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On February 10 2013 16:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 16:08 Aquanim wrote:On February 10 2013 16:04 Mocsta wrote:Thanks for chipping in Aquanim. Guess you forgot about your Day1 mislynch campaign on Spaghetticus already. Its OK, everyone can name 13 people in the obs qt to hit scum Day 1  I didn't say you hit scum day 1 every time. Besides, the other wagon was on Corazon, who was scum. In XXXI I wanted to lynch Kick day 1, and he was scum (Kick is always scum in my games, go figure.) But my actual point is... the reactions of everyone to that case on Spaghetticus told me FAR, FAR more than a random lynch would have. You know if someone else wrote this RNG stuff, I am not so certain you would bother saying your 2cents. Regardless, Anyone can say they had a scum read on Day1 in the firing line. This game isnt about shoulda, woulda, coulda. Its about who has the majority when the timer runs out. Suffice to say, your track record is looking relevant to coming in here and playing the expert card.
Oh right. So we're going there. Y'know, maybe the reason I wouldn't have replied to anyone else saying this is no-one else would say this.
I am stating, RNG gives us statistically a better chance to have town in even-stead with scum Day2.
That has not been refuted by any arguments thus far.
You act as if RNG means, discussion in town is over; in fact it is not.
Discussion continues, one guy is voted; and the hunt continues for more scum.
Stop pretending as if this action stops all other criteria for good town play. It most certainly does not.
The first is perhaps kinda true (in terms of player numbers) but irrelevant. I would point out that in the one game where scum were lynched day one recently scum went on to win; in a fair few of the games where town was lynched day one (and day two for that matter) town went on to win with the information they gained from the mislynches.
Bugger this, I'm done here. If you manage to swindle town into a RNG lynch then go for it.
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On February 10 2013 16:18 Sylencia wrote:
Moc: Newbie 33 featured one too didn't it? (Whichever one my first game was)
Newbie 33 = Spag mislynch
Newbie 31 = scum lynch of Oatsmaster
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I have no idea why a moderator would do that. Why don't you stop posting for a bit Mocsta, you're just repeating yourself and nobody is really agreeing with you.
e: not to be a jerk, but you've made your proposal and we need to hear from the other players (and maybe a host) on whether your proposal is acceptable.
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On February 10 2013 16:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 16:18 Sylencia wrote:
Moc: Newbie 33 featured one too didn't it? (Whichever one my first game was) Newbie 33 = Spag mislynch Newbie 31 = scum lynch of Oatsmaster
The only other game I am aware of in the past 3months with a scum lynch Day 1
= Mario Mini (Hapa lynched Day 1)
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Mafia LIX (prplhz lynched Day 1)
Both those games were full of highly experienced players
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On February 10 2013 16:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 16:18 Sylencia wrote:
Moc: Newbie 33 featured one too didn't it? (Whichever one my first game was) Newbie 33 = Spag mislynch Newbie 31 = scum lynch of Oatsmaster
Try again! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389
What's even better is they basically had me day 1 also, but just couldn't pull everyone together for my lynch.
LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GAME BETTER IN THE NEWBIES. HUNT SCUM. GET BETTER AT HUNTING SCUM. LYNCH SCUM WITH YOUR SKILLS D1 FOR EPIC FEEL GOODS.
That's what I'd suggest ^^
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Also, removing the deduction part of a social deduction game makes for a not very fun game methinks :\ Even if the chances of finding the scum D1 are low, it's still there and it's a hell of a lot more fun than assigning numbers to people and culling one off at random.
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On February 10 2013 15:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
RNG is a terrible idea. Not voting for it no matter what I roll. People in favour of it (after role pms are sent out) are scummy in my eyes.
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On February 10 2013 16:21 warbaby wrote:
I have no idea why a moderator would do that. Why don't you stop posting for a bit Mocsta, you're just repeating yourself and nobody is really agreeing with you.
OooO Warbaby
you were meant to be my clone. The line is drawn in the sand I see.
Its Ok my dear 
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On February 10 2013 16:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 16:21 warbaby wrote:
I have no idea why a moderator would do that. Why don't you stop posting for a bit Mocsta, you're just repeating yourself and nobody is really agreeing with you. OooO Warbaby you were meant to be my clone. The line is drawn in the sand I see. Its Ok my dear
On February 10 2013 16:21 warbaby wrote:
e: not to be a jerk, but you've made your proposal and we need to hear from the other players (and maybe a host) on whether your proposal is acceptable.
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On February 10 2013 16:23 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 16:21 Mocsta wrote:On February 10 2013 16:18 Sylencia wrote:
Moc: Newbie 33 featured one too didn't it? (Whichever one my first game was) Newbie 33 = Spag mislynch Newbie 31 = scum lynch of Oatsmaster Try again! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389What's even better is they basically had me day 1 also, but just couldn't pull everyone together for my lynch. LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GAME BETTER IN THE NEWBIES. HUNT SCUM. GET BETTER AT HUNTING SCUM. LYNCH SCUM WITH YOUR SKILLS D1 FOR EPIC FEEL GOODS. That's what I'd suggest ^^
Big deal, wrote a 1 instead of a 2. Point?
If you want to show us your great scum hunting skills, maybe you should have joined.
Everyone has a big dick in the obs; theres no pressure and you're not caught in the moment.
Rad, even the some of the vets are proponents of the RNG Day 1 lynch. Theres a good reason for that. *Mostly what I have been saying, statistically town is better off*
And if you want to stand here and tell me, your scum hunting is on par with the vets *I am all ears*
P.S.
Its not like this is my idea from scratch.
I am playing a game now, where this topic was raised. Hence the concept.
I also just watched a vid from a vet giving reads, where some musings on the topic was given. There is validity behind this.
Your reactions are the same I had, when first presented with the concept. But that was mainly because it was raised during the Day1 play; where you cant be certain of agenda.
Im mentioning this PRE-GAME, and saying I am comfortable if it leads to my demise - regardless of alignment. Completely different situation.
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No RNG. Lynch the scummiest players always. Keep it simple fellas.
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In an interesting twist of events, non-RNG related.
Any of these non-playing lurkers want to replace for me?
i.e. Aquanim/Rad/whoever else?
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On February 10 2013 16:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 16:23 Rad wrote:On February 10 2013 16:21 Mocsta wrote:On February 10 2013 16:18 Sylencia wrote:
Moc: Newbie 33 featured one too didn't it? (Whichever one my first game was) Newbie 33 = Spag mislynch Newbie 31 = scum lynch of Oatsmaster Try again! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389What's even better is they basically had me day 1 also, but just couldn't pull everyone together for my lynch. LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GAME BETTER IN THE NEWBIES. HUNT SCUM. GET BETTER AT HUNTING SCUM. LYNCH SCUM WITH YOUR SKILLS D1 FOR EPIC FEEL GOODS. That's what I'd suggest ^^ Big deal, wrote a 1 instead of a 2. Point? If you want to show us your great scum hunting skills, maybe you should have joined. Everyone has a big dick in the obs; theres no pressure and you're not caught in the moment. Rad, even the some of the vets are proponents of the RNG Day 1 lynch. Theres a good reason for that. *Mostly what I have been saying, statistically town is better off* And if you want to stand here and tell me, your scum hunting is on par with the vets *I am all ears*
P.S. Its not like this is my idea from scratch. I am playing a game now, where this topic was raised. Hence the concept. I also just watched a vid from a vet giving reads, where some musings on the topic was given. There is validity behind this. Your reactions are the same I had, when first presented with the concept. But that was mainly because it was raised during the Day1 play; where you cant be certain of agenda. Im mentioning this PRE-GAME, and saying I am comfortable if it leads to my demise - regardless of alignment. Completely different situation.
Moc, I'm not for or against the RNG idea, I really don't care what you guys do this game. You seem to have ignored my first post on this. I think you should talk about this in game if you feel that strongly about it, where it means something. In fact, used as a topic of conversation in game could have helped hunt scum, or gotten you lynched, or been an interesting move as scum, or...?? Something interesting. Instead, you're sitting here telling people that disagree with you how bad they are at the game. That's pretty quality of you, sir. Good stuff.
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Rad;
The only person who has put up rational conversation against RNG is Aquanim; perhaps yourself.
(mind you, only 3 or 4 of the 13 listed players have actually commented)
Other commentary is not even related to discussing any RNG pros or cons. Its just weak argumentation against my valid points.
And lets not forget JSL suggesting a fantastic proof method "everyone submit one number, than divide by 13".
The real point is: yes this is pre-game and all are welcome to post.
However, the case for RNG is something that immediately influences this game.
I know this is a polarising topic worthy of discussion in general but I ask to keep it to the obs qt.
As far as I am concerned, you should not be commenting on this topic due to the impact I just described.
As an aside: If RNG was to be discussed, IMHO it can only be done pre-game, otherwise the whole situation is WIFOM and never takes off.
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Jacob's idea makes sense. I've also been making sense, but apparently you don't understand me or chose to ignore me. Two players have rejected your idea, and now you want to leave the game. That's unfortunate, as your plan requires a majority of the players to agree before the game starts.
The idea could have had some merit. Lynching scum D1 is not likely, and a properly run RNG (used as a last resort) could have a higher probability to actually hit a scum than the alternatives.
That aside, I'm surprised people aren't talking about lynching lurkers more. It seems like an especially useful strategy in newbie games, where the scum may be inexperienced and literally afraid to post (see the post-game comments in nmm36 by glurio and slayalot). Obviously there can be lurking town, too (omg I signed up for this insane game and now I have to read 100 posts a day? cya!)
On February 10 2013 16:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
No RNG. Lynch the scummiest players always. Keep it simple fellas.
So are lurkers scummy? I'm not sure I'd agree 100%. You can't keep it too simple.
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Corazon and Sn0, what I'm trying to say is D1 there is a good chance you will not catch scum. You guys thought I was scum at the end of D1 in '36, and we know how that turned out (thank goodness we went for a lurker instead[1], and we should have done the same thing D2 as well).
1: instead of killing me D1 and preventing my N1 save on zarepath, that is.
edit: not to imply that you were going to kill me D1, just an as example of what D1 scumreads are like. I thought acid might be scummy in '36 d1 but I was also wrong.
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On February 10 2013 18:40 warbaby wrote:
Jacob's idea makes sense. I've also been making sense, but apparently you don't understand me or chose to ignore me. Two players have rejected your idea, and now you want to leave the game. That's unfortunate, as your plan requires a majority of the players to agree before the game starts.
Dude
(1) Most of what you were commenting on was about live feed manipulation IIRC apologies if it was more substantial.
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(2) I clearly said me wanting to leave was nothing to do with RNG, was just bad timing on something else - which I am still awaiting an answer for.
Mr. Clone, everything I have been saying is without hidden agenda.
(x) I am involved in a game where RNG was brought up *I cant comment on the game due to rules*
(1) When raised during a game, it is easy to say "No" as its quite a shock to the standard way of playing. Thus it needs to be raised pre-game to bring attention to the benefits (and cons)
(2) Everyone forgets, with RNG, its not like the game goes on hold for 48hrs. You keep talking, keep developing scum reads. Its a case of, most times Day1 cases are a lottery based on "perceived scum slips". If taking a gamble, might as well do it via RNG.
(3) I liked the point too. If someone makes a huge scum slip and is obvious scum, than yes, policy lynch that scum motherfucker over the RNG. (This is the whole reason the topic gets discussed)
Fact is Warbaby, your medic death last game could have been prevented in 3 methods of varying difficulty
(a) You improved your play and not made the soft-claim
(b) Town improved their play and realised your lynch didn't make sense
(c) implement RNG and there is a (12/13) 92% chance you WONT be lynched.
I dunno about you, but I think (c) is the easiest to implement.
*Edit* just saw your post above.
I thought you were lynched Day1? ohh well points (1)-(3) still hold 
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On February 10 2013 19:00 Mocsta wrote:
Fact is Warbaby, your medic death last game could have been prevented in 3 methods of varying difficulty
(a) You improved your play and not made the soft-claim
(b) Town improved their play and realised your lynch didn't make sense
(c) implement RNG and there is a (12/13) 92% chance you WONT be lynched.
I dunno about you, but I think (c) is the easiest to implement.
easiest =/= best, and easiest =/= most fun
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OoO thrawn2112 
We're trying for a TL 2013 award here
Anyways, gonna go reformat my comp now, have fun.
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##Vote: RNG
No posts so far. Let's lynch!
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