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On February 20 2013 05:27 Mocsta wrote:
Gg guys.
Can understand the pain. Hurts when u think one of your own has been actively hindering your thought processes all game. :;
But yes the SK slip was bad in the con text that I knew he wasn't scum...but it was genuinely based on TS being solely focused on SK/vig
Just remember I actively lead town to each lynch.. It was by no means an easy win, I don't think if sno/zare delurked over the weekend I would have been high for suspicion and I still had war baby I could push.
You guys had it a lot easier than you could have though. So much lurk.
Also I was convinced Sev was scum and was going to tunnel the shit out of him until I could get enough to prove it 100%, but then SK took care of me for you guys.
In any case I think I have some of how the game (and maybe player meta) works now so I'm going to try signing up for any game that'll take me.
I'm HOOKED, gentlemen.
Edit: Also, just remembered something. What was the deal with the Sylencia RB?
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On February 20 2013 05:26 Promethelax wrote:I think you'll find that Mocsta is in fact very loud. Which is different than being very good at mafia. The way to tell his town play from his scum play is simply his goal. When he is town he tries to make things go right and works with others he thinks are town. As scum he goes just a little more insane.
Insane in the membrane
Insane in the brain
Agree on town tell for sure. Dunno what the scum one infers but will take it anyway hajha
I will say I find scum much more enjoyable to play
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On February 20 2013 05:30 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh, one more thing:
Scum, why'd you kill Geript N1?
Its all in scum at
In case lazy.
I thought he was sleeper analyst like acid when I was last scum
Took him out before he got momentum
During day1 he was the only person I felt i had to proof read posts before sending.. So full credit to him
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On February 11 2013 10:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
Fine then Mocsta, why should we let RNG decide who should be lynched? Why can't we put enough faith in our own abilities to find scum?
Only scum would still be ok with this policy because they are not forced to scumhunt, only jump on the RNG idea and hope that they don't get selected (which is a low chance mathematically).
This isn't my first time playing this game. I know that there are going to be a few people lurking D1, and I have faith that at least one of the will be scum. It would be a lot more prudent to try those odds instead of RNG-ing it.
I do believe pushing for RNG is being "Mayor-like". It's pushing for a move that affects the whole town.
You guys can do all of the RNG-shenanagans that you want, but don't expect me to go on board with them...
On February 13 2013 10:22 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm gonna take a few hours and go "actively lurking". I'm still incensed that Warbaby did not get lynched. If his mistakes had come out later in D1, I'm hoping he would have been lynched.
I've played a bunch of games of Mafia, and I still have yet to get a scum D1. I was hoping that the town would be up for doing something different, but I guess old habits never die. I'm not too happy I had to choose between two people who were basically playing the same game and not getting the support I needed behind my vote for my top scum read. Oh well, always D2 I guess.
I'll be back well before the end of N1, and plan to post a will and all of that fun stuff. Cheers.
On February 15 2013 15:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
[@Mocsta]Perhaps you have keyed into things a bit more than others? Your experience at mafia might have helped you with that...
All alluding to experience in Mafia...like I'm not a newbie anymore (a veteran).
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On February 20 2013 05:27 Mocsta wrote:
But yes the SK slip was bad in the con text that I knew he wasn't scum...but it was genuinely based on TS being solely focused on SK/vig
I read that post about 5 times trying to decide whether the "Mr SK" part was pre-knowledge or just mocsta being in-your-face and confident even when he's wrong. Decided the latter... Whoops.
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On February 20 2013 05:27 Mocsta wrote:
Gg guys.
Can understand the pain. Hurts when u think one of your own has been actively hindering your thought processes all game. :;
But yes the SK slip was bad in the con text that I knew he wasn't scum...but it was genuinely based on TS being solely focused on SK/vig
Just remember I actively lead town to each lynch.. It was by no means an easy win, I don't think if sno/zare delurked over the weekend I would have been high for suspicion and I still had war baby I could push.
QFT.
Scum deserved this win regardless of how difficult you perceive the game to have been for them. If you doubt it go take a look at the QT. Observe the amount of effort that was put into the game outside of this thread, and contrast it to the collective effort of town. It was by no means a landslide victory, and scum were being actively pursued most of the game. Skillful manipulation of town sentiment was the key determining factor in this game, starting with the SK debacle.
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On February 20 2013 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:27 Mocsta wrote:
Gg guys.
Can understand the pain. Hurts when u think one of your own has been actively hindering your thought processes all game. :;
But yes the SK slip was bad in the con text that I knew he wasn't scum...but it was genuinely based on TS being solely focused on SK/vig
Just remember I actively lead town to each lynch.. It was by no means an easy win, I don't think if sno/zare delurked over the weekend I would have been high for suspicion and I still had war baby I could push. You guys had it a lot easier than you could have though. So much lurk. Also I was convinced Sev was scum and was going to tunnel the shit out of him until I could get enough to prove it 100%, but then SK took care of me for you guys. In any case I think I have some of how the game (and maybe player meta) works now so I'm going to try signing up for any game that'll take me. I'm HOOKED, gentlemen. Edit: Also, just remembered something. What was the deal with the Sylencia RB?
Disagree completely.
Sevryn and at stages mandalor were on the block MASSIVELY at many stages especially due to lurking.
Town was all over them.
Sylencia didn't fall my accident. Town voted him based on defends... But the only reason he had to make a defends was primarily due to my pressure
SK was hunting scum n1 and could a taken out anyone. Agree on before he basically became a vig.
Just remember its easy to sit in at and say u have insurmountable evidence. That doesn't mean u can campaign a vote.
I did not play a perfect game by any means. And yes. The overall lurking worked in my favour.
But u guys gotta be honest with yourselves with this one. On day3 u had 2 out of 3 scum on the block and in my opinion there were many reasons to call sylencia town.
I didn't force everyone to vote sylencia....
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On February 20 2013 05:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 20 2013 05:27 Mocsta wrote:
Gg guys.
Can understand the pain. Hurts when u think one of your own has been actively hindering your thought processes all game. :;
But yes the SK slip was bad in the con text that I knew he wasn't scum...but it was genuinely based on TS being solely focused on SK/vig
Just remember I actively lead town to each lynch.. It was by no means an easy win, I don't think if sno/zare delurked over the weekend I would have been high for suspicion and I still had war baby I could push. You guys had it a lot easier than you could have though. So much lurk. Also I was convinced Sev was scum and was going to tunnel the shit out of him until I could get enough to prove it 100%, but then SK took care of me for you guys. In any case I think I have some of how the game (and maybe player meta) works now so I'm going to try signing up for any game that'll take me. I'm HOOKED, gentlemen. Edit: Also, just remembered something. What was the deal with the Sylencia RB? Disagree completely. Sevryn and at stages mandalor were on the block MASSIVELY at many stages especially due to lurking. Town was all over them. Sylencia didn't fall my accident. Town voted him based on defends... But the only reason he had to make a defends was primarily due to my pressure SK was hunting scum n1 and could a taken out anyone. Agree on before he basically became a vig. Just remember its easy to sit in at and say u have insurmountable evidence. That doesn't mean u can campaign a vote. I did not play a perfect game by any means. And yes. The overall lurking worked in my favour. But u guys gotta be honest with yourselves with this one. On day3 u had 2 out of 3 scum on the block and in my opinion there were many reasons to call sylencia town. I didn't force everyone to vote sylencia....
I wasn't around on D2, never mind D3. I saw the voting AND conversation being swayed away from Sevryn constantly. Can't say the same about Mandalor but whatever. In any case, all of this is hindsight, Mocsta, so don't look too much into it. Either way I will say this much: you played extremely well and I do not look forward to having to play against you at any point in the future.
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P.s. sevryn was due to be lynched day1
Until I setup glurio.
U were there WoS.
The major thing in this game is (mainly for war baby) is
Priorities are:
Establish innocence
2. Scum hunt
3. Be pro town
Many of my contributions were 3. Aligned and its really easy to fake.. I don't believe I made a case the whole game. (Other than writing sevryns lol)great pick up their Sn0
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Yah, not to detract from your play Mocsta because it was good and involved a lot of effort but the game was super easy for you guys. Like, day 1 lynch is 3-2-1-1-1-1-1? Yeah... town had basically lost at that point. I'm aware you were sowing seeds of distrust but half decent town doesn't vote like that rofl.
Day 2 you didn't exactly "guide" us to the OO lynch. It was the only reasonable lynch because we still couldn't prove he wasn't scum. Admittedly we probably had a better chance of winning if we left OO alive but I don't see how any newbie town ever actually lets him live. Personally, I lynched him on the grounds that we can't win if it isn't a 2-scum setup so I might as well do what benefits us most if it was a 2-scum setup.
Day 3 was a joke. I would happily have lynched every non-me player there. Admittedly you artfully dodged the early Sevryn momentum, but once again this is a gift to you from awful town. Even if we lynch Sevryn I don't think there are any particular ties to him that save us from future mislynches. Its not like you didn't have a plethora of easy mislynch targets floating around.
AKA you played well, and you put a ton of effort in, and good for you, but you a) got lucky with the vet-status SK being outed so early and b) probably couldn't lose to our town anyway
PS: I still don't see the balance behind 9-3-1 setups >_>
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On February 20 2013 05:53 Sn0_Man wrote:Yah, not to detract from your play Mocsta because it was good and involved a lot of effort but the game was super easy for you guys. Like, day 1 lynch is 3-2-1-1-1-1-1? Yeah... town had basically lost at that point. I'm aware you were sowing seeds of distrust but half decent town doesn't vote like that rofl. Day 2 you didn't exactly "guide" us to the OO lynch. It was the only reasonable lynch because we still couldn't prove he wasn't scum. Admittedly we probably had a better chance of winning if we left OO alive but I don't see how any newbie town ever actually lets him live. Personally, I lynched him on the grounds that we can't win if it isn't a 2-scum setup so I might as well do what benefits us most if it was a 2-scum setup. Day 3 was a joke. I would happily have lynched every non-me player there. Admittedly you artfully dodged the early Sevryn momentum, but once again this is a gift to you from awful town. Even if we lynch Sevryn I don't think there are any particular ties to him that save us from future mislynches. Its not like you didn't have a plethora of easy mislynch targets floating around. AKA you played well, and you put a ton of effort in, and good for you, but you a) got lucky with the vet-status SK being outed so early and b) probably couldn't lose to our town anyway PS: I still don't see the balance behind 9-3-1 setups >_>
Yeah that basically sums up how I feel about this failure of a town.
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On February 20 2013 05:48 Mocsta wrote:
P.s. sevryn was due to be lynched day1
Until I setup glurio.
U were there WoS.
The major thing in this game is (mainly for war baby) is
Priorities are:
Establish innocence
2. Scum hunt
3. Be pro town
Many of my contributions were 3. Aligned and its really easy to fake.. I don't believe I made a case the whole game. (Other than writing sevryns lol)great pick up their Sn0
Glurio set himself up; his play was scummy as hell, but yes, you're right, my biggest mistake was pussing out Day 1 and not changing my vote to Sevryn earlier.
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Heheh
Well newbies games are for sweingnwhat works what doesn't
Hopefully this explains why policy lurker lynch sucks
Its just a medium for enabling discussion but shouldn't replace scum hunting
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On February 20 2013 05:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:48 Mocsta wrote:
P.s. sevryn was due to be lynched day1
Until I setup glurio.
U were there WoS.
The major thing in this game is (mainly for war baby) is
Priorities are:
Establish innocence
2. Scum hunt
3. Be pro town
Many of my contributions were 3. Aligned and its really easy to fake.. I don't believe I made a case the whole game. (Other than writing sevryns lol)great pick up their Sn0 Glurio set himself up; his play was scummy as hell, but yes, you're right, my biggest mistake was pussing out Day 1 and not changing my vote to Sevryn earlier.
U need to read the thread again... It was scum who initiated glurio
He actually did alright and was confident enough to push his own reads whether right or wrong.
He did not set himself up at all... If u read scum qt it will be clear lol
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On February 20 2013 05:48 Mocsta wrote:
P.s. sevryn was due to be lynched day1
Until I setup glurio.
A) Syl was gonna be lynched for quite a while. Either way most of town was rushing to throw their vote as far away from relevance as possible so I honestly don't see the skill here. Victory yes, but not exactly a play of the year or anything.
On February 20 2013 05:48 Mocsta wrote:
Priorities are:
Establish innocence
2. Scum hunt
3. Be pro town
Many of my contributions were 3. Aligned and its really easy to fake.. I don't believe I made a case the whole game.
This was another big difference from the other game I played with you as scum that made me hesitate to bring any kind of case against you. Last time you were throwing out cases everywhere Obviously my mistake but still. WP.
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Policy lynches are wonderful, they enforce the way townies must play and therefore how scum have to play. I love lynch all lurkers (which is different than LAL which is for liars).
I don't like how the sk balances in minis but it does balance, you actually gain more by leaving him alive for a while. He needs to hit scum after three townies are dead. His only hope of winning after being found out is a kingmaker scenario.
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On February 20 2013 05:59 Mocsta wrote:
Heheh
Well newbies games are for sweingnwhat works what doesn't
Hopefully this explains why policy lurker lynch sucks
Its just a medium for enabling discussion but shouldn't replace scum hunting
I disagree. If we had stayed on track with it (and consolidated our votes instead of being idiots) we had something like a 1/3 chances of picking scum. It just sucked because half of the game lurked D1, and then different people lurked throughout the rest.
I see nothing wrong with a policy lurker lynch; this game just goes to further prove that scum will ALWAYS have lurkers.
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On February 20 2013 05:59 Mocsta wrote:
Hopefully this explains why policy lurker lynch sucks
Its just a medium for enabling discussion but shouldn't replace scum hunting
How do we get Mandalor/Sevryn if they just lurk? we *have* to lynch lurkers because, once again, 2/3 scum resided there. The issue is that so many lazy town live there as well that it becomes pretty hard to win. I mean, my day 1 vote ON SCUM was a "policy lurker lynch" vote but it was reasoned and aimed at the player I most thought was scum. Dunno what you want town to do, forget about all the lurkers and tear the active players apart? Thats how we almost lost last NMM. Lurker lynch is extremely justifiable, you just have to choose the right lurker.
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On February 20 2013 06:06 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:59 Mocsta wrote:
Hopefully this explains why policy lurker lynch sucks
Its just a medium for enabling discussion but shouldn't replace scum hunting How do we get Mandalor/Sevryn if they just lurk? we *have* to lynch lurkers because, once again, 2/3 scum resided there. The issue is that so many lazy town live there as well that it becomes pretty hard to win. I mean, my day 1 vote ON SCUM was a "policy lurker lynch" vote but it was reasoned and aimed at the player I most thought was scum. Dunno what you want town to do, forget about all the lurkers and tear the active players apart? Thats how we almost lost last NMM. Lurker lynch is extremely justifiable, you just have to choose the right lurker.
Don't listen to him.
Policy lynches are the best invention since dayvigs.
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Exactly if you choose the right lurker
In my opinion u are scum hunting
Grabbing three guys and RNG them is lynch kurker policy to me and is stupid.
P.s. RNG sucks majorly. That was just me trolling at start. Sorry.
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