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I read Vivax. Then I found myself in the Hopeless filter. Something there took me into the Grush filter and it's almost easier to list who he didn't vote for. Marv had a shot to join Grush in a vote against me earlier on, and declined. I wasn't really being discussed, in fact I think I was being ignored because nobody understood me. Grush voted Zess three separate times (lol). This is telling me that Marv knows a shit case when he sees it. Marv thinks I'm mafia, and I guess the only real reasons he have given are: I wasn't readable. I wasn't matching one of my town activity metas. After this flip he can now add: voted for the other guy Please tell me how this is not a shit case. | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ObviousOne, do you still feel Zess is scum? Coagulation, do you have anything to add to the discussion? Any explanation why grush or risk.nuke are scum, presuming that wasn't a horrible joke? Feels a lot less likely given how long / how many times Yamato voted for Zess. I need to read Vivax again with a fresh perspective as well as hear more from Coag | ||
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On February 17 2013 06:38 syllogism wrote: Have you played any games with grush or is this just based on casual reading of other games of his? Can you link me to the game you used as reference for your conclusion? Do you really expect to get a better read on him when he makes his next "case"? Answer my question about Yamato. Why did you think he was town? RE: Grush I haven't played any games with Grush57 unless he's played under another name in the past as part of a hydra or smurf. The meat of my read of him is based on watching him play in Dessert Mini (he was town) since it's one of the first games I started reading after taking a break from Mafia for a few months. (I did not read or follow LIX). Here we see him trying to convince Marv to last-minute vote switch to me. This is the same shit Marv pulled on me back in my game last year (Normal Mini Mafia III) with the assistance of Our Brown Brother Chezinu. I don't feel like Grush was joking about the vote switch either. "I don't like either vote" well why the fuck not, when he voted for 1/4 of the people in the game already and threw it willy-nilly so he really didn't give a shit about his vote to begin with. Contrast with his conviction as town in Dessert (and a great deal more Starsenses or whatever that usually accompanies it) and you have my reason. Seeing more than a sentence or two at a time from him would help me make a bit more sense out of what his angle is as far as playing this particular game. RE: Yamato This is exactly what I was thinking (and as others have said, Zess took a sort of bullying stance in the thread)-- On February 15 2013 16:20 yamato77 wrote: Let me walk you through my thought process on Zess, since that seems to be what people think I'm not explaining. -snip- Perhaps I haven't really explained myself thoroughly up to this point, but when you look at him from my perspective, Zess' play makes no sense for a townie. The fact that he's continued to be spammy and contentless since my early vote on him only serves to steel my resolve. Dude is mafia. I had my mind set on Zess about 15 hours before the lynch. I will however state that I think it far less likely Zess is town based on their interactions and I am no longer interested in lynching him at this point. | ||
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On February 17 2013 16:23 sandroba wrote: Sup. I'm drunk right now. Let's chat. I'll take questions if you have any. Gonna look at what has happened since the day began and give my reaction(s). Just catching up from Syllo's question again since I wanted to address that when I read it. | ||
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On February 17 2013 16:30 sandroba wrote: ObliviousDude, who would you guess is the mafia team at this point? Without a re-read my off the cuff response would be Grush, Coag, and tentatively Hopeless1der | ||
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@Syllo did you find my response adequate? | ||
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Very early Zess "RNG" vote for Risk.Nuke, Hopeless calls it scummy as fuck. Expresses incredulity at Zess' reason. Then lets it drop after this, no explanation given or received: On February 14 2013 22:34 Hopeless1der wrote: If you know what you are talking about (I am still quite skeptical), then why are you unwilling to share with the rest of the class? Just to pull out the critical bit here: "I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification." Hopeless concerned here with Zess not justifying his vote: On February 14 2013 22:58 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't mind risk defending himself by calling himself bad scum because Zess didn't justify anything in either his vote or his followup. I personally read that as an attack against Zess, not a defense. I also disagree that Zess was strictly joking about it, as he still maintains that he kind of has reasons that he wont divulge. Here he jumps to Yamato citing Layabout's summary of how Yamato joins the Zessionar train: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17798191 with two words: "I accept." The next day he... joins the Zessionar train at 03:12 but disembarks at 06:12 since "he's getting a great deal of slack". A pressure vote that lasts for... exactly 3 hours. How overwhelming. Some bullshit with Vivax, whatever. No justification again, just a straight up vote. Ends with sheeping on Yamato. Justification? Well, you guys seem to be the justification, as in you all who pushed for Yamato. Admittedly not the worst possible reason in the world considering you voted for scum. I wonder if this lynch would have gone the same way had Hopeless1der stayed on Zess instead unvoting and voting for Vivax instead. Could the votes have swung differently? I expect a town Hopeless1der should have some kind of justification for his vote, even if he's just quoting specific reasons as stated by other people. He's been forthcoming with his reason for voting Zessionar all game and can't be arsed to say anything at all regarding Yamato or Vivax? All of his evidence picks on Zessionar which makes me believe Hopeless1der's plan was to try to push a Zess mislynch. | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: His filter looks horrendous, he seems to be putting in no effort into the game and he was on pretty much everyone's ass but Yamato's. I wouldn't shed a tear if he got shot this night. Hard to tell between a townie that's putting in no effort or scum trying to look as such though. On February 17 2013 01:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay yeah, Grush scum looked far trollier, didn't ask questions and didn't seem interested in other people's opinions. Even though he's been doing nothing he acts a lot different here. Since he won that game too I have no reason to presume he'd change up his meta from the one scum game he played that he won. Fair enough. Thanks for the correction Marv, I seem to have misread the second quote horribly then. Trying to stay up so you guys don't think I'm just AFKing the entire game but I'm tired as all get-out so this is probably going to be a continuous problem. I started posting this morning as soon as I got home but there wasn't really anyone to talk to. | ||
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On February 17 2013 22:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like your opinion on Coag, Mattchew, Risk.nuke and Layabout. I also don't think Grush is scum after looking into his meta. Not sure why Coag is calling Marv town and buddying him. I don't feel like much of Coag's participation is insightful or useful up to this point. Who's Mattchew? risk.nuke doing a lot of attacking Zess on Yamato's behalf. Could be the emotional context of the Zess situation and the distinct lack of Yamato presence combined. I matched up on the Zess read with him D1 so I don't really hold it against him. I'd be concerned if he continues to push Zess today. Layabout seems to have the same idea as me regarding Hopeless. I give him some town cred for trying to get us shitposters to stop posting so shitty. Shit, he doesn't like Grush either. I like Layabout. | ||
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