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On February 11 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
/confirm
I thought we had to wait until 20:00 but I guess since others are posting...
I'm completely against RNG lynch I'd much rather to lurker if possible if we need a Day 1 strategy.
Mocsta I saw in a game you were recently in (i'm kinda busy to check right now) someone suggested RNG lynch and everyone immediately dumped all over him for scum. Why should this game be any different?
Excellent question
no talking about current games sorry
so I will take a hypothetical situation 
we in a game, and halfway through Day 1, someone randomly says lets RNG, and hey lets nominate guy #10
Conveniently this guy, doesnt include himself in the RNG count either... its just weird overall.
What I am proposing is nothing like that
#1 - I am more than willing to be lynched if selected by RNG
#2 - If RNG'd I will do scum hunt the best I can, to leave town in as good a situation as I can
#3 - I been talking about RNG pre-game so its not suspicious (like the last game) my motive for this is clear and transparant.
If you want me to produce a revised case for RNG, i shall oblige
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@Warbaby, did Mr. Bimble tell you to post that?
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Seriously can we drop the RNG shit? It's stupid to even think about it. Why play mafia if we are going to sit around and let RNG play the game instead of us?
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Mocsta: four people one way or another have responded in the negatory to RNG vote. That in the least is enough to negate the usefulness of RNG vote. Please cease your discussion of RNG as it is more likely to be a waste of time (both posting and rereading) at this point.
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On February 11 2013 09:43 warbaby wrote:/confirm I'd like to post basically the same thing I did at the beginning of NMM 36. Hopefully these simple points will help create a constructive town atmosphere. - Please do not lurk. People are busy and may have limited availability, but we should all expect a basic level of contribution from each other. Lynching lurkers (when appropriate) is fine by me.
- Post succinctly. Try to be up to date on what's going on in the thread before you post, and try to consolidate your posts.
- Don't be a jerk for no reason; try not to use personal insults and inflammatory language. Avoid OMGUS if possible.
I failed on the last 2 points in NMM 36, so I'm going to try to improve in that regard. I also will be more busy with work than I was during NMM 36, so I may not be posting as often (I'll try to make up for this by making higher quality posts). GLHF everyone  P.S. Voting me for being terrible is clearly a great strategy. Waka waka!
Thats fuckn scummy as clone.
You want to post the same thing as another game when you were TOWN.
I did the same thing when I was scum you know.. you really are copying me arent you.
##Unvote
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you know geript, you really were onto something here
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On February 11 2013 09:51 geript wrote:
Mocsta: four people one way or another have responded in the negatory to RNG vote. That in the least is enough to negate the usefulness of RNG vote. Please cease your discussion of RNG as it is more likely to be a waste of time (both posting and rereading) at this point.
Did not realise 4 people represented a majority in this game.
Why dont you give others a chance to post their own thoughts instead of trying to forcefully influence them before they have spoken.
Are you trying for a dictatorship here or something?
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Hey guys,
don't want to lynch with RNG, it seems to me stupid as hell.
My take on policy lurker lynch is the same as always: scumread -> scummy lurker -> lurker.
With that i'm going to bed now.
Good night.
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On February 11 2013 09:43 warbaby wrote:- Please do not lurk. People are busy and may have limited availability, but we should all expect a basic level of contribution from each other. Lynching lurkers (when appropriate) is fine by me.
- Post succinctly. Try to be up to date on what's going on in the thread before you post, and try to consolidate your posts.
- Don't be a jerk for no reason; try not to use personal insults and inflammatory language. Avoid OMGUS if possible.
Agreed, no lurky lurk.
When appropriate is very loose wording, setting you up to change your agenda as you see fit.
My thoughts are: Im going to lynch my best scum read. If scum reads are ambiguous and cases are grasping at straws, I will RNG out of the pool of lurkers (no pun on RNG intended,m ore so how do you chose between 3 or 4 ppl with 1 post)
Post consolidation definitely important. No need to hear every thought. But this is no excuse for lurking either.
Will try my best. But do I really have to tolerate idiotic play. But yes. OMGUS is terrible and often scum motivation.
Theres a difference between OMGUS and making a well-reasoned counter-case.
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@Cora can we please keep the tone constructive. Turning people directly towards an emotional response is worthless right now.
@Mcosta please reread my post. I did not say it was a majority at all, just that it was enough to negate any perceived value of RNG.
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On February 11 2013 09:58 geript wrote:
@Cora can we please keep the tone constructive. Turning people directly towards an emotional response is worthless right now.
Please don't make that an issue unless it's a real problem.
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On February 11 2013 09:58 geript wrote:
@Mcosta please reread my post. I did not say it was a majority at all, just that it was enough to negate any perceived value of RNG.
Dont be coy.
It was clear what you were subtley inferring.
If you dont like the RNG fine. Believe it or not, I dont have a problem with that.
But what I would like is a rational, well-reasoned answer to why not.
Thus far, the only people that have done that, are guys pre-game NOT EVEN IN THE GAME.
How do you plan to build a case on scum, if you can't even succintly manifest your thoughts on RNG.
No one is attacking the arguments for RNG. They are saying.. yucky I dont like that.
Is this the level of gameplay we are to expect in this newbie? If so, that is precisely WHY RNG is required.
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On February 11 2013 10:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 09:58 geript wrote:
@Cora can we please keep the tone constructive. Turning people directly towards an emotional response is worthless right now.
Please don't make that an issue unless it's a real problem.
Actually considering your last game, I think he is right to point this out.
It was very off-putting to say the least. Your on watch.
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On February 11 2013 09:53 glurio wrote:
My take on policy lurker lynch is the same as always: scumread -> scummy lurker -> lurker.
Glurio posted this last game and I still agree with this rubric.
Also whatever guys, if you want to vote me for posting good ideas for town that you agree with, go ahead. That's why I got mislynched in '36 and now it's up for nomination as the worst lynch in 2013. I suppose you want to top '36 by mislynching me D1? :D
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On February 07 2013 07:02 Mocsta wrote:
Caveat. Don't expect me to be the most active player this game. As one of the more experienced newbies I'm not going to try and be a town leader. Need to give others more of a chance. That doesn't mean won't be active, just I'm not going to mayor.
I'm hoping you're still going to adhere to this Moc.
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On February 11 2013 09:50 cDgCorazon wrote:
Seriously can we drop the RNG shit? It's stupid to even think about it. Why play mafia if we are going to sit around and let RNG play the game instead of us?
Seconded. If we were going to do RNG we had negotiate it pre-game (to avoid scums manipulating it). We failed. There's no way I can agree to RNG now.
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On February 11 2013 10:03 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:02 Mocsta wrote:
Caveat. Don't expect me to be the most active player this game. As one of the more experienced newbies I'm not going to try and be a town leader. Need to give others more of a chance. That doesn't mean won't be active, just I'm not going to mayor. I'm hoping you're still going to adhere to this Moc.
Why is that?
Are you scared im gonna find all the scum Corazon, including you?
Any-who; did you see me leading questions everywhere? No. I stand by not trying to be the string puller this game. Other people need a chance to shine. Im just here to give them a hard time
Btw, i dont think me pushign for RNG has anythign to do with trying to mayor. Its a concept I believed in prior to this game starting, and so far, no one has quashed that belief by proper debate.
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On February 11 2013 10:05 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 09:50 cDgCorazon wrote:
Seriously can we drop the RNG shit? It's stupid to even think about it. Why play mafia if we are going to sit around and let RNG play the game instead of us? Seconded. If we were going to do RNG we had negotiate it pre-game (to avoid scums manipulating it). We failed. There's no way I can agree to RNG now.
I can accept that as a valid argument.
If I was to contest it would be that, all points were raised in entirety pre-game. (i.e. cause / implementation / outcome / maintaining discussions)
That people did no comment then, and choose to now; is certainly not indicative of being scum. It is indicative of being interested in current matters to town. I would consider that alignment null, but at least its helping to differentiate actives from lurkers.
Thats a pro in itself.
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Hey the party started without me 
Oh well. I blame host starting 1/2 hour early.
In other news, RNG lynch is still retarded and thankfully everybody with a brain has said no to it. I'd prefer if we avoided discussing it further.
Looking forward to hearing introductory posts from everybody.
Mocsta: I certainly hope you can bring yourself to post differently from last newb game you were in. You are not off on the right foot. Side-note: Misspelling and attempts to impress with words that you don't actually understand don't earn brownie points, although I'll have to admit they are hardly scumtells. + Show Spoiler [bad english] +On February 11 2013 10:02 Mocsta wrote:
How do you plan to build a case on scum, if you can't even succintly manifest your thoughts on RNG.
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Fine then Mocsta, why should we let RNG decide who should be lynched? Why can't we put enough faith in our own abilities to find scum?
Only scum would still be ok with this policy because they are not forced to scumhunt, only jump on the RNG idea and hope that they don't get selected (which is a low chance mathematically).
This isn't my first time playing this game. I know that there are going to be a few people lurking D1, and I have faith that at least one of the will be scum. It would be a lot more prudent to try those odds instead of RNG-ing it.
I do believe pushing for RNG is being "Mayor-like". It's pushing for a move that affects the whole town.
You guys can do all of the RNG-shenanagans that you want, but don't expect me to go on board with them...
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And calling me scum is a really stupid thing to say 30 minutes into a game. I'm assuming you are going to give me reasons why I am scum based off of my 4 posts?
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