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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 20:16 GMT
#621
On February 16 2013 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Syllo, sandroba, why did you never elaborate on toad after I asked you to?

I don't see it on your filter, what in particular do you want elaborated?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 20:18 GMT
#622
On February 16 2013 05:12 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 05:08 sandroba wrote:
I still think toad is scum. Maybe I'm biased but I don't see that supersoft defense as townie at all. I think it looks pretty forced and he took it as an opportunity to try to look townie. I'ma keep my vote on him and see how the thread develops, since I can't really prove he is scum and yam doesn't look so hot himself.

It's a bit weird how Toad never got more than one vote despite us both being suspicious of him at various points.


How can you say "it's a bit weird" when this was the extent of your suspicions of Toad?

On February 16 2013 00:15 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 00:10 sandroba wrote:
Alright I'll settle on lynching toad then. Does anyone have any compeling reason to believe the dude is town?

His conversations with marvel seem somewhat genuine, in that if marvel is mafia, toad is slightly less likely to be. I'm up for lynching him though, due to what I said earlier and him posting quite a bit without the content being in any way useful.


On February 16 2013 04:10 syllogism wrote:
Toad is looking a bit better due to his supersoft interactions, which seems to leave yamato as the realistic and acceptable lynch. I don't think I'm willing to lynch supersoft today. He could be mafia, but he seems to be more aggressive than he was as mafia in LVIII and he is likely going to be more active and useful than yamato, who isn't even here.



[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
February 15 2013 20:20 GMT
#623
On February 16 2013 02:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't think 3 and 4 are opposed to eachother at all. In 3, you expand a lot on something that is trivial at best, yet in 4 you accuse someone of scum without providing any backing for it. Your posts about trivial things are big, yet your one accusatory post is unreasoned. Do you understand my problem with where you spend your energy?

It'd be great if said players could confirm that. Can't go through the filter of those games right now myself. However, I wasn't the only one suspicious of you. It'd be nice if people like sandro spoke up and said what they thought.

Tell me how my exchange with toad influenced your reads and why. Also, why did you think he was scum in the first place? Please give me something more than 'a general feel'.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
February 15 2013 20:22 GMT
#624
Also in 10 min the band I'm at starts so no clue when I'll be able to reply again, hopefully before the deadline.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 20:23 GMT
#625
On February 16 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 05:12 syllogism wrote:
On February 16 2013 05:08 sandroba wrote:
I still think toad is scum. Maybe I'm biased but I don't see that supersoft defense as townie at all. I think it looks pretty forced and he took it as an opportunity to try to look townie. I'ma keep my vote on him and see how the thread develops, since I can't really prove he is scum and yam doesn't look so hot himself.

It's a bit weird how Toad never got more than one vote despite us both being suspicious of him at various points.


How can you say "it's a bit weird" when this was the extent of your suspicions of Toad?

Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 00:15 syllogism wrote:
On February 16 2013 00:10 sandroba wrote:
Alright I'll settle on lynching toad then. Does anyone have any compeling reason to believe the dude is town?

His conversations with marvel seem somewhat genuine, in that if marvel is mafia, toad is slightly less likely to be. I'm up for lynching him though, due to what I said earlier and him posting quite a bit without the content being in any way useful.


Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 04:10 syllogism wrote:
Toad is looking a bit better due to his supersoft interactions, which seems to leave yamato as the realistic and acceptable lynch. I don't think I'm willing to lynch supersoft today. He could be mafia, but he seems to be more aggressive than he was as mafia in LVIII and he is likely going to be more active and useful than yamato, who isn't even here.




That's not the extent of my suspicions

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17793213
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794483

My point is mostly that if one of the people we are pushing right now is mafia, I would have expected mafia at some point make an attempt at getting Toad lynched. It's much easier and safer to push a lynch that has the support of players people often listen to. Perhaps they opted to wagon someone else.

marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 20:24 GMT
#626
On February 16 2013 05:23 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 05:12 syllogism wrote:
On February 16 2013 05:08 sandroba wrote:
I still think toad is scum. Maybe I'm biased but I don't see that supersoft defense as townie at all. I think it looks pretty forced and he took it as an opportunity to try to look townie. I'ma keep my vote on him and see how the thread develops, since I can't really prove he is scum and yam doesn't look so hot himself.

It's a bit weird how Toad never got more than one vote despite us both being suspicious of him at various points.


How can you say "it's a bit weird" when this was the extent of your suspicions of Toad?

On February 16 2013 00:15 syllogism wrote:
On February 16 2013 00:10 sandroba wrote:
Alright I'll settle on lynching toad then. Does anyone have any compeling reason to believe the dude is town?

His conversations with marvel seem somewhat genuine, in that if marvel is mafia, toad is slightly less likely to be. I'm up for lynching him though, due to what I said earlier and him posting quite a bit without the content being in any way useful.


On February 16 2013 04:10 syllogism wrote:
Toad is looking a bit better due to his supersoft interactions, which seems to leave yamato as the realistic and acceptable lynch. I don't think I'm willing to lynch supersoft today. He could be mafia, but he seems to be more aggressive than he was as mafia in LVIII and he is likely going to be more active and useful than yamato, who isn't even here.




That's not the extent of my suspicions

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17793213
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794483

My point is mostly that if one of the people we are pushing right now is mafia, I would have expected mafia at some point make an attempt at getting Toad lynched. It's much easier and safer to push a lynch that has the support of players people often listen to. Perhaps they opted to wagon someone else.



Does this not suggest that Toad could be mafia, then?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 20:24 GMT
#627
sandroba seems to disagree with you on his supersoft stuff. thoughts on that too?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Zessionar
Profile Joined February 2013
Azerbaijan178 Posts
February 15 2013 20:26 GMT
#628
what supersoft stuff
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 20:28 GMT
#629
On February 16 2013 05:26 Zessionar wrote:
what supersoft stuff


On February 16 2013 04:10 syllogism wrote:
Toad is looking a bit better due to his supersoft interactions, which seems to leave yamato as the realistic and acceptable lynch. I don't think I'm willing to lynch supersoft today. He could be mafia, but he seems to be more aggressive than he was as mafia in LVIII and he is likely going to be more active and useful than yamato, who isn't even here.


On February 16 2013 05:08 sandroba wrote:
I still think toad is scum. Maybe I'm biased but I don't see that supersoft defense as townie at all. I think it looks pretty forced and he took it as an opportunity to try to look townie. I'ma keep my vote on him and see how the thread develops, since I can't really prove he is scum and yam doesn't look so hot himself.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
February 15 2013 20:28 GMT
#630
I don't particularly find anything wrong with most of what he said in your analysis post, it's the overall mentality and lack of engagement that really doesn't feel like he is trying his best to find the correct lynch or produce relevant info, just keeping aparences with his posts. Also it seemed really weird that he never engaged me nor questioned me at any point to find out why I was suspicious of him in the first place. I would expect him as town to be either confrontational or explanatory towards me when I say he is scum without much to back it.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 20:30 GMT
#631
Anyway. No-one wants to lynch Vivax even though he's mafia. sandroba knows Toad very well, I get the strongest town-feelings from sand out of all the players I respect, so I'm in with him.

##Unvote
##Vote: WeWinMafia
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 20:30 GMT
#632
On February 16 2013 05:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 02:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't think 3 and 4 are opposed to eachother at all. In 3, you expand a lot on something that is trivial at best, yet in 4 you accuse someone of scum without providing any backing for it. Your posts about trivial things are big, yet your one accusatory post is unreasoned. Do you understand my problem with where you spend your energy?

It'd be great if said players could confirm that. Can't go through the filter of those games right now myself. However, I wasn't the only one suspicious of you. It'd be nice if people like sandro spoke up and said what they thought.

Tell me how my exchange with toad influenced your reads and why. Also, why did you think he was scum in the first place? Please give me something more than 'a general feel'.

I didn't agree with your points about him, because Toad tends to post a lot of fluff in general and the other points are not things I use as a heuristic. His responses were fairly reasonable I guess, but since I didn't agree with your heuristics in the first place they didn't influence my read. The exchange made you look townier, but I never considered you a good lynch anyway.
Zessionar
Profile Joined February 2013
Azerbaijan178 Posts
February 15 2013 20:30 GMT
#633
ah yes okay. marv please quit playing like a moderator and have own opinions.
whats your opinion on the supersoft stuff :-o
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 20:31:24
February 15 2013 20:30 GMT
#634
On February 16 2013 05:14 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 04:06 Keirathi wrote:
WeWinMafia (1) - Artanis[XP]



Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 16 players alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch. Deadline is in roughly 4 hours.

If you notice any errors in the vote count, please let me know!

This is wrong, Sandro voted WeWinMafia

Oops, missed his vote. Sorry! Here's an updated one.

V-v-v-v-v-vote Count!

Zessionar (4) - Artanis[XP], Hopeless1der, yamato77, Vivax, Hopeless1der, grush57
yamato77 (4) - Zessionar, Vivax, HiroPro, layabout, Hopeless1der, WeWinMafia, syllogism
WeWinMafia (3) - Artanis[XP], sandroba, marvellosity
HiroPro (1) - Coagulation, marvellosity
Vivax (0) - marvellosity
Coagulation (0) - grush57
Mattchew (0) - Vivax
risk.nuke (0) - Zessionar
layabout (0) - ObviousOne, grush57
ObviousOne (0) - Artanis[XP]
Hopeless1der (0) - marvellosity
marvellosity (0) - WeWinMafia, Zessionar

Not Voting: ObviousOne, Coagulation, Mattchew, Zessionar, risk.nuke

Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 16 players alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch. Deadline is in roughly 2.5 hours.

If you notice any errors in the vote count, please let me know!
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
February 15 2013 20:31 GMT
#635
That was a response to artanis.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 20:31 GMT
#636
On February 16 2013 05:30 Zessionar wrote:
ah yes okay. marv please quit playing like a moderator and have own opinions.
whats your opinion on the supersoft stuff :-o


i have my own opinions. i'm not playing for your pleasure. in fact my own opinion is that vivax is the best lynch, I even directly responded to you about Vivax and asked you to respond to it repeatedly, but you failed to.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#637
On February 16 2013 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 05:23 syllogism wrote:
On February 16 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 05:12 syllogism wrote:
On February 16 2013 05:08 sandroba wrote:
I still think toad is scum. Maybe I'm biased but I don't see that supersoft defense as townie at all. I think it looks pretty forced and he took it as an opportunity to try to look townie. I'ma keep my vote on him and see how the thread develops, since I can't really prove he is scum and yam doesn't look so hot himself.

It's a bit weird how Toad never got more than one vote despite us both being suspicious of him at various points.


How can you say "it's a bit weird" when this was the extent of your suspicions of Toad?

On February 16 2013 00:15 syllogism wrote:
On February 16 2013 00:10 sandroba wrote:
Alright I'll settle on lynching toad then. Does anyone have any compeling reason to believe the dude is town?

His conversations with marvel seem somewhat genuine, in that if marvel is mafia, toad is slightly less likely to be. I'm up for lynching him though, due to what I said earlier and him posting quite a bit without the content being in any way useful.


On February 16 2013 04:10 syllogism wrote:
Toad is looking a bit better due to his supersoft interactions, which seems to leave yamato as the realistic and acceptable lynch. I don't think I'm willing to lynch supersoft today. He could be mafia, but he seems to be more aggressive than he was as mafia in LVIII and he is likely going to be more active and useful than yamato, who isn't even here.




That's not the extent of my suspicions

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17793213
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794483

My point is mostly that if one of the people we are pushing right now is mafia, I would have expected mafia at some point make an attempt at getting Toad lynched. It's much easier and safer to push a lynch that has the support of players people often listen to. Perhaps they opted to wagon someone else.



Does this not suggest that Toad could be mafia, then?

Yes, that was the point. Anyway, it's an extended majority lynch and perhaps I assigned too much significance on his supersoft interactions, so I will likely be willing to move my vote to Toad if necessary, depending on how things develop.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#638
syllo, you're awfully cagey and in the middle today.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
February 15 2013 20:39 GMT
#639
How about the nonvoters take some stance? I'd like to know how people will be voting before I go out, which is going to happen soon.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
February 15 2013 20:41 GMT
#640
I seem to have missed all the discussion, can't be helped you guys started doing stuff the second I leave.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
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