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Unfair. I was one of the only people even LOOKING at Snarfs, and I was one of the only people pushing for his lynch until the madness that was the couple of hours surrounding the lynch on D3. If you want to call me scum for other reasons, I'm willing to hear them, but saying that I wanted prplhz to die over Snarfs is a blatant misrepresentation of the situation. While it's true that I was the other leading candidate, you need only look at my posts to see that Snarfs had been my main read most of the game to that point.
That's pretty much all there is to say on the matter. If you have any other points that you think make me scum, I'm perfectly willing to pile fact upon fact until your reasoning crumbles beneath you.
Sloosh' plan makes sense to me, except that he's operating under the assumption that everyone believes he's town, which simply isn't the case. Nor is it the case that everyone thinks that I'm town. Cheese is pretty much the only player in the game that the whole of the surviving players agrees is town (or at the very least is very unlikely scum.) I'm still waiting to see what Cheese is going to contribute to this cycle, because as it stands he's clearly contributing the least.
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My filter is awash with posts trying to get Snarfs lynched. Prplhz more close fit the lurker demographic I was aiming into D1. It's all in my filter Yamato.
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That should read "from D1" but it doesn't even matter. I admit that I was just as, if not more interested in a prplhz lynch. But you can't just dismiss the fact that I was among the only voices suspicious of Snarfs right up to the point where he was made a serious candidate - whether it was me who made him a valid candidate is obviously up for debate, but you can't say I did nothing to get him lynched Yamato. Now you are the one who is lying.
##Vote: yamato77
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Okay, I'm starting to understand what's happening here.
Oatsmaster, Jaybrundage, phagga
Here's my theory. Check out jay's post regarding me. Notice how he's pushing this idea that I wasn't Nominated because I'm scum. It seems sound in theory, except that I haven't been at the pinnacle of my game this game - I defended phagga against slOosh, I defended Oatsmaster against Mocsta - I've been inadvertently playing for the scumteam all game. Why would they want to get rid of me?
jaybrundage has been crying "best mislynch NA" all game, like he does every game these days...except, if that's the case, then why hasn't scum tried to mislynch him yet? Something to consider. He wanted me gone bad on D3, and like everyone, is (somehow) convinced that the D3 lynch was between 2 scum. You need only look around today at the state of town, two mislynches away from losing the game, to see that this CAN NOT have been the case. I think debears is onto something with his case on jaybrundage. I think jay is scum.
Oatsmaster has been a little harder to read, mainly because I'm not familiar with his play. He's taking sheeping to a whole different level this game. Go read his filter - he has asked who he should lynch every cycle. I wrote him off as town early in the game based on his interactions with Mocsta, but if you look through his filter it's apparent that he hasn't done shit this game. And then out of nowhere today, I'm a scumread for him. I'm not buying it. This cycle was planned, and the plan was "discredit/setup VE for mislynch".
phagga is the weakest of my reads after rereading - but after rereading I'm also of the opinion that the three Nominees are all town, leaving phagga in the "could be scum" demographic for me. I didn't like slOosh' case on him (for reasons I stated) but he's right in that phagga keeps backing down from his scumreads (though somehow I bet he's just fine with his read on me) and isn't doing any scumhunting.
To me, tomorrow's lynch should be jaybrundage>Oatsmaster>phagga
VE should not be lynched because VE is town.
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Except that the game will be over and scum will have won.
But you know, whatever.
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Oh GOD I hope I'm wrong about you and you're scum Yamato...because you're playing for scum right now like I have apparently all game.
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Clearly you missed Liquid City bish
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Because my reads come in large part from viewing the big picture, and in this game the big picture is much harder to see (because of no night-kills). And again you're completely dismissing any amount of pushing Snarfs that I did, ignoring the push on Mocsta...it's been there, but you're ignoring it because you're convinced I'm scum. So convinced are you that you're willing to die in the name of getting me lynched Yamato - and I'm TOWN sir - you're willing to die to END THE GAME IN FAVOR OF SCUM.
I mean, I have 48 hours to convince the rest of town - I'm just saying, you're going all-in with rags bro.
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Well that's just disappointing yamato. Now die so we can actually do something with this game. -.-
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Seriously though, I'm not going to let you lynch me. I don't care what it takes. If you think I'm scum you might as well try and find my partners first because a VE lynch isn't happening tomorrow. I'm not fucking losing because idiot townies martyr themselves in an attempt to get me lynched. If I'm lynched scum win. Seriously. If ANY TOWNIE is lynched, scum win. Seriously. And people martyring themselves doesn't make their arguments any more valid or my alignment any less green. Fucking seriously.
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I have no idea what you just said.
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Psh...whatever. You can die too.
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##Vote: slOosh
For what it's worth, I wanted it to be you who won this with me. Yamato killed me last time we were town together, so I wanted you to be the hero with me.
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On February 20 2013 01:41 yamato77 wrote:
VE has done shit all this game. He wasn't even responsible for Snarf's lynch. He wanted prplhz to die over him. I think his Snarfs read was just too look good if he got caught and flipped mafia. He never pushed him, as he claimed. He barely pushed anyone. He makes his reasons and then afk's. I think he might be the piece of the puzzle I've been missing.
This is the whole of Yamato's case against me. His assertion is that I didn't want Snarfs to die, that I never "pushed" Snarfs. Here is my case on Snarfs.
On February 07 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:I think Snarfs might well be scum. So here's a little push in his direction, care of the guy who isn't pushing anyone. First of all, something I noticed last night. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:25 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also, WHERE DID YOU GO VE? Hmm, disappear while two other players start shitting up the thread? Congrats VE, you're already #1 on my list. ##vote VisceraEyesAs far as the voting mechanics go, it really is a ton of WIFOm. You're both saying the same thing in different ways. Yes, we lynch scum and we need to not look scummy. Yes, scum is going to try to trick us into debating ad infinitum about the composition of their nominations. That pretty much ends the discussion, doesn't it? Look very closely at everything the nominees say and lynch the scum. No need to over complicate it. If it comes down to multiple people contributing well to town, we can discuss it then. Here we see Snarfs' first vote on me. He's convinced of my alignment based on the fact that I left the thread "when two other players start shitting up the thread". But...why? Why is that indicative of me being scum? The only way that makes sense is if he is assuming that Oats and Mocsta are both town...and this is a conclusion he couldn't have already come to at this point in the game. This alone isn't really enough for me to call him scum, but then we see how he pushes me after this: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 06:08 Snarfs wrote:
Just to let Cheese and everyone else know, I am here and reading along with the thread. I have class for another hour and then I'm heading home so I will be able to respond and properly formulate my thoughts then.
As a preview though, I'm still getting a bad vibe from VE. It's a feeling right now but I wouldn't mind more people looking at him closely and just really asking if he's trying to find scum. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 08:44 Snarfs wrote:
All right, so here are my thoughts:
1) On VE:
My vote on VE was initially because of exactly what I said - of the three people that came into the conversation, he was the quickest to abandon it when things got heated. Now, he claims that he was commuting and I can't exactly dispute that.
But since then, I've had no reason to move my vote off of him. Look at the way he's saying things. Who is he even pressuring? Read through his filter and try to figure out who he's pushing. Palmar!? We're not lynching Palmar day 1, why waste time? As for the other people VE is "pressuring", there's no vindication. Phagga? Nope. yamato? Maybe, I can't really tell. When VE is town, he pushes people. He pushes them hard to determine their alignment and it's obvious he's pushing people. I think this is scum VE.
**snip** Anything new in there? Just a weak-ass meta read based on 24 hours of D1. But he asked for others' opinions TWICE in those two posts. We have players who haven't said fuck all. He's saying we can't lynch Palmar today...why? Why the fuck not? He's not doing shit. But he wants to lynch me? Based on what? A weak ass meta read and an absence I've explained? It's cognitive dissonance. Why would he be against lynching Palmar D1 and not against lynching VE D1 for the same reason? I mean, okay if he thinks Palmar is better for town than me assuming we're both town, that's one thing...but he doesn't say as much. He simply shuts down the Palmar lynch for no reason...when no one is even voting for Palmar but me. Now I'm at a crossroads. I want to kill Palmar with the holy fire of righeousness. But I also want Snarfs to hang. I want others' opinions of this, because at this point I could go either way. Kill the scummy lurker who doesn't give a shit, or kill the scummy active participant? Right now I'm leaning lynching Palmar, but if there's more support for a Snarfs lynch I'm all over that shit.
As you can see, it's clear that Snarfs is a scumread. At this point he's my ONLY scumread. But obviously I'm also pushing for Palmar to die...a townie. I think that's where this whole breakdown is and why yamato is freaking the fuck out. He thinks that I'm pushing Snarfs to the side in favor of trying to kill townies. This is simply not the case, the problem is that I had this idea of how the game should be played (kill lurkers, find scum in process, profit) and I was waiting on input from players I trusted on my Snarfs case.
Players like slOosh, Palmar, yamato...players I knew could tell me if I was seeing something where there was nothing or not. But this never came, and the thread moved on. So eventually I just kinda forgot about Snarfs - especially since at some point Palmar delurked and showed that he A) was NOT reading the thread, but B) did NOT want JX lynched. I took this as pretty much a scumclaim from him, because he not only didn't comment on my Snarfs case but he also was trying to derail the lynch OFF a lurker AFTER he'd reached majority. I thought that made him scum 100%.
So here is the sequence of D1 events as they happened.
1) Snarfs makes case on VE
2) VE makes case on Snarfs
3) VE decides the lurker is public enemy #1 in this setup
4) VE votes Snarfs in attempt to get wagon going
5) VE realizes after Palmar delurks that he must be scum based on the thread actions he's taken
6) VE votes JX in based on Palmar's delurk and attempt to push wagon off JX
So this is D1. I'll continue trying to explain my thought process later, as I have to get ready for work...but know that I'm only doing this because I believe that SOMEONE is willing to listen to reason. It honestly looks like I'm going to get lynched and town is going to lose...I want to believe that this isn't all in vain. Please keep an open mind, because I'm town. :/
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I intend to tell you just that - after I'm done pwnzing Yamato's shit case.
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Your confirmation bias is causing you to try and refute facts with opinions yamato. Are you aware of this?
I took the very strong stance that I thought Snarfs was scum. This is evident in my filter. I also took the strong stance that I thought Palmar was scum. This is also in my filter. I also took the strong stance that Mocsta was scum. This is in my filter. The fact that you don't think I was "pushing my reads" is horseshit because I very clearly explained why I thought all of Snarfs, Palmar and Mocsta were scum. While it's true that I wasn't in here bashing you guys over the head trying to get you to vote with me, that doesn't change the fact that these are all stances I took that you're claiming I didn't take.
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Because Palmar showed up and tried to DERAIL THE JX LYNCH! I thought that meant that JX was his scumbuddy and I was willing to consolidate on JX based on his inactivity ANYWAY.
Yes, you do have confirmation bias. All of the points you're saying are "irrefutable" have been refuted - you're just flailing around now going "Just sheep me town I'm right" without even CONSIDERING that you might be wrong. WHICH YOU FUCKING ARE.
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I fucking tried to get Snarfs lynched. I made a case that ALL OF YOU SLOOSH AND PALMAR IGNORED. You fucking IGNORED MY CASE ON SCUM Yamato. Yet I'M the one who HAS TO BE scum right?
Seriously, I'm done trying to convince you. I'll just convince someone else to vote with me and you'll either have to consolidate or fucking LOSE Yamato. Tired of this.
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Yamato is working under the assumption that Cheese is mafia...or hadn't you picked that up yet jay?
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Yes, you've made it abundantly clear that you have NO intention of winning this game.
If you're so hip to lose why not just concede? I'm down, fucking scum have us pwnzd.
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