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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 31 2013 17:41 GMT
#1801
Seriously dude, you act like you're hiding all your intentions.

I got to pull the stuff out of your nose by spamming questions.

You're completely unwilling to share your thoughts, you don't care about what's going to happen tomorrow. You don't try to push your own preferences.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:41 GMT
#1802
You telling me it's WIFOM?

I think scum won't bother doing that. IF sharrant is scum he gets 5 stars from me. Unlikely. Especially since he didn't bring it up to defend himself like

"GAIS I EVEN POSTED A CASE AGAINST VE WOULD SCUM BOTHER DOING DAT"

____________


I don't know yet.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:43 GMT
#1803
Can't see a difference between your scum play and your town play.......

can't find YANMM
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 31 2013 17:50 GMT
#1804
Can I know from everyone if they would lynch JX or Sharrant tomorrow?
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:52 GMT
#1805
I'll lynch sharrant if he gives me a strong enough reason to counter that night post
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:57 GMT
#1806
Vivax using your logic you'd have to lynch EZ for only having Yamato as red
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 18:02 GMT
#1807
On February 01 2013 02:41 Vivax wrote:
Seriously dude, you act like you're hiding all your intentions.

I got to pull the stuff out of your nose by spamming questions.

You're completely unwilling to share your thoughts, you don't care about what's going to happen tomorrow. You don't try to push your own preferences.


push my preferences? So you wanted me to ignore your question and go apeshit?
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 18:03 GMT
#1808
On February 01 2013 02:57 JieXian wrote:
Vivax using your logic you'd have to lynch EZ for only having Yamato as red


I'll be watching out for that it yamato dies
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 18:08 GMT
#1809
Ok since I'm going to sleep just look at my town games, LIX for example, I'm not the type who does huge writeups because I can't. It's not because I don't want to share. I told you what I thought about Sharrant in a heartbeat.

On January 23 2013 03:46 JieXian wrote:
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On January 23 2013 03:04 sandroba wrote:
@Oats I see you defended quite a bit of people already, but I don't really see who are your suspects. Can you please tell me who you think the mafia team might be with your reasoning?

@JX I think the same applies to you, can you do the same?


I honestly can't imagine what the mafia team might be doing at this stage because of all the possibilities and this being my first Normal game, only played minis before.

I have weak suspicions on a few people but I had something that stands out from debears. He's uninvolved like a few other people but I can't understand this at all and no one has given me an input yet:

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On January 22 2013 03:17 JieXian wrote:
Austin sorry your case just looked waaay weaker to me now that Bugs posted his argument against yours and I'm voting for 5touch >_>

On January 22 2013 02:58 debears wrote:
On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:
On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:
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On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:
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On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled.


He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What?


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On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:
On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:
On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:
On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:
On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:
On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba

If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.

If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.

Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.

I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah.

Vivax wtf kind of post is this?

Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise.

Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate.

This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you.

Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me.

I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time.

Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor?
Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours?
Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills.
Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia?

Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +
remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town
to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose?

You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats.


This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost.

His mayoral election run is a null tell

But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet.


Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town.

As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads



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On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw

Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?

Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me


So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_>


I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now.



It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin.

I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum


I don't get this. Why?

___

I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that.


Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots.

Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads.

Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred


I don't know why you're worried at all, beacuse he doesn't have any votes for now and everyone seems to think he's too stupid to be mafia except for 1 person.

How could you have missed out the candidates with the highest number of votes : FiveTouch, Chezinu

I find that fake paranoia scummy.




For that matter you didn't answer what is YANMNM yet
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 31 2013 18:10 GMT
#1810
Using my logic EZ isn't scum cause he spontaneously replied to suspicion by releasing an ocean of logs.

You on the other hand have suspicious targets for lynch and are giving a guy a town-read for a single post with lots of null reads and a scumread that died shortly thereafter.

Sharrant wanted to lynch yamato for dicking around and gave EZ an instant town read for not doing that. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Sharrant didn't want to vote for thrawn after calling him suspicious for lurking in the early game, reason he gave: It's a lurker lynch.

Sharrant joined the jay wagon late and in a super scummy way, hastily throwing in a few reasons and didn't do shit D2.

Sharrant was the guy being attacked by VE shortly before his death. It's one less player against him for the next day.

You ignoring all these points and basing your townread on a single post cause it's huge just confirms that you are the likely scumbuddy.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 18:12 GMT
#1811
Just check me so I don't have to deal with you tomorrow

and you better don't claim I'm town because I'm gf >_>
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 18:13 GMT
#1812
On February 01 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:
Using my logic EZ isn't scum cause he spontaneously replied to suspicion by releasing an ocean of logs.

You on the other hand have suspicious targets for lynch and are giving a guy a town-read for a single post with lots of null reads and a scumread that died shortly thereafter.

Sharrant wanted to lynch yamato for dicking around and gave EZ an instant town read for not doing that. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Sharrant didn't want to vote for thrawn after calling him suspicious for lurking in the early game, reason he gave: It's a lurker lynch.

Sharrant joined the jay wagon late and in a super scummy way, hastily throwing in a few reasons and didn't do shit D2.

Sharrant was the guy being attacked by VE shortly before his death. It's one less player against him for the next day.

You ignoring all these points and basing your townread on a single post cause it's huge just confirms that you are the likely scumbuddy.


Ok I have to reread his filter tomorrow

If what you said is true, you have a point.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 18:21 GMT
#1813
ok goodnight

can't be bothered reading his filter thoroughly now since it's so late and I may die.

On February 01 2013 02:52 JieXian wrote:
I'll lynch sharrant if he gives me a strong enough reason to counter that night post


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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 31 2013 18:32 GMT
#1814
Goodnight.

Yet another Normal mini mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388487
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 31 2013 19:06 GMT
#1815
On February 01 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:
Using my logic EZ isn't scum cause he spontaneously replied to suspicion by releasing an ocean of logs.

You on the other hand have suspicious targets for lynch and are giving a guy a town-read for a single post with lots of null reads and a scumread that died shortly thereafter.

Sharrant wanted to lynch yamato for dicking around and gave EZ an instant town read for not doing that. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Sharrant didn't want to vote for thrawn after calling him suspicious for lurking in the early game, reason he gave: It's a lurker lynch.

Sharrant joined the jay wagon late and in a super scummy way, hastily throwing in a few reasons and didn't do shit D2.

Sharrant was the guy being attacked by VE shortly before his death. It's one less player against him for the next day.

You ignoring all these points and basing your townread on a single post cause it's huge just confirms that you are the likely scumbuddy.


Vivax, I'm sorry, I've tried ignoring everything you've taken out of context or twisted because apparently that's what you do. You don't read the thread, you just make shit up as you go along. That's it.

You're wrong about why I gave EZ a town read. I gave EZ a town read because it's a hydra made of two people that I expect two spew anger constantly, AND I SAW NONE OF THAT. That was honestly the scummiest thing about him aside from the connection in Prom's post that I pointed out. And then there's finally some anger. Boom, that was the last piece of the puzzle for me to have him as a town read unless Prom flips and flips red at some point.

You're damn right I considered Thrawn a lurker lynch. He only had two posts of any substance. As scum he should have had a page of filter in day one, usually a little more than that. I rather would have lynched Prom who I had a scum read on at the time. He had gone so far past the point of lurking I was pretty sure he'd just replace out. He was afk day one, not lurking, there's a difference.

I wanted to lynch Yamato for being afk the entire day, up until he comes in and hard defends a guy who has done nothing but sheep and go "this guys scum cuz scum". What the fuck is that? If Thrawn had pulled some bullshit like that, I absolutely would have been on his lynch.

Yeah, I had a rough day 2 because I was 100% sure about VE being scum. And he flipped town, along with so many people doing things that looked scummy it was hard for me to actually get a real read except for a bunch of town reads. That left me with a pool of players that I could make pretty similar cases on.

Yeah, VE attacked me when I went after him, but you know what? Some of the things he has attacked me for I know I'm right on. Everyone that has flipped that wasn'ton Thrawn's wagon has flipped town, and I'm town.

At this point you're just getting annoying. If I have to deal with you constantly trying to get me lynched it's going to make this game annoying to play. Listen to Ghost who had a town read on me right away, just like I had a town read on him. BECAUSE WE BOTH HAD THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS. Listen to IamP who has had me as a town read for most of the game except when I've been a little too lurky because of outside of game factors. Listen to EZ, two very strong players who are looking INCREDIBLY FUCKING TOWNIE and have me as a town read.

Stop twisting my words, stop trying to make a terrible case on me, and start trying to actually lynch scum.

I had to deal with this before I reread the rest of the thread. I saw this post and it just pushed my buttons. I'll be around the computer until day post, but probably with a few gaps in there.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 31 2013 19:09 GMT
#1816
On February 01 2013 03:12 JieXian wrote:
Just check me so I don't have to deal with you tomorrow

and you better don't claim I'm town because I'm gf >_>


I'm not a big believer in scum slips, but this made me laugh. Can someone back me up that I'm reading that right and he put the words backwards?

That reads to me as "And you better not claim I'm town because I'm GF". I wouldn't give this much credit, but I had to point it out because it made me laugh.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 31 2013 19:13 GMT
#1817
Sharrant why so dramatic.

Since that alleged scumslip I can't remember pushing you much, you didn't "have to deal with me constantly" at all.

Lay out your detailed thoughts, townreads and scumreads for tomorrow please.

With 2 blue claims you have no reason to be afraid of talking about your townreads.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 31 2013 19:21 GMT
#1818
Yeah that "slip" looked a little weird, but I believe he simply said that I shouldn't claim "You came back town because you're GF".
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 31 2013 20:01 GMT
#1819
On February 01 2013 02:25 Vivax wrote:
EZ's huge post moved my prevision to Sharrant>JX>Prom though.


I'm interested. You don't have EZ on your scum list, so he's at least null. And his huge post (a long with the posts where he hard defends me) made you put me as your number one scum read? That's baffling to me. Can you please explain this.

Okay, I've read through all of EZ's notes a few times now. There's no way he's scum buddies with Prom. I still think Prom has a really good chance of flipping scum at this point, especially with posts like this that IamP pointed out

On January 31 2013 11:52 iamperfection wrote:
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On January 30 2013 10:12 Promethelax wrote:
On January 30 2013 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
On January 27 2013 09:05 Hapahauli wrote:

On January 27 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote:
Well ill let porm answer since he always complains when I answer questions directed at other people.


Since when does iamp give a fuck about what people think of him?


however one thing i do remember about hapa that made me think he was town is that he was a tiny bit suspicions of me.

Scum hapa would know by now that it is suicidal for him to go after me in any way considering are history.


This, he also tried to figure out what was going on and clearly had some issues with what I was saying. I think after last game he would go for a different target since I had him figured out before he got me killed but wasn't back in the thread to push him. He mentioned something to me in PMs about how he only went for me because he knew I was going to be AFK.

what happened here prom i thought we saw eye to eye on this issue?

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On January 31 2013 05:34 Promethelax wrote:
okay guys, I'm throwing my support in the Jay wagon. We need consolidation and I like lynching him over JX, it does indeed take a conspiracy to call JX scum (though its always possible) and his willingness to work with me and interact with me seems genuine, his misunderstandings are a point in his favour actually since sccum can't accuse me on weak shit and expect to get away with it, and he keeps dropping it as soon as I correct him and he understands.

##Vote: Jay

SS, you talked about a mass claim earlier, why do you think that is good and why did you suggest it but not follow it up?

plus you never mentioned jay in between those two posts looks like to me you were voting for a town read.



In my head a Marv/Thrawn/Prom scum team sounds like a properly skilled group out of these players. Yamato has been scummy as all hell since he joined, but I've been reluctant to lynch him on the back of Marv's claim. Prom I had as scum early on but was second guessing myself for a while. I'll drop a bigger post just before the day post, until then everything will be smaller posts.

On February 01 2013 04:21 Vivax wrote:
Yeah that "slip" looked a little weird, but I believe he simply said that I shouldn't claim "You came back town because you're GF".


I'm pretty sure that's what he meant, but it made me laugh so I had to point it out. I put just about 0 weight behind that as a slip.

On February 01 2013 04:13 Vivax wrote:
Sharrant why so dramatic.

Since that alleged scumslip I can't remember pushing you much, you didn't "have to deal with me constantly" at all.

Lay out your detailed thoughts, townreads and scumreads for tomorrow please.

With 2 blue claims you have no reason to be afraid of talking about your townreads.


I haven't been dealing with you constantly because I've felt no need to respond to you because of how terrible your cases were. But this is what I mean

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On February 01 2013 02:25 Vivax wrote:
EZ's huge post moved my prevision to Sharrant>JX>Prom though.


On February 01 2013 02:50 Vivax wrote:
Can I know from everyone if they would lynch JX or Sharrant tomorrow?


On February 01 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:
Using my logic EZ isn't scum cause he spontaneously replied to suspicion by releasing an ocean of logs.

You on the other hand have suspicious targets for lynch and are giving a guy a town-read for a single post with lots of null reads and a scumread that died shortly thereafter.

Sharrant wanted to lynch yamato for dicking around and gave EZ an instant town read for not doing that. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Sharrant didn't want to vote for thrawn after calling him suspicious for lurking in the early game, reason he gave: It's a lurker lynch.

Sharrant joined the jay wagon late and in a super scummy way, hastily throwing in a few reasons and didn't do shit D2.

Sharrant was the guy being attacked by VE shortly before his death. It's one less player against him for the next day.

You ignoring all these points and basing your townread on a single post cause it's huge just confirms that you are the likely scumbuddy.


On February 01 2013 00:44 Vivax wrote:
Scum: EZ + xsksc>Prom>Sharrant

Pretty sure about EZ, unsure about everyone else.

Assuming that there's only one NK tonight.
Do what you want, just posting this for postgame :>


On February 01 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:
I think EZ + Sharrant scum team makes sense at this point.


On February 01 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:
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On January 31 2013 06:45 EmileZola wrote:
okay townslip. in this setup the roles are random, hapa couldnt chose.
sharrant :-)



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On January 31 2013 07:51 Sharrant wrote:
On January 31 2013 07:48 EmileZola wrote:
If you seriously screw up the Jaylynch with your last-minute shit.
I thought about this game for hours now and you jerks won't destroy it with your paranoia and shit.

Jay is scum


FINALLY. That makes me happy to see, I feel so much more confident about you being town now.

##unvote
##vote Jay




They've given pretty easy reasons to read each other as town so quickly.

I find it weird anyway that you say to a scumread of yours: "OH nice, I'm sure you're town now".
A little of confirmation bias should always be there when you genuinely believe that you're talking to scum.

I suggest you simply read their filters imagining them as scum team.

EZ bussing thrawn with two dangly filters, Sharrant reluctantly calling thrawn a lurker lynch after he suspected him for lurking initially.


On February 01 2013 01:13 Vivax wrote:
What's even more fishy is that Sharrant gives EZ a townread for doing the exact opposite of what he himself wanted to do: Lynch yamato for his behaviour.

That was clearly acting.


On February 01 2013 01:17 Vivax wrote:
Who's with me to lynch either EZ or Sharrant tomorrow?


On February 01 2013 02:24 Vivax wrote:
Why do you think Sharrant, Prom and EZ are town?

All good scum candidates in my book.



Those are just in the last two pages of your filter. So reading just from the flip was pretty frustrating.
EmileZola
Profile Joined January 2013
France202 Posts
January 31 2013 20:29 GMT
#1820
(wbg)

Can we please stop spamming so hard? Like the past several pages have been nothing but one liners aside from Sharrant's posts. I never actually thought I would say this, but this is getting ridiculous. 100 pages by this time-you'd think this was a 30 player game.

If you have nothing useful to say, please don't say it. I'm mostly talking to Vivax, but I think my opinion of him has been made quite clear already.

BTW we have been told that we are no longer allowed to post logs. So, we might paraphrase each others' ideas but I'll try to keep it a bit more coordinated with super in explaining our reads. Hopefully those of you who have been able to keep up with the game will know what I think this means about someone.

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