellosity wrote: i still don't get why people don't give a shit that Vivax isn't here pushing stuff, when normally he screams like a maniac as town. i don't get it at all. I'll vote him tomorrow, remember that yesterday was Singles Awareness day so you could be fair and give him a shot at redemption. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:41 marvellosity wrote: he's not as active or doing anything as he is when he plays town. sadly i think he's just absent. i still think vivax has a good chance of being mafia. I think with his random reapparance and disappearance that ObviousOne has an extremely good chance of being mafia. Sadly people aren't here to coordinate a fucking thing. Last time I watched you start a last-minute vote switch you were mafia. Just saying. Oh, and you did it to me. So I suspect you'll lay down some general suspicion on me today and engineer my lynch tomorrow. I'm not seeing Yamato as scum yet. Sticking with Zess. Also, using one of my first games' activity from many months ago is a pretty weak meta case to use. | ||
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This isn't a bad way to go out. I approve. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:51 marvellosity wrote: If there aren't at least 2 mafia between Vivax, OO, coag, then I'll eat my hat Can you take a picture of the options so I can pick which you eat later when you are proven wrong? | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:58 Vivax wrote: It wasn't obvious who was going to get lynched during the process, there was a chance for Zess to get lynched still. You caused all that confusion risking no lynch in the first place, so go screw yourself for your double standards. Scum could capitalize on the situation if they hadn't voted yet though, right? Quite a few late votes, even my own. | ||
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Slept for 14 hours. Basically from my last post, I think the last thing I read before passing out was the vote count. Just as you have already admitted yourself, I had an early town read on Yamato and I was more pre-occupied with thoughts about WWM and Zess to consider Yamato a candidate. Originally I wanted to make a case on WWM, but I read his filter and nothing really said to me clear scum intention. Zess, on the other hand, had been basically saying "what do you guys thing about X dude" where X is a name in one of his lists. Lists which pretty much ignore the majority of the veteran players. The jump I made in my head was me thinking it looks a lot like "Let's have the strong group of veterans look at people who I don't know" but like I said before, it's almost half of the players in the game he's asking about or talking about in the span of a few posts. Wide net of players to be suspicious of. Really the only thing that's going against my thoughts on this one is that he didn't resist a Yamato lynch. I don't know Zess' playstyle well enough to determine if meta could used against him on this. As for the possibility of no-lynch, it was up between a town-read I had on Yamato and a scum-read I had on Zess. My "stories" are all perfectly rational if you took the time to consider them where they fall in the thread. | ||
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I read Vivax. Then I found myself in the Hopeless filter. Something there took me into the Grush filter and it's almost easier to list who he didn't vote for. Marv had a shot to join Grush in a vote against me earlier on, and declined. I wasn't really being discussed, in fact I think I was being ignored because nobody understood me. Grush voted Zess three separate times (lol). This is telling me that Marv knows a shit case when he sees it. Marv thinks I'm mafia, and I guess the only real reasons he have given are: I wasn't readable. I wasn't matching one of my town activity metas. After this flip he can now add: voted for the other guy Please tell me how this is not a shit case. | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ObviousOne, do you still feel Zess is scum? Coagulation, do you have anything to add to the discussion? Any explanation why grush or risk.nuke are scum, presuming that wasn't a horrible joke? Feels a lot less likely given how long / how many times Yamato voted for Zess. I need to read Vivax again with a fresh perspective as well as hear more from Coag | ||
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On February 17 2013 06:38 syllogism wrote: Have you played any games with grush or is this just based on casual reading of other games of his? Can you link me to the game you used as reference for your conclusion? Do you really expect to get a better read on him when he makes his next "case"? Answer my question about Yamato. Why did you think he was town? RE: Grush I haven't played any games with Grush57 unless he's played under another name in the past as part of a hydra or smurf. The meat of my read of him is based on watching him play in Dessert Mini (he was town) since it's one of the first games I started reading after taking a break from Mafia for a few months. (I did not read or follow LIX). Here we see him trying to convince Marv to last-minute vote switch to me. This is the same shit Marv pulled on me back in my game last year (Normal Mini Mafia III) with the assistance of Our Brown Brother Chezinu. I don't feel like Grush was joking about the vote switch either. "I don't like either vote" well why the fuck not, when he voted for 1/4 of the people in the game already and threw it willy-nilly so he really didn't give a shit about his vote to begin with. Contrast with his conviction as town in Dessert (and a great deal more Starsenses or whatever that usually accompanies it) and you have my reason. Seeing more than a sentence or two at a time from him would help me make a bit more sense out of what his angle is as far as playing this particular game. RE: Yamato This is exactly what I was thinking (and as others have said, Zess took a sort of bullying stance in the thread)-- On February 15 2013 16:20 yamato77 wrote: Let me walk you through my thought process on Zess, since that seems to be what people think I'm not explaining. -snip- Perhaps I haven't really explained myself thoroughly up to this point, but when you look at him from my perspective, Zess' play makes no sense for a townie. The fact that he's continued to be spammy and contentless since my early vote on him only serves to steel my resolve. Dude is mafia. I had my mind set on Zess about 15 hours before the lynch. I will however state that I think it far less likely Zess is town based on their interactions and I am no longer interested in lynching him at this point. | ||
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On February 17 2013 16:23 sandroba wrote: Sup. I'm drunk right now. Let's chat. I'll take questions if you have any. Gonna look at what has happened since the day began and give my reaction(s). Just catching up from Syllo's question again since I wanted to address that when I read it. | ||
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On February 17 2013 16:30 sandroba wrote: ObliviousDude, who would you guess is the mafia team at this point? Without a re-read my off the cuff response would be Grush, Coag, and tentatively Hopeless1der | ||
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@Syllo did you find my response adequate? | ||
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Very early Zess "RNG" vote for Risk.Nuke, Hopeless calls it scummy as fuck. Expresses incredulity at Zess' reason. Then lets it drop after this, no explanation given or received: On February 14 2013 22:34 Hopeless1der wrote: If you know what you are talking about (I am still quite skeptical), then why are you unwilling to share with the rest of the class? Just to pull out the critical bit here: "I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification." Hopeless concerned here with Zess not justifying his vote: On February 14 2013 22:58 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't mind risk defending himself by calling himself bad scum because Zess didn't justify anything in either his vote or his followup. I personally read that as an attack against Zess, not a defense. I also disagree that Zess was strictly joking about it, as he still maintains that he kind of has reasons that he wont divulge. Here he jumps to Yamato citing Layabout's summary of how Yamato joins the Zessionar train: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17798191 with two words: "I accept." The next day he... joins the Zessionar train at 03:12 but disembarks at 06:12 since "he's getting a great deal of slack". A pressure vote that lasts for... exactly 3 hours. How overwhelming. Some bullshit with Vivax, whatever. No justification again, just a straight up vote. Ends with sheeping on Yamato. Justification? Well, you guys seem to be the justification, as in you all who pushed for Yamato. Admittedly not the worst possible reason in the world considering you voted for scum. I wonder if this lynch would have gone the same way had Hopeless1der stayed on Zess instead unvoting and voting for Vivax instead. Could the votes have swung differently? I expect a town Hopeless1der should have some kind of justification for his vote, even if he's just quoting specific reasons as stated by other people. He's been forthcoming with his reason for voting Zessionar all game and can't be arsed to say anything at all regarding Yamato or Vivax? All of his evidence picks on Zessionar which makes me believe Hopeless1der's plan was to try to push a Zess mislynch. | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: His filter looks horrendous, he seems to be putting in no effort into the game and he was on pretty much everyone's ass but Yamato's. I wouldn't shed a tear if he got shot this night. Hard to tell between a townie that's putting in no effort or scum trying to look as such though. On February 17 2013 01:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay yeah, Grush scum looked far trollier, didn't ask questions and didn't seem interested in other people's opinions. Even though he's been doing nothing he acts a lot different here. Since he won that game too I have no reason to presume he'd change up his meta from the one scum game he played that he won. Fair enough. Thanks for the correction Marv, I seem to have misread the second quote horribly then. Trying to stay up so you guys don't think I'm just AFKing the entire game but I'm tired as all get-out so this is probably going to be a continuous problem. I started posting this morning as soon as I got home but there wasn't really anyone to talk to. | ||
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On February 17 2013 22:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like your opinion on Coag, Mattchew, Risk.nuke and Layabout. I also don't think Grush is scum after looking into his meta. Not sure why Coag is calling Marv town and buddying him. I don't feel like much of Coag's participation is insightful or useful up to this point. Who's Mattchew? risk.nuke doing a lot of attacking Zess on Yamato's behalf. Could be the emotional context of the Zess situation and the distinct lack of Yamato presence combined. I matched up on the Zess read with him D1 so I don't really hold it against him. I'd be concerned if he continues to push Zess today. Layabout seems to have the same idea as me regarding Hopeless. I give him some town cred for trying to get us shitposters to stop posting so shitty. Shit, he doesn't like Grush either. I like Layabout. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Coag describing his own play] + On October 06 2012 04:51 Coagulation wrote: why the fuck am I on the list? Im sorry but I have done nothing to look scummy at all. Maybe im not the most active player here but that sure as fuck doesnt indicate that im scum in any way. On October 06 2012 06:41 Coagulation wrote: I dont have meta. I play however I feel like playing. + Show Spoiler [Coag post Regarding activity] + On October 08 2012 09:06 Coagulation wrote: oh please. People pushing shit doesnt mean they are fucking town in the slightest. I generally spend more time "contributing" as scum than I do as town just for that stupid misconception alone. Many one-sentence (or less) posts, reacting to various things in the thread. Looks the same here. 15+ pages in a 6-day game. ~15-16 posts/real day average I guess (didn't count exactly), here he's at 41 after 3+ putting him slightly under that benchmark. Quick to call out bullshit and laugh things off until town is in real danger of losing, where rage-mode begins. We're not at that point in this game. He took a strong town lead, followed by floundering to town loss, poorly and lavished them with capslock. Marv was in this game, as was risk.nuke and Mattchew, so they might be better equipped, if they remember the game, to confirm this. I can't say definitively one way or another, but my opinion is his meta matches a previous town game at least up to this point. It probably comes down to judging him solely on who he thinks is scum and the reasons for that. | ||
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On February 18 2013 05:44 sandroba wrote: he's fucking confirmed town =P. Giggity | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:37 WeWinMafia wrote: idk. I thought it was supposed to be a joke because of the phrasing. Perhaps you read to much into my initial post? I focused on Risk, Yamato and Marv so far if that's what you mean. Yes I had a look at the other filters but not in detail and I'm doing it right now. Fun coincidence | ||
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On February 18 2013 17:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: With the effort WBG is putting into the game I feel obligated to at least not stay complacent. I'll put in some decent thought before voting. We could try to go for a flawless victory seeing as we have the means for it. Sandroba, is claiming KPless SK a joke or was it genuine? Yeah I could use an answer to this as well. | ||
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Hopeless or Coag for me. And Coag's just being Coag apparently. Artanis disagreed with my read of Hopeless based on his town meta, but I'm just gonna agree to disagree for right now since he hasn't kept up that action. | ||
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Nothing really either way, except this last post from Syllo kind of made my raise my eyebrows. Hard to judge Matt based on his being AWOL from D1 to at least talking some today. I'll give Matt a read in a little bit. | ||
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On February 18 2013 22:34 marvellosity wrote: this is some of the most terrible meta analysis i've seen Are you saying mine was not the worst ever? | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:39 Mattchew wrote: Fuck sorry... I meant to vote and to be honest I would have voted artanis grush or hopeless. Congrats guys I have to go read why that lynch happened and worked now Doesn't exactly follow but expounds upon his previous post. On February 18 2013 21:48 Mattchew wrote: It means that grush is not his normal troll star senses self... He's being more serious then his town meta normally is to me. No I don't think he is guiding the town but I feel like he has somewhat tried to which I don't believe town grush would do It's possible that Grush is not his normal Starsenses self if he's not a VT. We've had a claim from him, right? Kinda staying a bit under the radar so as not to draw attention from either side too much while still trying to follow his town meta? On February 18 2013 02:50 Mattchew wrote: risk vote switched right alongside marv and art in a time period where it was highly unlikely any of them knew how the others would react. idk why scum would do that This comes before his vote on Marv, so not the craziest vote in the world. | ||
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On February 18 2013 22:55 Zessionar wrote: I have one problem with marvs play if he really should be scum :-/ Risk and marv played (too?) similar at the end of day1. Both voted me for no real reason and switched to yamato... Marv said he misread something by Yamato, didn't he? Could explain why he as town wouldn't want to lynch Yamato. Yamato would have been an easy and convincing bus considering he wasn't even around and scum could have capitalized on that. | ||
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Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check doesn't return anything, but is necessary for your N2 check to work. You can't check yourself. Find and destroy the Rebels." Doesn't tell you mafia/scum so you need at least two checks to know anything at all. | ||
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On February 19 2013 06:45 HiroPro wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15769557 If VE can post a picture of himself eating a hat, I think marv can too. Insert cranial accessory into mouth. Marv, I told you to provide pictures I really wanted to pick! | ||
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On July 05 2012 07:40 marvellosity wrote: PENISES | ||
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No offense intended to Marv who I am sure is well meaning in his attempts to get more activity out of me. I was posting a ton in my other game and Marv probably saw one of the reasons why I was posting a lot in the other thread as it was going on (for reference, I was SK in the concurrent newbie game and explaining away life) in this, but I was once, in a game from the past, one of my newbie games, (verbally) warned for looking at / commenting on posting made outside of a thread by a player who was "lurking" and just wanted to know if it's commonly let go or if I dealt with it properly in here or if there isn't strictly any rule about it. | ||
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I am ready to part with my fear. At the edge of my sight lays the Brown Horizon. I will not fail. I will not falter. I am ready. Brown forever, Forever Brown. | ||
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What exactly did I do here that you all saw. I was just re-reading the thread an noted the peculiarity of the chosen names. | ||
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