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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 30 2013 01:12 GMT
#1261
On January 29 2013 07:29 Sharrant wrote:
*snip*
VisceraEyes
I'm not going to make connection cases before his flip, but if there were ever a time to do that, I think it would be now.

This is just before VE flip. Information that only mafia could have known.
*snip*


iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
January 30 2013 01:13 GMT
#1262
speak of the devil and he shall appear.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 01:15 GMT
#1263
On January 30 2013 10:09 Vivax wrote:
I'm going to repeat it nicely:

SHARRANT SAID HE DOESNT WANT TO TALK ABOUT VE'S CONNECTIONS BEFORE HIS FLIP.
BUT HE STILL TALKED ABOUT HIM.

THEN VE FLIPPED GREEN. TOWN NO KNOW WHO FLIP NEXT. SHARRANT DID.


btw I'm not angry, just want to make it clear for you.


Let's nip this in the bud.

I was talking about lynching him. I thought my case was pretty good, and there was a fair amount of suspicion on him from other people as well. So I was planning on going after him on day 2. The reason I mentioned not making connection cases is because I felt if VE flipped scum that Hapa would be pretty surely scum, I withheld that because it would be stupid making pre flip connection cases, and it turned out it was smart to withhold it because VE flipped town during the night.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#1264
@ Sharrant

What about Prome and EZ saying that they were going to lynch me if I had shot VE ?
And the fact the only few people wanted to shoot VE ? Tell me who do you think could have followed you on a VE lynch ?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
January 30 2013 01:18 GMT
#1265
Bleh.

Who do you want to lynch, anyway?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
January 30 2013 01:20 GMT
#1266
Be back tomorrow, for real this time.

Whenever I see such things I go into ecstasy. I hope I'll never be a dayvig, I hope it for you.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 30 2013 01:24 GMT
#1267
On January 30 2013 09:53 EmileZola wrote:
which is why I accused jay of not reading the thread.

In fact, I consider him scum for the manner in which he switched away from Sharrant. He seemed to switch away from Sharrant when it was apparent Sharrant would gain traction.

Distancing is a scum tactic. He prefers JX over Sharrant and never qualifies the preference any more than "JX has done worse". Not good enough. Either qualify it with tangible evidence, or die.

What the hell are you talking about. God forbid I have more then one scum read. Sharrant and JX are both scummy. Yes JX voted thrawn early but it doesn't make all his scummy actions irrelevant. Also Iamp also had JX as a scummy read. I have Lamp as a town read and i give his opinion some weight in my decisions. That is primarily why I started rereading filters and such to see if i could see what he said about Sharrant and JX.

The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 01:25 GMT
#1268
On January 30 2013 10:17 Djodref wrote:
@ Sharrant

What about Prome and EZ saying that they were going to lynch me if I had shot VE ?
And the fact the only few people wanted to shoot VE ? Tell me who do you think could have followed you on a VE lynch ?


Well, you had VE as a scum read going into N1, Ghost had VE as a scum game since the beginning of the game (for those of you wondering, my town read on Ghost came because his entrance into the thread matched by thoughts throughout the whole game word for word). Half of EZ had VE as scum earlier as well.

So I figured with a strong case (and I think it was a pretty good case, even if it turned out to be wrong) that it would push it to the point where a VE lynch would be viable unless he started playing better.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 30 2013 01:31 GMT
#1269
On January 30 2013 10:25 Sharrant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 10:17 Djodref wrote:
@ Sharrant

What about Prome and EZ saying that they were going to lynch me if I had shot VE ?
And the fact the only few people wanted to shoot VE ? Tell me who do you think could have followed you on a VE lynch ?


Well, you had VE as a scum read going into N1, Ghost had VE as a scum game since the beginning of the game (for those of you wondering, my town read on Ghost came because his entrance into the thread matched by thoughts throughout the whole game word for word). Half of EZ had VE as scum earlier as well.

So I figured with a strong case (and I think it was a pretty good case, even if it turned out to be wrong) that it would push it to the point where a VE lynch would be viable unless he started playing better.



Ok, fair enough. Who would you lynch today ?
Wich players do you have as possible scum and why ?
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 01:41 GMT
#1270
On January 30 2013 10:31 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 10:25 Sharrant wrote:
On January 30 2013 10:17 Djodref wrote:
@ Sharrant

What about Prome and EZ saying that they were going to lynch me if I had shot VE ?
And the fact the only few people wanted to shoot VE ? Tell me who do you think could have followed you on a VE lynch ?


Well, you had VE as a scum read going into N1, Ghost had VE as a scum game since the beginning of the game (for those of you wondering, my town read on Ghost came because his entrance into the thread matched by thoughts throughout the whole game word for word). Half of EZ had VE as scum earlier as well.

So I figured with a strong case (and I think it was a pretty good case, even if it turned out to be wrong) that it would push it to the point where a VE lynch would be viable unless he started playing better.



Ok, fair enough. Who would you lynch today ?
Wich players do you have as possible scum and why ?


Off the top of my head JieXian, EZ, Prom, and Jay are the only people I could see as being scum at this point. xsksc's posting style gave him townie points early with me, and seeing the green check makes me even more sure. Everyone not on the list read townie to me.

I'm going to spend more time going through filters right now, I'll still try and respond to any questions that come up while I'm reading and writing though.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 30 2013 02:22 GMT
#1271


Hapa/jay




Here is the collection of mentions of thrawn by Hapa.

On January 26 2013 12:53 Hapahauli wrote:
*snip*
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 12:43 Djodref wrote:
On January 26 2013 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. Where did everyone go?


I'm here. What do you think about thrawn entrance in the thread ?


It's "bleh." He tends to come in and make random jokes like that as town. Can't make anywhere near an accurate read on him this early though.


Doesn't commit to anything. It could be even a soft-defense because there was already some suspicion on thrawn at that point and he was less active than usual at this point. He directed me towards xsksc in his next post.

On January 26 2013 13:04 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Djo

Can you sum up your suspicions of xsksc? I can't piece together your thoughts - it sounds like you're disagreeing more with his verbage rather than finding him scummy.


On January 27 2013 06:43 Hapahauli wrote:
@ JX
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 03:02 JieXian wrote:
Hapa is uncharacteristically quiet (so is Vivax, though Vivax isn't as quiet)

I WONDER WHY



We live on the opposite sides of the world ya know - gotta get my sleep and all.



Regarding Thrawn

He's the only other guy I'm concerned about right now. He's lurky as scum, and has been doing the same so far.


Concerned about thrawn, but not voting him nor pushing him.

On January 27 2013 09:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 08:59 Promethelax wrote:
Close.

Both Marv and millers should be considered town until further evidence. A Marv miller even more so. But one should never let the nature of why you have at Marv miler as town obscure your thoughts since he could be scum. Discrediting Marv now is stupid, he is probably town, he is probably miller and he will probably be night killed, throwing a bunch of suspicions is a waste of time and space. All we needed was to remember that he wasn't totally confirmed town. So yes, I wanted to hear more from Marv, I always want to hear more from Marv.


Sounds reasonable.

Show nested quote +
Hapa, besides thrawn and his lurk what are you seeing in this thread worth attacking? is the smurf really mr. Z? If he isn't is he scum?


Well I'll wait for him to confirm himself before I make a judgement. If the smurf isn't MrZ though, I'd be down for lynching him.

Thrawn + Ghost lurk annoys me.

Other than that, I found one of the latest quotes by Iamp as scummy:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote:
Well ill let porm answer since he always complains when I answer questions directed at other people.


Since when does iamp give a fuck about what people think of him?


Annoyed. Not a very strong word. I think town Hapa could have pegged thrawn as scum at this point. Hapa has been playing with thrawn in Mario Mini Mafia and he knows he hangs out in the scumQT. Hapa has been playing with ghost in WitchCraft and he knows he is not very active as town. Their inactivity are presented on the same level here while they don't mean the same thing at all for these players. And Hapa should know that perfectly.




One other thing I don't like in Hapa's filter is this post.

On January 26 2013 11:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 11:29 Promethelax wrote:
On January 26 2013 09:23 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 09:08 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, lets set some ground rules, no one tries to lynch Marv d1 unless Hapa, me and VE all agree about him being scum. We're the three who know him well in this group. A corollary is that we will lynch him in lylo no matter what. If he is town and scum want to take the risk of letting him live that long we can make that trade.

Along with that we will kill lurkers and liars, I'm done with towns where those things are acceptable. I would like confirmation from those players who are here on this. People who play anti-town will also be lynched. We must make it so that townies cannot play in a scummy way, it is time for town to win a mini.

We believe in capital punishment in this town.

xsksc: tell me about yourself. What are your strengths and what are your weaknesses?


Alright. I'd appreciate if you do the same for me, you're one of the players in this game I'm not familiar with.
My reads are usually pretty good, I've never been lynched and I'd like to think people can identify my town play easily enough.
My weakness would probably be not pushing my reads hard enough/getting people on-board with me.

On January 26 2013 09:13 Vivax wrote:
On January 26 2013 09:10 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 09:07 iamperfection wrote:
this is better prom has posted the scummiest post so far

On January 26 2013 08:55 Promethelax wrote:
Hello one and all and welcome to my town, there are three rules here. No lying, no lurking and no creating bad town atmosphere. Clear?


because everyone in this game already knows this and he would only post it to appear to contribute

## Vote prom

It's a pretty pointless post as, like you said, everyone clearly knows this already. There's not really a scum motive for it either, it doesn't earn him any townie points whatsoever. It's just pointless.


I think this post is scummy. It's lengthy and too serious in this situation. It also suggests xsksc has been lurking until he read your question. He was observing us silently.

##Unvote
##Vote xsksc

It's 2 lines long, I'm not sure what world that would qualify as lengthy in...
Iamperfection said Proms post was scummy, I said I don't see a scum motive behind it, pointless post =/= scum post. Fairly simple.


Replying to this before I forget, at one time I thought my strength lay in being obviously townie and not in scum hunting. Over my last few games I think that has been shifting. I have been mislynched twice in a row and caught scum twice I. A row (we are ignoring lviii). I can pretty well assure you that Marv and probably Hapa will be able to read me as town. As to the other players in this game, most know me and have played with me before but I'm less sure that they'll be able to read me well.


Huh? How do you know that I'm town?


Prome doesn't even imply that Hapa is town in his post. I think the scumslip is far-fetched here. I suspect a soft-town claim by scum Hapa here.




I liked Sharrant defense a little, when jay sounded butthurt lately. Town jay martyrs when he is mislynched.

##Unvote
##Vote jay
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 30 2013 02:27 GMT
#1272
@Djo Umm at the begging of your you said Hapa/jay. But all i see is hapa and no jay.

Also as town i used to martry. Obvious it never works as i still got mislynched. I dont plan to get mislynched this game,

The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 30 2013 02:28 GMT
#1273
EBWODP

At the beginning of your post you said hapa/jay*
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 30 2013 02:29 GMT
#1274
And your case is more or less Hapa doesnt jump on the thrawn wagon as if he knows the alignment of thrawn.

The reason being is he doesnt know thrawn's alignment. He was suspicious of thrawn and im sure if hapa didn't need ot get replaced he would of followed up and voted thrawn as well.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 30 2013 02:30 GMT
#1275
On January 30 2013 11:27 jaybrundage wrote:
@Djo Umm at the begging of your you said Hapa/jay. But all i see is hapa and no jay.

Also as town i used to martry. Obvious it never works as i still got mislynched. I dont plan to get mislynched this game,



Well, so you know what you should do not to get lynched. Go find better lynch targets than you !
Where you active lurking ? You are around but you show up when I change my vote on you ?
Why are you not presenting your cases ? I have defended JieXian, do you have any comment to make on my post ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 30 2013 02:33 GMT
#1276
On January 30 2013 11:29 jaybrundage wrote:
And your case is more or less Hapa doesnt jump on the thrawn wagon as if he knows the alignment of thrawn.

The reason being is he doesnt know thrawn's alignment. He was suspicious of thrawn and im sure if hapa didn't need ot get replaced he would of followed up and voted thrawn as well.


Town Hapa hates lurkers. He is an adept of the "Lynch a Lurker" policy. I think he would have pushed a lynch on thrawn because this policy is almost assured to hit scum with this player. Hapa did not vote thrawn. This is a fact !
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 30 2013 02:45 GMT
#1277
@Djo I have been actively posting. You act like I have been not posting at all till i saw your case. I have posted my reads atm of JX and Sharrant. As of yet JX has been lurking everyone wants to defend him but no one lets him defend him self. Why is that? Yes he was on thrawn early could this make him more likely to be town sure. Can he still be scum yes. I have had games when people bus someone as the first or second post. DocH did this one game as scum.

In regards to your second post yes hapa didnt vote thrawn. He had to get replaced and the mods stated hapa would stop posting and not partake in the voting. So whats your point.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 30 2013 02:52 GMT
#1278
On January 30 2013 11:45 jaybrundage wrote:
@Djo I have been actively posting. You act like I have been not posting at all till i saw your case. I have posted my reads atm of JX and Sharrant. As of yet JX has been lurking everyone wants to defend him but no one lets him defend him self. Why is that? Yes he was on thrawn early could this make him more likely to be town sure. Can he still be scum yes. I have had games when people bus someone as the first or second post. DocH did this one game as scum.

In regards to your second post yes hapa didnt vote thrawn. He had to get replaced and the mods stated hapa would stop posting and not partake in the voting. So whats your point.


What do you make of the fact that JieXian is usually a lynch bait ?
Could you provide some evidence that his vote on thrawn was a bus vote ? Could you provide better evidence that he is mafia ?
Why are you not doing it already ?

My point is that Hapa should have been very suspicious of thrawn. And he could have been pushing his lycnh while he was still in the game. Hapa knows thrawn almost as well as iamp, if not better (because they played scum together once).
Supersoft looks like he had thrawn as scum quite early, iamp did, I did. Why Hapa was putting him on the same level as ghost ? I think Hapa was scum with thrawn.
I might be wrong, but you should convince me on the opposite if you are indeed town.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 03:03 GMT
#1279
This is taking forever, I keep being pretty convinced of one thing, and then finding holes in it. JX+Hapa/Jay seemed like a strong case to me (I would lynch JX first) but the recent vote from Jay on JX gives me pause for the moment.

I'll write more on this shortly but it needs more filter diving, the other big thing I noticed does not.

Promethelax and EZ also strike me as a possible scum team. This one is much less likely, but this post is what put it into my head big time.

On January 29 2013 08:54 Promethelax wrote:
Because he was the strongest town player in the game? I'd have shot him as scum too.

Sorry ghost. Still love you even though I thought you was scum.

So with these night kills djo is pretty unlikely to be the SK but if he is sk we'll need to lynch him. Ah we'll, saving him until Lylo and/or a night with too many kills.

Going to read over the night, wish VE had added more and that ghost hadn't just attacked me.

Imp: I am opposed to a xscsk lynch.


After talking about his respect for Bugs' play in the pregame, and after the reveal of SS/WBG being a hydra he mentions how VE was the strongest town player.

Why did this bug me so much?

SS/WBG being a hydra was very recent in the thread, it still should have been on his mind at this point. He had EZ as a town read (he mentions this shortly after when he also says he didn't think it through). It makes me think that he and EZ are scum together, and that was a big slip. There's certainly some faults to it, he was very agressive about finding out who EZ was, but also says that he knew it was at least SS playing because he learned it from the hosts earlier in the pregame. (I'm not sure about this, but it strikes me that if one person in the game was told by the hosts it should have been knowledge to everyone) so that makes me think that they might both be scum and that's how he knew.

Again, this next point is a bit waffley, but this is based on a pretty weird slip so I really have to look at it both ways. EZ was not killed last night, even though he was revealed to be two veteran players. Instead they took the opportunity to kill VE, even over pretty much confirmed town Yamato and Iamp AND Djo. That makes me think that whoever killed him must have held him in high regard (which promethelax does, and I'm sure EZ does as well). Now, on the other hand, it's just plain strange to me that none of the really confirmed people were shot (except for Djo, because the scum have to have a healthy skepticism as to whether he is town or bullet proof SK). But for scum to shoot VE who did have a fair bit of suspicion on him, over one of the almost confirmed town really says that it was someone who respected his play.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
January 30 2013 03:05 GMT
#1280
im not seeing this being a huge point djo. hapa replacde pretty early and im sure if he had saw the vote post by thrawn he would have voted for him.

i believe hapa had already stopped posting before i threw out the first vote on thrawn.
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