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On February 11 2013 10:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
In other news, RNG lynch is still retarded and thankfully everybody with a brain has said no to it. I'd prefer if we avoided discussing it further.
This is precisely the type of retarded arguments Im talking about reducing. What.. because you say it is retarded, it is now case closed.
Is this how you plan to build cases Sn0_Man, if so, why is there any value for town keeping you here?
Im suggesting an open forum of communication; which appears at first read, 180 degrees from your suggestion.
Mocsta: I certainly hope you can bring yourself to post differently from last newb game you were in. You are not off on the right foot. Side-note: Misspelling and attempts to impress with words that you don't actually understand don't earn brownie points, although I'll have to admit they are hardly scumtells. + Show Spoiler [bad english] +On February 11 2013 10:02 Mocsta wrote:
How do you plan to build a case on scum, if you can't even succintly manifest your thoughts on RNG.
Lets see
succintly: "with concise and precise brevity; to the point; "Please state your case as succinctly as possible"; "he wrote compactly.."
manifest: "Display or show (a quality or feeling) by one's acts or appearance; demonstrate: "manifest signs of depression""
I dont see any problems with my English above. I am not sure if English is your first language, so I will not treat this as an attempt by scum to mock me publicly.
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On February 11 2013 10:18 cDgCorazon wrote:
And calling me scum is a really stupid thing to say 30 minutes into a game. I'm assuming you are going to give me reasons why I am scum based off of my 4 posts?
Its just banter, you know how it goes.
I do think your behaviour last game was the antithesis of pro-town.
If you did it two games in a row, I would consider it scummy motives.
For now yes its just banter.
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On February 11 2013 10:21 Mocsta wrote:
I dont see any problems with my English above. I am not sure if English is your first language, so I will not treat this as an attempt by scum to mock me publicly.
Try not to be so offensive Mocsta... "succinctly" is not a word in the English language.
And South Africa was colonized by the British for a long time so I'm pretty sure English is his first language...
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My point was thus: should everyone else adhere to RNG, 4 votes represents a voting majority in most cases. This it is better to ignore RNG as the benefits it has/may have (dependent on viewpoint) are negated by an outside majority. /done with talking about RNG.
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On February 11 2013 10:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
I do believe pushing for RNG is being "Mayor-like". It's pushing for a move that affects the whole town.
Noted. I didn't think of it like that. I was excited by the concept. But you are right; it is being like mayor.
Look, the idea is out there, if people ask me questions I will respond about it; otherwise, will stop actively pursuing it. Hopefully someone else cares enough to carry the torch.
Fine then Mocsta, why should we let RNG decide who should be lynched? Why can't we put enough faith in our own abilities to find scum?
I love having confidence in my scum hunting abilities. The track record speaks for itself. (not good)
I am not sure if anyone here has a track record of successfully nailing scum without mislynches.
There is nothing wrong with confidence, but please note the Krueger effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
RNG is an easy to implement deterrent to this.
Only scum would still be ok with this policy because they are not forced to scumhunt, only jump on the RNG idea and hope that they don't get selected (which is a low chance mathematically).
Are you calling me scum?
May I remind you:
On February 11 2013 10:18 cDgCorazon wrote:
And calling me scum is a really stupid thing to say 30 minutes into a game. I'm assuming you are going to give me reasons why I am scum based off of my 4 posts?
Fact is, if a guy comes into the came with no posts 50% through Day1, and suggests RNG yeah I think its suspicious.
But ask yourself this, have I not been transparent with my intentions?
Ask yourself this; if I was scum and received the backlash I got pre-game, do you honestly think I would continue this pursuit.
This isn't my first time playing this game. I know that there are going to be a few people lurking D1, and I have faith that at least one of the will be scum. It would be a lot more prudent to try those odds instead of RNG-ing it.
Im not against this at all. Scum hunting doesnt have to be one-dimensional. Town can use multiple methods of attack to provoke scum into giving themselves up.
Lighting fires under lurkers, is but one method of attack.
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On February 11 2013 10:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:21 Mocsta wrote:
I dont see any problems with my English above. I am not sure if English is your first language, so I will not treat this as an attempt by scum to mock me publicly. Try not to be so offensive Mocsta... "succinctly" is not a word in the English language. And South Africa was colonized by the British for a long time so I'm pretty sure English is his first language...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/succinctly
succintly is an adverb
seriously does this actually need to be discussed.. its Off-Topic as far as I am concerned, and surprised it is even an issue.
its the internet, and people type short-hand all the time.
That you are choosing to continue this discussion is odd; this is the last I have to say on the matter.
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On February 11 2013 10:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:21 Mocsta wrote:
I dont see any problems with my English above. I am not sure if English is your first language, so I will not treat this as an attempt by scum to mock me publicly. Try not to be so offensive Mocsta... "succinctly" is not a word in the English language. And South Africa was colonized by the British for a long time so I'm pretty sure English is his first language...
Most white South-Africans speak Afrikaans as their first language not english. I'm Canadian and not ESL.
Mocsta's modus operandi is to be as offensive as possible. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell this is always scum-motivated (although from what I read of NMM 34 he posted the same way as town).
Succinctly is english, succintly isn't. Amusingly, I appear to be the only person who can differentiate between the two.
"Manifest", when used in its verb form, is not synonymous with "type", "say", or any other more accurate word you should have used.
Irrelevant discussion of english aside, @Mocsta: being as openly aggresive as you are is NOT helping town. You don't need to establish your dominance every time you post. If you continue to purposefully inflame the emotions of others in ALL your arguments I will see that as scum motivated.
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I have no interest in reading more from Mocsta tonight. I await contributions from the as-yet silent members of our game.
Cya tomorrow guys.
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Thank you for enhancing my vocabulary.... I only brought it up because I thought you were being rude (and after the last NMM I've had enough of that).
Anyways, I guess a good thing going for you is that no one else has "jumped on the RNG wagon". In reality, it's a stupid idea for the reasons I've stated above and if it was presented at any other time besides the early D1, it would basically be a distraction to the town.
Of course, many people have not posted yet, so I guess everyone will give their general input on RNG soon.
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On February 11 2013 10:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
Irrelevant discussion of english aside, @Mocsta: being as openly aggresive as you are is NOT helping town. You don't need to establish your dominance every time you post. If you continue to purposefully inflame the emotions of others in ALL your arguments I will see that as scum motivated.
I agree with this 100%. You were giving us all of this stuff pre-game about how you weren't gonna be town mayor, yet you are starting to create a hostile environment and trying to direct the discussion and the town action right off the get-go. Which Mocsta are you going to give us this game? The one you promised in pre-game or the one that you have shown in every game of NMM you have played? (Is there any other side of you to begin with?)
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Whatever Sn0_Man, get off your high horse as if you did not comprehend the intention behind the phrase.
As for openly aggressive, I find this ironic when you idea of a debate is saying "thats retarded, no".
As I said before, if that is how you intend to scum hunt; why are you of value to town?
The point of this game is to take a logical approach; removed of fallacy. What you are promoting is shifting away from that.
Perhaps I am taking it personal, which you are reading as dominating; but as I have said, I dont have a problem if you/anyone are/is against RNG. However at least have the courtesy to outline a genuine reason that clearly indicates you have put thought into it.
Instead, what you have done is immediately rubbish my idea (with no merit), and then belittle me (on inconsequential technicalities; of course I am going to stand up for myself.
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On February 11 2013 10:40 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
Irrelevant discussion of english aside, @Mocsta: being as openly aggresive as you are is NOT helping town. You don't need to establish your dominance every time you post. If you continue to purposefully inflame the emotions of others in ALL your arguments I will see that as scum motivated.
I agree with this 100%. You were giving us all of this stuff pre-game about how you weren't gonna be town mayor, yet you are starting to create a hostile environment and trying to direct the discussion and the town action right off the get-go. Which Mocsta are you going to give us this game? The one you promised in pre-game or the one that you have shown in every game of NMM you have played? (Is there any other side of you to begin with?)
Dude I already said above I recognise what you were saying with RNG/mayor, and stepping away from it
Also, as I said in my last post to Sn0_Man (maybe written after you wrote this)
I am not going to let a guy come in here, and just rubbish my idea by stating its retarded.
That is not how to play the game, and is certainly not conducive to a friendly environment.
I believe I am advocating an open discussion; then look at what he is advocating.
Just because you have the same opinion, does not make his approach beneficial to town.
So yes, I agree my tone is sharp; but its hard to not be, when I receive responses like this. It is completely one-way.
e.g.
lets say you have a scum read on him. are you telling me, its acceptable for him to dismiss your case by saying 'no, thats retarded".
Knowing your play corazon, I expect you to think this is indeed not good enough.
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The post you quoted was directed toward your aggressive posts along with what I had said already.
In my opinion there's not much to say on why RNG is bad. It's just a really bad course to go. We don't need a million different reasons as to why it is bad.
Let me ask you Moc, if Sn0 had made reasons that were similar to mine as to why we shouldn't do RNG (or quoted my posts and said he agreed), how would you have reacted?
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Its hard to say; I dont actually have a problem if you or Sn0_Man or anyone else do not want RNG. [Just dont call it retarded as a reason for no]
But I did have a problem with him flaming me due to grammar.
If he did not understand the sentence, due to the incorrect usage of verbs whatever, than ask for clarification. I dont believe he asked for clarificaiton, which logically means it was an attempt to publicly mock me - why else bring attention to this. And I do not see how that really offers any benefit to Day 1 discussions.
So based on the "cheap-shot" flaming, would have probably carried a similar sentiment.
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On February 11 2013 11:08 Mocsta wrote:
Its hard to say; I dont actually have a problem if you or Sn0_Man or anyone else do not want RNG. [Just dont call it retarded as a reason for no]
But I did have a problem with him flaming me due to grammar.
If he did not understand the sentence, due to the incorrect usage of verbs whatever, than ask for clarification. I dont believe he asked for clarificaiton, which logically means it was an attempt to publicly mock me - why else bring attention to this. And I do not see how that really offers any benefit to Day 1 discussions.
So based on the "cheap-shot" flaming, would have probably carried a similar sentiment.
As far as I'm concerned, early game banter based on taking offense to others cheap shots or picking apart grammar is useless and should just be ignored.
I'm fairly sure at this point enough people have declined the RNG vote so the topic should be dropped by everyone.
Can the scumhunting begin now?
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Lead the way WaveofShadow
##Unvote
Might need more people online first though.
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Alright, I will begin so that people don't assume I'm just waiting for others to start so that I can dip back into the shadows.
We don't have a lot to go on as there are still people in the thread who haven't even posted since the start of D1 (more than half, so no point listing them yet) so I'm going to be ballsy and let Mocsta know that I have my eye on him for filter burying. That being said it's really because it's way too early to have a solid scumread at this point, so unless more people come out of the woodwork (and we can get a soild read on them) I will be voting to lurker lynch D1.
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Filter burying?
Please clarify
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On February 11 2013 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
Filter burying?
Please clarify
You talk a lot, and it's not always useful.
Clarified.
Going to go eat and study. Will check on the thread every so often but I'm not expecting much activity for a while.
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Wave of Shadow, as another starting point.
Warbaby raised some questions for discussion. I already answered them,b ut you are more than welcome to have a go, might stimulate further points.
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