I think the VE shot wasn't the best decision either but if it weren't for you posting the logs things might have gone differently since vivax may keep on yelling at you

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

February 04 2013 18:50 GMT

#2302

I don't mind that at all, however, I'm only dissatisfied about the claim =(

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 18:51 GMT

#2303

Can I say how much fun it was just shitting on you until you conceded JX? Thanks for playing along and claiming cop. It made me lol forever! I hope I didn't make you too mad by just laughing at you for everything you said and calling you scum. But you were really obviously scum.

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

February 04 2013 19:02 GMT

#2304

my orignal plan was to claim vt and shoot you.

that would have went so much better

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 19:03 GMT

#2305

nope. Because you were still scum. It was set-up confirmed that me/djo/moc/vivax we not mafia. You had lost the game. It was only a question of sk existing but when toad told me that the set-up was town favoured i realized our power roles were legit so no sk existed.

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

February 04 2013 19:08 GMT

#2306

I admit the setup argument was bloody frustrating

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

February 04 2013 19:09 GMT

#2307

On February 03 2013 08:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I can tell you that the set-up doesn't include vigs with more than 1 shot, as can be seen in the OP and that I nerfed town, but won't tell you how.

he said that town was nerfed........ where did you get that it was town favoured

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 19:10 GMT

#2308

in PMs when I asked him if two one-shot cops was a possibility. We talked set-up. He mentioned that foolishness thought this set-up was town favoured. You do the math.

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

February 04 2013 19:11 GMT

#2309

wth Toad why did you tell prom something like that

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

February 04 2013 19:12 GMT

#2310

I partly didn't want to claim vt and shoot you because of toad's "town was nerfed" post and thought you were the SK and I can't shoot you anyway

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 19:23 GMT

#2311

well it was after we were killing you anyways. PM time was 2/4/13 23:10 it jsut made me too lazy to look for SK since I knew we'd won by that point. It was well after I'd shat on you about the claim.

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

February 04 2013 19:33 GMT

#2312

oh ok

I guess the town nerf was having 2 oneshot vgs instead of 1 multishot vg

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

February 04 2013 19:34 GMT

#2313

Wow fuck this game was absurdly town favored.

VV should NEVER be two one shot vigis. It should only ever be one 2 shot vigi, and I made it this way in my C9++ and purposely did not publicize what I did with the randomized for situations like this.

You can't RB two vigis at the same time
Both vigis can shoot the same night (two shot cannot)
A single kill will take out the two shot but not two vigis
Two one shot vigis with an SK roll results in the possibility of 4 KP in one night. Too much for a game of this size.

Add to this the possibilities of medics (not JKs) and the one shot cop...this game in terms of roles was not balanced.

Also Toad as a host you really need to not tell people things. If they ask you setup related questions you HAVE to either ignore them or give them only whatever is absolutely necessary. Never tell them anything about how you rolled the setup because it can lead them to break it.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 19:43 GMT

#2314

not sure what the town nerf was honestly. I think the set-up was pretty good for town. Though even more good with thrawn rolling over dead day one. Like others I left my vote off him hoping to actually get something done day one, though I was planning on simply shooting him night one.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 04 2013 19:46 GMT

#2315

I think TL hosts who use C9++ variants should leave some room for uncertainty. Blues are getting (near) confirmed as town too often and it's seems very difficult for mafia to time their fake claim correctly to combat that with the information they have. They obviously also can't fake claim mason/vig and claiming rb is iffy as well. Make some small tweaks and don't answer questions about the setup. I don't think every game should have people counting Ts.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

February 04 2013 19:47 GMT

#2316

Also I should say the hydra favored town quite a bit too but I think it was supposed to be balanced with marv on the scumteam.

We shouldn't have been allowed to post logs from the start.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

February 04 2013 19:49 GMT

#2317

Normally in my C9++ setups there is plenty of room for uncertainty. That's why these types of setup speculation fail every time I host.

I try to encourage fake claims from scum by keeping the actual setup relatively vague. For example rolling VV has the extra side effect of making the vig look like an SK if he shoots twice.

E: medic over JK also limits claims.

Simply the fact that JKs are not possible but medics are weakens scum

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 04 2013 19:53 GMT

#2318

LOL balance setup around marv being on scumteam.

Marv so baus. <3

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 04 2013 19:54 GMT

#2319

Hydra just like anyone else... Logs should not be allowed. Period.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

February 04 2013 19:55 GMT

#2320

I told prom about it when he asked and JX said he's going to give up and I told him I need about an more hour to finish it because I'm in a game of dota

"Town was nerfed" always was and is in comparison to what the mafiascum page tells you to do and not what was up with the set-up (I agree, it was slightly town favored, foolish said the same) TL-wise. That's the reason I said town was "nerfed" btw mafia was "buffed".

I don't think the double 1 shot vig was a problem though. The hydra was, yeah