Nomination Mafia - Page 9

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 00:31 GMT

#2007

This is the way the world ends. Not with cries of pain, children screaming for their mothers....but with thunderous applause.

You win Yamato.

##Vote: VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 00:46 GMT

#2009

Just forget it jay, there's not going to be any "after VE flips scum". I'm going to flip town in an Endgame post.

My final stab at scum are phagga, debears, yamato. That's pretty much the only possible combination that jives with all the facts. Debears just seems too sure that I'm town, in the face of pretty much everyone screaming otherwise. Yamato is pushing this wagon in a really scummy way and basically just confirms that his play to now has been a prelude to this moment. Honestly, who asks town to sheep them at LYLO? Fucking scum, obviously.

Anyway, I'm not making a case, it's a waste of time. This game is already decided. I'll see you all in post-game. It truly has been a pleasure failing miserably with you guys.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 00:54 GMT

#2011

It's cool - we live and learn. Honestly I shouldn't have signed up not having the time to commit to playing properly, but honestly I thought this would be much easier...the nomination mechanic made it seem SOOOOO town favored. :/

Anyway, if town listens to me we'd be lynching scum today instead of me.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 01:02 GMT

#2013

It would be phagga. He's been skirting on the edge of everyone's vision, and he's been hopping on the most popular lynch all game. Even now he's ceding his position on you to ensure a mislynch on me...you, his greatest red read all game.

You're not in my scum list anymore because today I had the pleasure of reading one of our previous scum games, BC's Arkham Asylum. I totally spaced that I had played scum with you before, back in the day. The whole of your filter in that game was THREE PAGES, and your average post length was 2 lines. This game ISN'T EVEN CLOSE to your scum meta.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 01:21 GMT

#2015

I didn't think Yamato was mafia until his push on me today. I thought he was just wrong townie until today - today he's shown a complete unwillingness to listen to reason and consider the game. He's tunneled in hard, at LYLO. That's not a townie mindset, considering this is the last lynch of the game.

Debears might be mafia - and like I said I'm thinking so based on his hard defense of me...but frankly phagga is scummier than Debears and is basically absent during this, our most important day in the game. Debears is here, and honestly that buys him life until we flip phagga.

Cheese is....well, Cheese definitely isn't scum. I stand by my assessment that scum wouldn't have bussed until the very last moment. It just doesn't make sense in this setup, they couldn't have hoped to win. And Cheese has been in every nomination since. It literally makes no sense to think Cheese is scum.

Honestly yamato/Oats are interchangable. I had intended to go through Oats filter today, but Yamato has literally beat the care out of me. And again, townies should be interested in figuring out the game, not punching through a lynch, at LYLO. Oats has shown more flexibility in his mindset, and thus I find him townier than yamato.

You say Yamato has been stating that your play in this game wasn't your scum meta. He hasn't shown it though...only asserted it. He never said why. Did that not bother you?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 01:55 GMT

#2017

Except he's not dead is he jay? You can't be a martyr IF YOU'RE FUCKING ALIVE. Otherwise you're just a guy saying things louder than most.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 02:11 GMT

#2019

Look, I'm not going to argue with you about why Yamato is or isn't scum. Honestly I haven't put forth ANY effort into trying to trying to prove it and I'm not going to in the current environment because I don't want to lynch yamato. I want to lynch phagga...if you're willing to go in with me on phagga, I'm absolutely willing to discuss why that guy is scum. But until I have some sense that it's not a waste of time, I'm not wasting my time. I've kissed my wife for the last time. I've hugged my baby for the last time. I'm ready to die and end this game - unless townies show me they're interested in winning.

My read on Yamato is based entirely on his play THIS PHASE. I haven't gone over his filter and I don't intend to. You have a point about the martyr thing, but frankly that doesn't excuse his absolute refusal to acknowledge that he might be lynching a townie. And he is jay.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 02:41 GMT

#2021

I get what you're saying, and so long as we're talking to each other like we're fucking idiots I'm done talking.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 02:45 GMT

#2022

Like, I said REASONABLE. Asking me over and over if I get it doesn't do anything but infuriate me. Of fucking course I get it, because I just said you have a point. But like I said (which you apparently disagree with, whatever) that doesn't excuse his play this cycle in my mind. And I fully intend to look at all of that in context.

What do you want? "Oh, well since you say that, obviously it's Oats/Cheese/whoever the fuck" Nope. That's not how I operate.

You have to understand that that martyr post meant NOTHING to me. Literally nothing. Look what it got slOosh! I fucking nailed him for it! I can't abide fucking idiots doing stupid shit because they think they're right when they're not...so I showed slOosh the fucking door hoping I could talk some sense into yamato this phase. And look where it got me!

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 02:51 GMT

#2024

Subtracting Yamato, I'd have to say Phagga debears Oats.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 21:53 GMT

#2130

I'll take good care of the thread for you dear. Don't worry, I won't try anything fishy. Maybe.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 22 2013 21:57 GMT

#2132

Day 7 Vote Count:

VisceraEyes (Lots): All the idiot townies

phagga (None): Not nearly enough.

Deadline in ~4 hours.

Currently VisceraEyes is set to be mislynched.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 23 2013 01:09 GMT

#2135

Why VisceraEyes is Most Definitely Town

Look, I know I'm going to die. For this reason I'm not going to waste time trying to get my scum reads lynched. Instead, I'm going to take an introspective look at my play and try to explain why I've made the decisions I did.

Day One - Lynch the Lurker

Early on in the day I had a town read on Mocsta and Oats. Their back and forth just smacked of town on town, in spite of Oats screaming otherwise. This interaction however caused me to take my first (yeah first fucking sue me) look at the OP and the mechanics involved in this game.

I had an early slight scum read on Palmar based on his inactivity - though I'm well aware of his penchant for fucking off regardless of his alignment. It had to do with prplhz being the target of his suspicions. I was looking specifically for prplhz' entrance into the game, because the last few scum games what I remember of prplhz was his tone was very indicative of his alignment. This game was no different, and he came into the game SOUNDING very town. The problem was that he fucked off early, deigning to bitch about thread atmosphere and do nothing of import else. For this reason, I wanted to pressure him to see what happened and chose him as the subject of my lurker lynch. I had a scum read on Palmar, and because I'd been shot down from lynching Palmar I went after prplhz as a lurker lynch.

I also had a scum read on Snarfs, who ended up being the subject of my first case. It was largely ignored - the only person I remember commenting on it was Mocsta, who said that he agreed with my points, but did NOT want to lynch Snarfs. This led to my waiting for further input, and subsequently my pushing of a lurker lynch. Near the end of D1, Palmar had come into the thread and tried to derail the current lynch in favor of….I don't even remember who, maybe prplhz some more. But because of this I was stricken certain that Palmar was mafia. I spent the entirety of the D1>2 Nomination Phase analyzing the previous day with the knowledge that Palmar WAS Mafia.

Day 2 - Nomination Day

Once the nominations were announced, I was put to my first hard decision. Palmar who had been a serious scum read had gone up for nomination…and based on my analysis of the setup I had determined that scum would likely put up three townies. So, it became a question of what I believed to be more likely: that Palmar was phoning in this game as town, or Palmar was ballsy scum. Based on his inactivity, I ruled out the latter and ultimately decided that Palmar was likely town, along with Mocsta whom I had a town read on from the previous day. slOosh was my only null in this list of 3, and I was leaning SLIGHTLY scum on slOosh at this point, based on him ignoring my Snarfs case. However with the nomination I was forced to rethink this read.

D2 also brought slOosh' original case on me, which was a sour pill to swallow considering the fact that I just had to rethink my own scum read on him. Most of D2 for me was spent trying to explain my inexplicable scum read on Palmar, and eventually trying to talk slOosh down from his read on me. All and all, it was pretty much a disaster…because not only did I not get to push my own Snarfs read in the thread (I was presently following slOosh' advice in allowing the nominees to lead the discussions) but I also developed an actual scum read on prplhz based on his incessant inactivity and refusal to do anything other than call me scum for no reason. Not to mention the fact that because slOosh was pushing this case on me for something he was guilty of himself, I had also developed a scum read on him…further taking me away from my original case on Snarfs.

Day 3 - Bowel Evacuation

Day three was the first time my ass was on the line…and actually the first time I was ready to die to further town's agenda. slOosh had gained quite the following and eventually the lynch was between myself and Snarfs. After repeatedly (and CAPSLOCKLY) attesting my innocence, and after Cheese came with a master-case (or something) slOosh eventually backed off and we were able to bag our first scum.

I think this is where my problems actually began though.

Based on the Snarfs lynch, I believe that scum had to try something obscure to implicate me - something subtle. I think this is when it was decided that I wouldn't ever be put up for nominations…and Day 4 was just about to start.

Day 4 - Mocsta and the Mislynch

Day 4 marks the last day I put any effort into this game, and for that I apologize. D4 brought Mocsta and his case against me, featuring none other than the "double-bus" theory everyone seems to be subscribing to today. Laughably bad in context, because of how I had decided the most likely way scum would play in this setup, but ultimately good enough to further exacerbate the doubt already latent in the thread surrounding me. Obviously I was not nominated…but Mocsta was. I found this to be highly suspect, and made my final and fatal error in judgement - deciding that based on all of this, Mocsta HAD to be scum. He flipped town though, and that pretty much decimated my will to continue trying.

In Conclusion
In my opinion, scum have played a MASTERFUL game. My final guess for scum right now is

phagga, debears, yamato

…but honestly wouldn't be surprised to be COMPLETELY off. Their agenda is extremely convoluted to me and I have no idea what's actually scummy and what's actually townie stupidity/paranoia/whatever. What I do know is that this is a mislynch, and that the game ends with me dying. As I said, I apologize for not putting more effort into this game.

Feel free to lay into me in post-game. I deserve it, though not as much as you probably think.