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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 20:50 GMT
#641
I'll vote for Toad over super if we can't get a majority on yamato.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 20:53 GMT
#642
Also I get a very bad feeling from marv's posting. There's nothing specific that I can point to but I get the sense that he is willing to push almost any of the wagons. It feels a lot like he just adds fuel to the fire whenever something pops up. The only person who he hasn't really done that with is yamato.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
February 15 2013 20:54 GMT
#643
On February 16 2013 05:53 HiroPro wrote:
Also I get a very bad feeling from marv's posting. There's nothing specific that I can point to but I get the sense that he is willing to push almost any of the wagons. It feels a lot like he just adds fuel to the fire whenever something pops up. The only person who he hasn't really done that with is yamato.


what? i was at hopeless/toad and now I'm at Vivax/toad. what are you talking about?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 15 2013 20:54 GMT
#644
On February 16 2013 04:26 HiroPro wrote:
layabout, what is your opinion on marvellosity?

marvellosity's posts feel like they are coming from a town perspective and he has picked up a number of things that i have. He is not a viable or sensible lynch so it doesn't really matter. I asked why he had given up on Hopeless1der since at the moment Hopeless1der appears to be riding thread momentum and placing his vote accordingly.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
February 15 2013 20:55 GMT
#645
I'm catching up now but I was thinking for all of ours sake I should give you a quick explanation of my situation. Basically this weekend is stressfull for me. On monday I have an exam and this weekend one of my closest friends who's been out of the country for a year is visiting (our home town, not my uni town) so I've been kind of pulled between studying and travelling today. And this will probably affect my pressence over the remaining weekend aswell, meaning up untill monday I will mostly be active in bursts.
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 20:55 GMT
#646
And in between you seemed perfectly willing to push supersoft.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
February 15 2013 20:56 GMT
#647
i was suspicious of supersoft for being suspicious of me, and hopeless brought up a good point. should be pretty clear i'm not up for a supersoft lynch at all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
February 15 2013 20:58 GMT
#648
in fact the only time i've been caught as mafia through analysis, it was because i was suspicious of few people, whereas normally as town i'm suspicious of everyone. so i have no idea what you're smoking actually.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 21:01 GMT
#649
I seem to recall you saying that as mafia, you like to push as many mislynches as you can before you go down.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
February 15 2013 21:02 GMT
#650
yes, which is completely irrelevant. what are you doing, hiro?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 21:02 GMT
#651
Toad where are you? Your play has been very defensive and the yamato switch looked a bit opportunistic. Shouldn't you be here giving us something since right now the decision is likely going to be between you and yamato?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 21:04 GMT
#652
how is that irrelevant? It looks like what you are doing in this game.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
February 15 2013 21:05 GMT
#653
On February 16 2013 06:04 HiroPro wrote:
how is that irrelevant? It looks like what you are doing in this game.


then you're blind and bad. but ok.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 15 2013 21:07 GMT
#654
Don't know about you other fruity pebbles but Zessionar is looking mighty overripe.
##Vote Zessionar

He has expressed interest in having everyone show their seedy innards for all to see, especially where the grapes (with their invaluable vines) are concerned.

Not to terribly sure what kind of fruit salad he was concocting in his shopping list:
On February 15 2013 08:29 Zessionar wrote:
and who is the scummiest player among these:

HiroPro
Hopeless1der
Artanis[Xp]
yamato77
grush57
layabout

Doesn't match up with his following list very well, despite having a list of fruits he potentially wanted to see chopped up (why did grush yamato and layabout drop off?):
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On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote:
2. ObviousOne Filter: 1 page

this game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206&user=263107

old VT day1 game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=263107

he's really only trolling this game. He was playing much more serious in his last game.
either blue or scum. makes no sense as VT -
trolling newbie players that are VT are definetely playing against their wincondition.
He stays in the lynchlist.

4. Mattchew Filter: 1 page

Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too.
"is pretty townie"
i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh.
I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax.

Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific...
He should stay in the lynchlist for now

7. HiroPro Filter: 1 page

"Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was."
This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target...

I'd let him off the hook for today :-/
I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible...

10. Hopeless1der Filter

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On February 14 2013 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...

Zess, how exagerated was this statement? You immediately backed off, but I'd like to hear about where you drew the conclusions that risk was
A) decent as scum
B) Useless and paranoid as town

Either of the two would be acceptable, as I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification.


the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view...
I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing.
don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum...

"I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way."
hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible.
I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb.
Everyone who does a little research knows, that i get shot early as town... but whatever. It's just sad, that many players do no research about their favourite lynchcandidate. I mean a bad case should be a scumtell, because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases.


__________________________________________________


first four players... speedanalysis...


and
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On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote:
Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct:

2. ObviousOne Filter
4. Mattchew Filter
7. HiroPro Filter
10. Hopeless1der Filter
11. Artanis[Xp] Filter
13. yamato77 Filter
14. grush57 Filter
15. layabout Filter

in the next 5 hours, i want everyone to focus on these players. I know it's half of the players in this game.
One of them will be lynched today.

in 5 hours, we will break the list down to 4 of them and in 7 hours i want only 2 of them left and in 8 hours, i want to have one guy with enough votes for a lynch.

that's my plan. Marv, toad I expect you to be helping me there.

The net is wide enough to capture fruits of either disposition and thus vague enough to be used safely.

The lists also don't appear to step on any toes.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
February 15 2013 21:09 GMT
#655
On February 16 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote:
Don't know about you other fruity pebbles but Zessionar is looking mighty overripe.
##Vote Zessionar

He has expressed interest in having everyone show their seedy innards for all to see, especially where the grapes (with their invaluable vines) are concerned.

Not to terribly sure what kind of fruit salad he was concocting in his shopping list:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:29 Zessionar wrote:
and who is the scummiest player among these:

HiroPro
Hopeless1der
Artanis[Xp]
yamato77
grush57
layabout

Doesn't match up with his following list very well, despite having a list of fruits he potentially wanted to see chopped up (why did grush yamato and layabout drop off?):
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote:
2. ObviousOne Filter: 1 page

this game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206&user=263107

old VT day1 game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=263107

he's really only trolling this game. He was playing much more serious in his last game.
either blue or scum. makes no sense as VT -
trolling newbie players that are VT are definetely playing against their wincondition.
He stays in the lynchlist.

4. Mattchew Filter: 1 page

Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too.
"is pretty townie"
i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh.
I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax.

Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific...
He should stay in the lynchlist for now

7. HiroPro Filter: 1 page

"Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was."
This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target...

I'd let him off the hook for today :-/
I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible...

10. Hopeless1der Filter

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...

Zess, how exagerated was this statement? You immediately backed off, but I'd like to hear about where you drew the conclusions that risk was
A) decent as scum
B) Useless and paranoid as town

Either of the two would be acceptable, as I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification.


the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view...
I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing.
don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum...

"I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way."
hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible.
I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb.
Everyone who does a little research knows, that i get shot early as town... but whatever. It's just sad, that many players do no research about their favourite lynchcandidate. I mean a bad case should be a scumtell, because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases.


__________________________________________________


first four players... speedanalysis...


and
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote:
Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct:

2. ObviousOne Filter
4. Mattchew Filter
7. HiroPro Filter
10. Hopeless1der Filter
11. Artanis[Xp] Filter
13. yamato77 Filter
14. grush57 Filter
15. layabout Filter

in the next 5 hours, i want everyone to focus on these players. I know it's half of the players in this game.
One of them will be lynched today.

in 5 hours, we will break the list down to 4 of them and in 7 hours i want only 2 of them left and in 8 hours, i want to have one guy with enough votes for a lynch.

that's my plan. Marv, toad I expect you to be helping me there.

The net is wide enough to capture fruits of either disposition and thus vague enough to be used safely.

The lists also don't appear to step on any toes.


we're not lynching zessionar today. are you actually going to play the game this evening?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 21:11 GMT
#656
ObviousOne drop your obnoxious gimmick, it's just making your posts annoying to read and possibly harder to get a read of as well. Are you open to voting Yamato or Toad? Your vote may be needed as it's an extended majority lynch and we aren't no lynching.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 15 2013 21:12 GMT
#657
okay so considering the German knocks "useless posting" out the window, and with the snarky response I've gotten for my case, the aggression is back strong as ever. I still have an issue with the way zessionar has gone about trying to reason out his lynch target, but since he's getting a great deal of slack, I'll look into other candidates.
##Unvote: Zessionar
WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 15 2013 21:14 GMT
#658
On February 16 2013 06:02 syllogism wrote:
Toad where are you? Your play has been very defensive and the yamato switch looked a bit opportunistic. Shouldn't you be here giving us something since right now the decision is likely going to be between you and yamato?

how is it opportunistic?

I've said everything there is and I think Yamato is the only reasonable lynch for today. I already said why the stuff Artanis said about me is bullshit, other people (either you or Marv?) mentioned it as well and that nothing he said is alignment indicative.
Sandro hasn't said a thing about why he considers me suspicious until very recently and it boils down to some weird confirmation bias ("yes what syllo says may be correct but I think it's looking townish because he wants to look townish"...) and him saying I should be agressive towards him when he should know himself that the last time I pushed him d1 I was town myself and ended calling a mislynch on him while calling him stupid.
There's just nothing to say about that kind of stuff.

Again, Yamato is the only reasonable lynch for today imo, you basicly agreed as well and unless you consider Supersoft to be mafia and Yamato to be town there's just no reason to even consider me right now. Sandro agrees as well, saying "Yamato doesn't look to ho" or something like that when 4 people votes Supersoft while only 3 were on Yamato and I kept telling people (like you) to stick to Yamato because the case on Supersoft was retarded. That just doesn't make sense unless you think I'm defending a scumbuddy Supersoft.

About your "why is noone voting Toad" point: Mafias don't usually vote me. I'm getting traction every time I'm town and there's always people pushing me like a bunch of retards (remember Vivax?). Mafias usually end up saying I'm town to ride the towncred train after it's proven that I'm town. At least it was that way the last 3 times I played as town.

So to sum it up: I'm watching TL vs EG right now. Not much to say that hasn't already been said. There's no reason to repeat myself, now is there?
I win mafia!
Zessionar
Profile Joined February 2013
Azerbaijan178 Posts
February 15 2013 21:16 GMT
#659
On February 16 2013 05:56 marvellosity wrote:
i was suspicious of supersoft for being suspicious of me, and hopeless brought up a good point. should be pretty clear i'm not up for a supersoft lynch at all.


you started to suspect me based on hopeless shit.
after that i knew you're scum
i still think you're scum
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 15 2013 21:17 GMT
#660
am i missing something or does the "case" on toad come down to this?

i know artanis made a post but i personally found it unconvincing and it wasn't the cause of the votes.
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