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xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 26 2013 03:43 GMT
#321
I'm still here, celebrating some dead poet I don't give a shit about.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 26 2013 03:46 GMT
#322
On January 26 2013 12:43 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. Where did everyone go?


I'm here. What do you think about thrawn entrance in the thread ?

very bleh

i liked that he made a joke though.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 26 2013 03:50 GMT
#323
On January 26 2013 12:42 Djodref wrote:
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On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:54 Djodref wrote:
For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case.
Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ?

#1 A case is a case, doesn't matter how strong it is.
#2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next.

Also - your arguments with me over semantics, why? I mean, what's the point? I'd clarified what I meant by odd to Hapa already, and yet you still thought it necessary to point out. I find it hard to believe you didn't know what I meant by "case", and it seems a very small thing to pick a fight over.


I wasn't speaking about the odd "thing", I was speaking about the fact that you consider the few weak posts Vivax made against you "cases". Your posture is too defensive to my liking.

Like, this is what I don't understand here. What is the problem with the word case? If I use the word "attacks" or "list of reasons hes voting me for", would you be happier?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 26 2013 03:53 GMT
#324
On January 26 2013 12:43 iamperfection wrote:
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On January 26 2013 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. Where did everyone go?

im all you need bro

what you want to talk about you pick the subject


Just hold me and tell me those sweet nothings.

On January 26 2013 12:43 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. Where did everyone go?


I'm here. What do you think about thrawn entrance in the thread ?


It's "bleh." He tends to come in and make random jokes like that as town. Can't make anywhere near an accurate read on him this early though.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 26 2013 04:04 GMT
#325
@ Djo

Can you sum up your suspicions of xsksc? I can't piece together your thoughts - it sounds like you're disagreeing more with his verbage rather than finding him scummy.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 26 2013 04:05 GMT
#326
@Iamperfection, do you have any reads you'd like to share with us?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 26 2013 04:06 GMT
#327
On January 26 2013 13:05 xsksc wrote:
@Iamperfection, do you have any reads you'd like to share with us?

not at this time
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:12 GMT
#328
On January 26 2013 12:50 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 12:42 Djodref wrote:
On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:54 Djodref wrote:
For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case.
Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ?

#1 A case is a case, doesn't matter how strong it is.
#2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next.

Also - your arguments with me over semantics, why? I mean, what's the point? I'd clarified what I meant by odd to Hapa already, and yet you still thought it necessary to point out. I find it hard to believe you didn't know what I meant by "case", and it seems a very small thing to pick a fight over.


I wasn't speaking about the odd "thing", I was speaking about the fact that you consider the few weak posts Vivax made against you "cases". Your posture is too defensive to my liking.

Like, this is what I don't understand here. What is the problem with the word case? If I use the word "attacks" or "list of reasons hes voting me for", would you be happier?


Attacks would have been better
There is no case against you.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:18 GMT
#329
On January 26 2013 13:04 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Djo

Can you sum up your suspicions of xsksc? I can't piece together your thoughts - it sounds like you're disagreeing more with his verbage rather than finding him scummy.


Here are the two reasons why I'm suspicious of xsksc.

On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in?



This post where he announces that he is going to look into Vivax games. This post casts suspicion upon Vivax in an indirect way and I don't like the fact that he says he is going to look into Vivax games. It's very similar to what Adam posted in Hero Mini Mafia about thrawn (Palmar picked it up in his video).


The second thing is his reference to cases that don't really exist in my eyes. Vivax arguments are quite weak and they don't constitute cases for me. So I find xsksc over defensive, which is commonly a scum trait.

On January 26 2013 11:41 xsksc wrote:
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On January 26 2013 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:05 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 10:55 Hapahauli wrote:
To expand on that: "odd" is a purposeless term in mafia. No one cares if something is "odd," because it draws no conclusions about someone's allignment. This is especially true given how that quote is constructed:


On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in?


First you say that there's no reason for you to think he's scum. Then you call his quote "odd" (which is purposeless and implies suspicion on Vivax). Then you backtrack on it, but then reverse course again promising to look into Vivax's filter (which implies suspicion on him again).

There's a huge lack of coherence behind this statement of yours. What are your actual thoughts on Vivax?




I said I don't see a good reason for him to be scum. I don't think someone making a bad case on me warrants me to turn around and label them scum, if there's nothing else in their filter to indicate so.
His case lacked logic, that's all, and I prefer to actually do something constructive day one than defend myself against it.
Still leaning town on him. You may be more familiar with him, what do you think? Standard Vivax?


Ignore the "standard Vivax" stuff. What would you think of his play independent of his history?


He jumped right in and started making cases/pressuring his read, he looks like he doesn't care if he's in the spotlight. Seems fairly townie to me. In fact, I don't think scum would make such a poorly thought out case that fast in the game, it's bound to draw unwanted attention.


Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:19 GMT
#330
@ xsksc

Did you read previous Vivax games ? Which ones ?
What did you make of it ?
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 26 2013 04:19 GMT
#331
On January 26 2013 13:12 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 12:50 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 12:42 Djodref wrote:
On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:54 Djodref wrote:
For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case.
Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ?

#1 A case is a case, doesn't matter how strong it is.
#2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next.

Also - your arguments with me over semantics, why? I mean, what's the point? I'd clarified what I meant by odd to Hapa already, and yet you still thought it necessary to point out. I find it hard to believe you didn't know what I meant by "case", and it seems a very small thing to pick a fight over.


I wasn't speaking about the odd "thing", I was speaking about the fact that you consider the few weak posts Vivax made against you "cases". Your posture is too defensive to my liking.

Like, this is what I don't understand here. What is the problem with the word case? If I use the word "attacks" or "list of reasons hes voting me for", would you be happier?


Attacks would have been better
There is no case against you.

On January 26 2013 11:25 xsksc wrote:
I don't really feel inclined to spend the evening repeating myself

+ Show Spoiler +
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Case : A set of reasons or supporting facts; an argument.
Why. Does. It. Matter? Can you actually answer me that?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:24 GMT
#332
On January 26 2013 13:19 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 13:12 Djodref wrote:
On January 26 2013 12:50 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 12:42 Djodref wrote:
On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:54 Djodref wrote:
For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case.
Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ?

#1 A case is a case, doesn't matter how strong it is.
#2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next.

Also - your arguments with me over semantics, why? I mean, what's the point? I'd clarified what I meant by odd to Hapa already, and yet you still thought it necessary to point out. I find it hard to believe you didn't know what I meant by "case", and it seems a very small thing to pick a fight over.


I wasn't speaking about the odd "thing", I was speaking about the fact that you consider the few weak posts Vivax made against you "cases". Your posture is too defensive to my liking.

Like, this is what I don't understand here. What is the problem with the word case? If I use the word "attacks" or "list of reasons hes voting me for", would you be happier?


Attacks would have been better
There is no case against you.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 11:25 xsksc wrote:
I don't really feel inclined to spend the evening repeating myself

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Case : A set of reasons or supporting facts; an argument.
Why. Does. It. Matter? Can you actually answer me that?


Because it seems like you take seriously Vivax accusations against you when they are weak.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:26 GMT
#333
Also you need to answer my previous question about Vivax games.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 26 2013 04:30 GMT
#334
Wait, what? I know they are weak. That doesn't suddenly change the definition of it. I acknowledge here that it's poorly thought out.
On January 26 2013 11:41 xsksc wrote:
He jumped right in and started making cases/pressuring his read, he looks like he doesn't care if he's in the spotlight. Seems fairly townie to me. In fact, I don't think scum would make such a poorly thought out case that fast in the game, it's bound to draw unwanted attention.

Why does a case stop being a case when it's weak? That's completely devoid of logic. Are you saying it's only a case when it has merit? Wtf, lol.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:36 GMT
#335
On January 26 2013 13:30 xsksc wrote:
Wait, what? I know they are weak. That doesn't suddenly change the definition of it. I acknowledge here that it's poorly thought out.
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 11:41 xsksc wrote:
He jumped right in and started making cases/pressuring his read, he looks like he doesn't care if he's in the spotlight. Seems fairly townie to me. In fact, I don't think scum would make such a poorly thought out case that fast in the game, it's bound to draw unwanted attention.

Why does a case stop being a case when it's weak? That's completely devoid of logic. Are you saying it's only a case when it has merit? Wtf, lol.


Ok, let's not argue about semantics anymore. They were weak attacks, and the fact that you are referencing them as a case has worried me. Let's drop this point for now.
What about previous Vivax games ?
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 26 2013 04:39 GMT
#336
Yes, I skim-read I can't believe it's not themed mini. He got lynched day1 but this was in July so there's a good chance he's a lot better by now. Going to give lviii a read if I have time later. I'm basing my leaning-town read on him on the events that happened so far this game though - not on meta.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:41 GMT
#337
On January 26 2013 13:39 xsksc wrote:
Yes, I skim-read I can't believe it's not themed mini. He got lynched day1 but this was in July so there's a good chance he's a lot better by now. Going to give lviii a read if I have time later. I'm basing my leaning-town read on him on the events that happened so far this game though - not on meta.


Why did you ask for his previous town games then ?
Was your previous argument to derive a town read on Vivax not already valid at that point ?
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 26 2013 04:41 GMT
#338
Hapa, you still here?
What do you think of Djodref?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 26 2013 04:42 GMT
#339
I'm trying to parse through the argument. Gimme a sec
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 26 2013 04:42 GMT
#340
On January 26 2013 13:41 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 13:39 xsksc wrote:
Yes, I skim-read I can't believe it's not themed mini. He got lynched day1 but this was in July so there's a good chance he's a lot better by now. Going to give lviii a read if I have time later. I'm basing my leaning-town read on him on the events that happened so far this game though - not on meta.


Why did you ask for his previous town games then ?
Was your previous argument to derive a town read on Vivax not already valid at that point ?

Because I heard people talking about his "style" or whatever and I wanted to check out what he's known for. Doesn't hurt to get a little background info on players I haven't met before.
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