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I played NMM XXXV to get back on track after a long mafia hiatus (got killed D1). I would be willing to replace as well, tho. | ||
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I'll be back in about 10 hours or so. | ||
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 Okay I just caught up with the thread and I'm really happy we threw that RNG thing out of the window (I guess). I'll be making a longer post with some statistical data to prove my point, but I would very much like to put constant pressure on lurkers. Concerning warbaby, I'd like to wait for his response to Corazon to maybe understand his intentions. | ||
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On February 11 2013 20:52 Mocsta wrote: Mandalor. I know u want revenge for me. But spending time trying to kick a guy when he is on the floor. I.e. prove something is dead when it is indeed dead.... reads to me as trying to contribute without contributing. Since u talking about lurkers. Can i assume ur in luv with geript? Honestly, I'd prefer to not have to talk to you all game. 50% of all posts in this game are from you, again. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish with that. Before warbaby made this stupid martyring post, I wasn't sure what you all were onto. As far as I read his posts, the only sentence that felt scummy was I'd like to post basically the same thing I did at the beginning of NMM 36. Now, the martyring certainly changed things for me. I don't understand why a former MVP would get so aggressive and condescending this early in the game. Now, compare WB's posts so far with his last post before getting lynched in NMM XXXVI: Yeah, if I get lynched I won't hold it against you. It's just a game --- Concerning geript: I don't quite understand. I don't think geript is lurking, is he? Then again, all he contributed so far was general strategic thoughts. No reads on people, yet. | ||
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On February 11 2013 21:22 warbaby wrote: I try to repeat my playstyle in the next game That is precisely why people are onto you, especially since you openly said it. As scum, you would try to copy your town meta, and you even mentioning that looks a lot like a scumslip. Honestly, if you can't cope with getting attacked in a mafia game, this game really isn't for you. | ||
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Here's a rundown of previous games: + Show Spoiler + NMM 36: slayalot (heavy lurker), glurio (not a heavy lurker, but relatively small filter) NMM 35: laguerta (heavy lurker) - replaced by an active JSL, Mocsta (active), bringaniga (troll, lurker) - replaced by Spaghetticus (active) NMM 34: TeMiL (lurker), Sylencia (active) NMM 33: Kickstart (lurker), FatChunk (active), Corazon (active) tbh I thought the scum teams were a little more lurker-heavy, but you can still see a pattern here: There hasn't been a scum team in the last 4 games that didn't feature at least one lurker. Town lurkers don't help us and have no excuse to not post. If we attack them, we might trigger them to contribute. Scum lurkers, on the other hand, are either afraid of slipping up or just try to actively not help the town by doing nothing but vote. Therefore, these players need to post ASAP: * 9-BiT * Sevryn * Macheji I hate lynching active players Day 1 and I feel like it's the reason Day 1 lynches are mislynches so often. We've seen it oh so many times that town cripples itself by mislynching active townies when scum lurkers get away so easily. At this point in time I would place my vote on one of these guys. Well, might as well do it ##Vote: 9-BiT | ||
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On February 12 2013 00:38 zarepath wrote: Sixth post, weird defensiveness against others addressing him: "Don't look too much into it." "Don't worry, don't read what I say, you'll know that I'm town soon enough, don't even bother thinking about me as mafia." What kind of townie says "don't analyze me in any way, please!"? Also, kind of overemphatic about his town-alignment claim here. I feel like this is the most interesting part of the case. "Don't look much into it". What is that? Townies should be comfortable with others analysing them. In fact, the more townies do that, the less scum will be able to sway them. I don't like his overly town attitude ("my town" etc.) and the fact that (apart from a few weak attacks on Mocsta), he didn't analyse anybody yet. ##FoS: WaveOfShadow | ||
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On February 12 2013 08:24 Sn0_Man wrote: Mandalor, after a quick review of the filter, is another low content, sheeptacular poster. "GOTTA PRESSURE LURKERS" -> safe vote on basically nobody (9-bit). Then a fairly safe sheepy FoS with a very weak "addition" to the case on him. Actually, I think mandalor's voting/posting was quite a bit townier the game we mislynched him day 1... @mandalor you can feel free to invalidate this post. Even a "nuh-uh" post would at least indicate that you are around My vote on 9-Bit is not a "safe vote". It's a pressure vote. We have more than 24 hours to go - most people change their vote tons of times during such a long time period. Honestly, I'm having trouble making good cases right now. I looked at glurio, but he was already mentioned. Sylencia is kind of in the same boat. I would LOVE to make a case on Mocsta, but while he always feels scummy to me, I just can't put a finger on it (and I was wrong about him in two of his past games where he was an all new category - "annoying town"). That's gonna have to be it for now. I'm off to bed - hopefully you guys give me some stuff to analyse tomorrow. | ||
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That being said, I took a look at Sylencia. On February 11 2013 18:41 Sylencia wrote: I got up to here on the bus, and spent a bit of time working out the reasoning behind this blue claim so early on: If he's scum, a way to extend his life through the chance he is telling the truth. Problem is the plan is spoiled when he doesn't die on night 1 - since he would be a prime candidate for a kill. If he's actually blue, dumb move unless he plans to Vig shot someone on night 1 and hoping for a 1:1 trade? Alternatively if he's a vet aiming to prolong the life of the town - but even then that's a questionable move. Being the SK with bulletproof wouldn't help too much since he will still end up suffering the same fate as the Vig of being shot over 2 nights. Helps town more than scum. VT taking a bullet for the team is also a possibility here, but I don't understand why such a seed needs to be planted to early on. Basically, I'm leaning towards either scum or vig on warbaby. All warbaby did in terms of claiming a role was saying that he's town (unless I missed something). I have absolutely no idea how Sylencia came to the conclusion that he is either scum or vig. At least I don't see any reference to that in the post he quoted. And more importantly: Why would he think about that? And even more mindboggling: Why would he post that? To me this looks like scum trying to figure out the blues. Then again, would Sylencia really be that stupid? idk If he is right, he did a hell of a good job for mafia in case warbaby is not scum. | ||
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In fact, warbaby only said that sentence after he was kinda asked for a specific role by Corazon. There's nothing else to say to that other than "I won't claim my actual role right now" if you don't want to. It's not Syl's suspicion of warbaby that feels weird to me, but his thorough analysis of warbaby's actual role that doesn't feel right. There's absolutely zero contribution in that post for town, only for scum. | ||
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blue talk is just not a good thing to be focusing on day1 another reason why sylencia's behavior so far is weird, especially since I have him in mind as a competent player. Since I'll be here for another 30 minutes I might as well do that analysis. Sadly, I fell for it as well. Reaction to zarepath's experiment of a fake case on WoS in order of posts: warbaby: FoS, no reasons given cDgCorazon: Likes part of the case, but it's not enough for him to vote WoS. Also critisizes parts of zare's analysis. Mocsta: Likes the case somewhat, wants to wait for WoS' defense Sevryn: Likes the case, feels like zare missed something warbaby: FoS, doesn't really comment on the case despite being asked about it and votes a lurker. Unvotes and FoSes (or sth) WoS Mandalor: FoS, likes the analysis of WoS' 6th post. Well, dammit :D Sn0_Man: Likes the case, but is not willing to vote an active player unless we get a really solid case. Really doesn't like WoS' defense. WaveOfShadow: Likes the case (funny enough), votes Macheji geript: Votes WoS (the only one to do so), feels WoS didn't contribute at all and his voting does not align with his reads If anyone feels like I'm being unfair in the assessment, let me know. It's really just tl;dr versions of your posts as I read them. | ||
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On February 13 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Regarding Mandalor, voting a lurker with more than a day left to lynch is a safe vote, not a pressure vote. Its a "well now that my vote is down I can go back to hiding and only change it if I need to" kind of vote. Admitting that it is a "pressure vote" also defeats the purpose (as Sylencia has pointed out). Town care about their votes, as votes are (generally) the only power they have. Scum want their votes to give away as little information as possible, to cheapen the very concept of a vote. It should be decently clear which of those two things random "pressure votes" are. Including some of the ones you have thrown around too. If you didn't feel like my vote is a "safe vote" and attacked me for it, I would've never said that its purpose is to pressure lurkers. If you have a problem with the vote itself, fine. But when you ask me about or attack me because of it, I'm gonna have to give an honest response. Pressure voting is totally fine and a decent power, but here it is you who defeated its purpose. ##unvote | ||
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On February 13 2013 02:50 glurio wrote: Well i feel like you are really tunneling me. Nothing i'll do will please you. If i post less, i'm scum, if i get more active i changed my meta, still scum. What do you want from me? Right now i try to ask questions in mandalors direction. If he simply doesn't answer and does not give me anything to work with i really can't make a case on him right now. Go ahead and ask me questions. You asked me about the WoS case when I wasn't here. And I suppose you don't want me to elaborate on that anymore now. Then you asked me about Mocsta. I've already said that I get a scummy vibe from him in any game he plays. Last game we played together it became painfully obvious when he quoted a bs post and said that changed his mind to swing the vote in favor of mislynching me. Obv I couldn't tell anybody since I was dead. I just hope that either a) Mocsta is town or b) Mocsta fucks up again and I'm alive and able to notice and point it out. | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:07 cDgCorazon wrote: Pressure voting someone who clearly is not playing the game is a waste of your vote and an excuse to slink into the shadows, as Sn0 said. Why are you trying to pressure someone who is obviously not going to respond? It's a waste of time. People will make their first post without being pushed. Trying to push someone to make their first post is simply wasteful. That vote was very early in the game. I thought it might trigger a post out of an anxious player. It's odd how people felt that was an okay thing to do at the time and 24 hours later I'm getting tons of flak for this. Where were you guys yesterday? | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Why cave so quickly when under such weak pressure? To me this looks like you found a quick out to change your vote to a 'better' target later on in the day. waitwaitwait I'm getting attacked for a pressure vote that's not pressuring and when I remove it (it's not working as intended obv) it's a quick out? Please take a step back and think about whether keeping the vote or removing it would be the smarter thing to do. | ||
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His response so far hasn't changed anything for me concerning his odd behavior with warbaby. WB never soft-claimed anything - yet Syl gives us this odd post saying he's most likely vig or scum. That is the opposite of helpful for town. I can't think of a use for this information at this point in the game. Elimination surely can't be it when we don't know any role yet. That combined with his uncharacteristic (I think? at least have that in my mind) lurking (yeah yeah I know, but I have posted more here than I did in any game yet) makes him my top scum read for now. If nothing big comes up that will be my vote for tonight (will probably have to vote in 4 or 5 hours and call it a day). | ||
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I could have sworn the OP said deadline would be 2 hours earlier when I signed up, but now I won't be able to be here at deadline.at least some of the days. It's not news to me to be suspected early (or the entire game really), but I hoooope that this time I'm not gonna die in my sleep, again. My reasons for the vote in short: *lurking *no reads at all (except his read on warbaby being scum/vig) *useless (imo, apparently others can find a reason I suppose) bantering about possible roles Other than Syl, warbaby started to look a little weird to me. Maybe it's just him suspecting me a little, but: After I wrote some stuff on Sylencia, he comes up with a short "case" on Syl and later calls my opinion on Syl "not exactly breaking news". Funny, considering Syl has been his only read for a loooong time now and he was very late to the party. But I'm unsure about WB (and apparently I completely missed the soft claim so many seem to see) and I'd rather go for an uncharacteristically quiet player for now. ##Vote: Sylencia | ||
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I still think my vote for Sylencia made sense. I knew I couldn't get you on board since I wasn't here for deadline and was/am under scrutiny anyway, but I was against voting anyone other than my top scumread. It would really help if town votes a little earlier and doesn't wait till the last minute. That gives people time to explain themselves and us to consolidate. Lastly, I would like to adress zarepath's analysis of me. On February 14 2013 04:10 zarepath wrote: Zarepath's Reads by Zarepath Mandalor + Show Spoiler + Mandalor's filter looks very scummy. Every other post is a list, the main thrust of his case on Sylencia has to do with blue talk, and the case for his final vote is not compelling at all. He just drops a random vote and checks out, doesn't even wish town luck. (To be fair, I did something similar because of time and RL constraints.) People's reactions to my vote on Mandalor were that they had town reads on him, but I'd like to ask you all what specifically makes him look town to you, because I don't see much. Reads SCUM I invite anyone to look at my filter and then look at this sentence. I made one list that I was asked for. If anything, zarepath's filter is a ton more list-heavy than mine. Make of that what you want. | ||
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On February 14 2013 05:40 cDgCorazon wrote: @Mandalor: Could you please justify your vote being with someone you were suspicious of. Please and thank you. I'm not making connections before a flip. Despite my suspicion, WB might be anything. Also, as I said, he voted early and had two more hours to change his vote while I was asleep. And he did. | ||
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I can't see how Sn0's reaction was any different from the others, including mine. Yet, for some reason, he excludes him from the "scummy" reactions. NOONE was super eager to go after him except warbaby maybe. I still think post 6 was weird and I only really commented on that. | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:44 zarepath wrote: What other things about my play do you see as illogical? I've already commented on how you see my filter as list-heavy when there's a single list-post. You either tunnel me really hard or you follow a certain agenda. | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:42 zarepath wrote: It's not as scummy because he doesn't want him lynched today. Scum would hope for a mislynch. It's not like he's super critical of the case, but it's not as eager as the other people. yeah but where's the difference to all the other reactions except warbaby's. Noone jumped on your case and said "LET'S LYNCH HIM". | ||
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I don't know what to say really. I know I've been inactive for real reasons but I actually had time to read the thread for some time now. Other than voting for OO which is the only option to do now, I have nothing to say. There hasn't been any real insight in the last post in my eyes. His whole buddying up with me ("Mandalor has the tools blabla") sounds more like scum to me than SK, but either way it's a good choice. Honestly, I don't know what to say at this point. Please ask me questions. I'll be here for another hour and I'll be back in another 11. | ||
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##Vote: ObviousOne | ||
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I'll be explaining myself tomorrow. I am now the IT security branch at my company when we were four guys last month. Also my girlfriend of 4 years kinda broke up with me. I have tons of stuff to do and this game, sadly, has to be at the bottom of my agenda. | ||
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On February 20 2013 03:06 zarepath wrote: My new policy lynch is to policy lynch Mocsta. I said that pregame, should've listened I'm sorry I gave you all such a poor game. What I said in the thread was true and I asked Acro for a replacement actually (he couldn't get one). gg anyway, and wp by my scum buddies. | ||
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