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On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote: Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Negatory.
He was actually quite active in the games he got modkilled. It looks more like he didn't vote, or got caught up last minute and missed voting, then got modkilled. It's odd, but oh well.
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On January 22 2013 02:42 FiveTouch wrote: austin, why did you fail to address the point that Oatsmaster didn't even look into the case on prplhz or comment on it, saying that he was against any mayor who wanted to lynch a lurker, and then further ended up voting for you because he liked that you were killing this particular lurker? If this is a real question, then it's because I didn't address every point that every player brought up about some guy, because I'm human, etc.
If it's not a real question, knock it off.
I'd like to believe I'm not for killing stutters for "lurking," but because of the actual posts he has. When I look at the posts you're talking about, I don't get full-on inconsistency from them, or at least what you're seeing.
On January 21 2013 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok 5touch, I was wrong and you were right, I just feel that JX wasent scum off those 2 posts. HOWEVER, his disappearance since then is not good for him being town. I dont want to vote for a mayor that advocates lurker lynching because it removes the responsibility that the mayor has to justify his lynches. I want the mayor to not be fucking retarded and actually takes some responsibility for his actions.
What you are seeing in the second post:
On January 22 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be. He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. Stutter's posted 4 posts and just disappeared, I feel that as a town player, his start wouldve been continued through the thread but it was not to be which makes me think that he is putting up a front of activity at the start to allay all suspicions then lurking his way through the rest of the game. Vote: Austinmcc Right? That's what you're really taking issue with? That he identifies Stutter as a lurker, says he is going to lurk all game?
However, his first post is that he doesn't want a mayor whose policy is to lynch lurkers, because he wants an accountable mayor. That is actually WEIRD to me because I haven't seen a single mayor candidate who says "Let's lynch a lurker." Everyone seems to have actual reasons for voting the folks they want to vote, or hasn't given a specific candidate, afaik. So...that's just a funky statement given that, in my mind, there is no mayoral candidate with the platform that Oats is against a mayoral candidate having.
That aside, I don't see the second post as fully inconsistent with the first. If you pull out different phrases, it matches up. Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be. He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. He seems to have reasons to vote me besides my choice of lynch. While that may be playing a part, he at least identifies a couple things that I have done/said. When he references me and stutter, he says that he agrees with my lynch target after reading my reasoning. My reasoning is not "stutter is lurking kill stutter." So to me, that goes find with the first post. I'm not advocating lurker lynching at all, I've advocating stutter-lynching. He at least has paid lip-service to the idea that I have reasoning behind that advocacy.
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On January 22 2013 02:43 JieXian wrote: Getting modkilled is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia This is absolutely true. I'm not advocating lynching him because he doesn't care about playing mafia though, and nobody is defending him on the ground that he "usually doesn't care about playing mafia."
Bugs said a thing about stutter's past games. I went to go look at the past games to see whether I agreed with the thing. I do not agree with the thing.
That doesn't make bugs wrong, that doesn't make stutter mafia. It just means that the only thing I've seen that's a real reason not to lynch stutter is something I disagree with, so I'm still down for lynching stutter.
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On January 22 2013 02:49 debears wrote: Austin
Would you lynch stutters over sandroba right now? I would lynch stutters over sandroba right now + Show Spoiler +GAH, I HAVE BEEN CALLING HIM STUTTER FOR A COUPLE POSTS BECAUSE I SAW THAT AND ASSUMED I WAS ADDING AN S. BAD WHOEVER CALLED HIM STUTTER, BAD!
I would lynched stutters over anyone right now.
I think it was Gonzaw, but whoever said they hate some vets getting leeway because "they always play like this" or "they'll be useful if they're town" was right. It's dumb, but we do it. I'm not even really looking at sandroba critically right now because I have that mindset. It's pointed out every game that he's lazy as scum, and he never seems to be NOT lazy as scum, but there's nothing he's doing that I'm worried about right now? He hasn't been SUPER active in the town games I've seen from him, bar bureaucracy I think. So for now he's just not on my radar as a strong read either way, and I'm not going to lynch someone who is in that position.
That's...a weird set of two people for you to pick.
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On January 22 2013 02:56 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:53 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 02:43 JieXian wrote: Getting modkilled is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia This is absolutely true. I'm not advocating lynching him because he doesn't care about playing mafia though, and nobody is defending him on the ground that he "usually doesn't care about playing mafia." Bugs said a thing about stutter's past games. I went to go look at the past games to see whether I agreed with the thing. I do not agree with the thing. That doesn't make bugs wrong, that doesn't make stutter mafia. It just means that the only thing I've seen that's a real reason not to lynch stutter is something I disagree with, so I'm still down for lynching stutter. What thing is that? Please be fast and I'm not joking around, trying to decide before I sleep. Bugs said that stutters usually looks scummy when he's town.
On January 21 2013 11:09 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 11:03 austinmcc wrote:On January 21 2013 11:00 DearestSnot wrote:On January 21 2013 10:56 Djodref wrote:On January 21 2013 10:53 DearestSnot wrote: Whom do you want to lynch? Clarity for not being being the usual Claritown and not posting when he promised to do so. I could lynch debears as well for similar reasons. I suppose these are reasonable, but I don't want to spread ourselves too thinly. Chopped down the quotes, timestamps may be off. You find a debears lynch "reasonable." How do you feel about a stutters lynch? I find the suspicion reasonable but I don't think I would lynch either of those players today. Nor would I lynch stutters, particularly because stutters is a player I would firmly put in the "scummy as town" column.
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On January 22 2013 03:00 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:58 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 02:49 debears wrote: Austin
Would you lynch stutters over sandroba right now? I would lynch stutters over sandroba right now + Show Spoiler +GAH, I HAVE BEEN CALLING HIM STUTTER FOR A COUPLE POSTS BECAUSE I SAW THAT AND ASSUMED I WAS ADDING AN S. BAD WHOEVER CALLED HIM STUTTER, BAD! I would lynched stutters over anyone right now. I think it was Gonzaw, but whoever said they hate some vets getting leeway because "they always play like this" or "they'll be useful if they're town" was right. It's dumb, but we do it. I'm not even really looking at sandroba critically right now because I have that mindset. It's pointed out every game that he's lazy as scum, and he never seems to be NOT lazy as scum, but there's nothing he's doing that I'm worried about right now? He hasn't been SUPER active in the town games I've seen from him, bar bureaucracy I think. So for now he's just not on my radar as a strong read either way, and I'm not going to lynch someone who is in that position. That's...a weird set of two people for you to pick. So, you want to lynch a player who has known to barely contribute to town as town in his previous games (stutters) over a player who is highly respected as town and has not contributed (sandroba)? Why is that? META AND MISUSING META IS A PAIN IN THE ASS.
I think that stutters is mafia because of his play THIS GAME. THIS GAME. The one we're in. Here are my reasons for thinking so.
(1) His opening posts are VERY generic and add nothing.On January 20 2013 11:11 Stutters695 wrote: Not going to bother running for anything since I'm terrible in the first day(and in general, but less so as it goes on) but I'll be placing my vote for mayor on whoever I have the best town read on (unless their plan seems terrible). Agreed on the voting a vet in. If nothing else they'll have enough meta/people have enough experience with them to get better reads off of their actions. "I will place my vote on my best town read." "I like the idea of voting for a vet for mayor."
On January 20 2013 12:33 Stutters695 wrote: @Chezinu You promise these things if you're elected but what reason do we have to believe you? If your plan requires you not revealing anything that's all well and good but why should we put our faith in you? Chezinu, a lot of people have been saying we can't trust you. So, I'd like to ask, how do we know we can trust you? (THESE QUESTIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS)
(2) Small, but:On January 20 2013 11:55 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:27 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 11:23 Chezinu wrote:On January 20 2013 11:20 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 11:14 Chezinu wrote:On January 20 2013 11:10 austinmcc wrote:On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote: I wanna see a serious chezinu. Mayor-Chezinu does not necessarily mean serious Chezinu. "I will be serious if mayor" Chezinu does not necessarily mean serious mayor Chezinu. If you want to vote him because you want him to have bodyguards and to have an extra vote, then by all means. But I don't think anyone should actually assume that Chezinu being mayor will mean anything about the way he plays. I must disagree. I believe Chezinu will play sanely. The only reason his plays with his brown methods is to survive. If he is already guaranteed to live then his play will certainly change. the problem really isn't your sanity although that might be part of it. The problem I see with voting someone like you is that unless you hit mafia d1 there will be a shitstorm d2 with half of the people screaming for your head while the other half doesn't want to lynch you. It's just not a good situation to be in if you're mayor, no matter of your alignment unless you actually hit mafia d1 and I'm not willing to risk that without a proper read and having better / decent alternatives. Like I said, Sandro should be the #1 person to go to if he's town, he's really good as town but not so much as mafia. Shouldn't be too hard to figure him out if he starts posting It's basicly the same reasoning for why I'm not running That already happens. Mayors typically die early if they don't hit scum. That's why my advise was to let the mayor live for a while before murdering him(or her) too quickly. Read the previous game with mayors, it happens all to often. I know, I've been in some of them. Hence the statement that I'd rather not vote you and instead vote someone who's not a center of paranoia no matter of alignment, someone who is easy to read and good as town. Makes sense. If this is common however aren't we risking lynching someone who seems easy to read because they mislynched d1 unless they have nearly flawless town play? I wouldn't necessarily lynch them because of a d1 mislynch but if lynching the mayor is probable sometime early doesn't that add incentive to make the mayor someone hard to read side then they're forced into doing something that helps generate a read? Here is a long chain of posts, talking about Chezinu. Stutters finds Toad's argument to "make sense." To the extent that he asks an interesting question that GOES somewhere here, it's the idea that maybe we want to install a hard-to-read mayor, in hopes that the person wants folks to read them properly and will act in such a way that folks can read them.
That's...a weird thought, probably not how anyone would play, but oh well. It's the question he asked. However, does he follow up on that question at all? NO! The one mildly interesting thing I see in stutters's filter is a question with NO follow-up.
(3) To the extent you like "I'm doing x/looking at x/be right there guys" into "silence" as a scummy thing, On January 21 2013 03:20 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 00:31 austinmcc wrote:You also asked for scum reads. In terms of people I'm looking at: stutters - a few very short posts. Nothing much of substance. Asks some questions to Toad here but never follows any of that up. Easy questions to participate, without really going anywhere with the answers. Mildly scummy for now. debears - slightly worrisome in the same way. Drops that he won't vote vivax, supports chezinu, gives a short answer when asked "why chezinu" and then dips. Along with stutters, he reads like he showed up because he thought he should make posts, made some posts, lumpY I also remember debears being generally interested in the game, and would expect ... more involvement when he was here, or at the very least more answerage. Given that this game started Friday night, that we have a couple players we haven't seen ANYTHING from, and a decent number of players we've seen very little from, those are my top reads. Right now I'm not dealing with everything else. Short posts yes, but it was like two hours into the game. I dropped the questions on toad because he answered and the discussion in the thread cleared it up pretty well for me. I'm catching up on the thread now. Catching up now guys!
(4) Short posts yes, but it was like two hours into the game. I dropped the questions on toad because he answered and the discussion in the thread cleared it up pretty well for me. As mentioned before, I found MYSELF in my first scum game having a hard time not answering suspicion like this. Townie: "I'm suspicious of you for x!" Me: "Well, sure I did x, but ... y." I think that as new scum it's difficult to deny something tiny that another person finds scummy. Your mileage may vary here, but the way he responded to a little bit of pressure did not feel townie to me, that "yes, but" is something I find scummy.
So that is THIS GAME. Those things took place here. That's the entirety of his posting. I want to lynch him because of that.
The meta stuff is NOT why I want to lynch him. The meta stuff is meant as a response to anyone saying "he looks scummy as town." As an outside observer grabbing old stutters games, that does not appear to be the case. I disagree with their assessment. I find that even in games where he was modkilled., he was active, he was asking REAL questions, he was making cases, giving votes, asking for OP updates, stuff that showed he was playing and moving the game forward. Again, he was playing and moving the game forward in games where he was eventually modkilled. That is not what I see in this game, and I don't agree with their assessment that he's some player who always looks scummy when town. They have a single game to go off of and legitimately believe that. I do not legitimately believe that.
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On January 22 2013 03:15 debears wrote: Ok. Gotcha on the meta part austin
Still.
How can you honestly lynch stutters over Sandroba based on play this game? What more contribution has Sandroba brought to the table? Okay so, that is my reasoning to lynch stutters.
Sandroba I have never seen particularly active apart from Bureaucracy. In Looney Lynching, he made it to the final day of a 96-hour-lynch on D1, and barely escaped with his life over a guy who actually WAS scum. He still didn't post too much, and he died N1 despite being quiet.
In magical-world-swapping mafia, he was slightly more vocal, but wasn't leading the pack or anything. He felt like he just had a couple really decent, well-thought-out posts/reads. He was also in the non-lynch world D1, so maybe he didn't feel the need to be vocal, I dunno.
Based on my play with sandroba then, I don't EXPECT a particularly vocal Sandroba. More a...walk softly and carry a big stick sandroba? I have not seen him take over a game, although apparently that has happened in the past. So it does not bother me if he's not trying to take over this one.
I'm also NOT lynching based on "contribution." I'm lynching based on scumminess. I find stutters scummy. I don't find sandroba ANYTHING right now. He's barely been around, he had a read on JX that I didn't agree with but explained it when asked, and he correctly pointed out that I was wrong in one way I was looking at that JX post.
Him being willing to engage in discussion like that, and noting in a second or third response that I was dead wrong about something, is about the only thing that I actively had to read him off of. It's not scummy to me. His inactivity could be anything. He IS valuable if left alive. So WHY would I want to kill him?
I guess that's the crux of this for me. I think stutters is mafia and I actively want to see him lynched. I don't think sandroba is mafia right now, there's not much to go on, and I don't actively want to see him lynched. I'm not lynching based on contribution, nor should we be. So I just don't see why I would be lynching sandroba. Some people HAVE legitimate concerns that they keep vocalizing about him, gonzaw being one, but I don't know how I feel about sandroba personally and THEY aren't even clamoring for his lynch.
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On January 22 2013 03:02 FiveTouch wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:42 FiveTouch wrote: austin, why did you fail to address the point that Oatsmaster didn't even look into the case on prplhz or comment on it, saying that he was against any mayor who wanted to lynch a lurker, and then further ended up voting for you because he liked that you were killing this particular lurker? If this is a real question, then it's because I didn't address every point that every player brought up about some guy, because I'm human, etc. If it's not a real question, knock it off. I'd like to believe I'm not for killing stutters for "lurking," but because of the actual posts he has. When I look at the posts you're talking about, I don't get full-on inconsistency from them, or at least what you're seeing. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok 5touch, I was wrong and you were right, I just feel that JX wasent scum off those 2 posts. HOWEVER, his disappearance since then is not good for him being town. I dont want to vote for a mayor that advocates lurker lynching because it removes the responsibility that the mayor has to justify his lynches. I want the mayor to not be fucking retarded and actually takes some responsibility for his actions.
What you are seeing in the second post: Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be. He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. Stutter's posted 4 posts and just disappeared, I feel that as a town player, his start wouldve been continued through the thread but it was not to be which makes me think that he is putting up a front of activity at the start to allay all suspicions then lurking his way through the rest of the game. Vote: Austinmcc Right? That's what you're really taking issue with? That he identifies Stutter as a lurker, says he is going to lurk all game? However, his first post is that he doesn't want a mayor whose policy is to lynch lurkers, because he wants an accountable mayor. That is actually WEIRD to me because I haven't seen a single mayor candidate who says "Let's lynch a lurker." Everyone seems to have actual reasons for voting the folks they want to vote, or hasn't given a specific candidate, afaik. So...that's just a funky statement given that, in my mind, there is no mayoral candidate with the platform that Oats is against a mayoral candidate having. That aside, I don't see the second post as fully inconsistent with the first. If you pull out different phrases, it matches up. Show nested quote +Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be. He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. He seems to have reasons to vote me besides my choice of lynch. While that may be playing a part, he at least identifies a couple things that I have done/said. When he references me and stutter, he says that he agrees with my lynch target after reading my reasoning. My reasoning is not "stutter is lurking kill stutter." So to me, that goes find with the first post. I'm not advocating lurker lynching at all, I've advocating stutter-lynching. He at least has paid lip-service to the idea that I have reasoning behind that advocacy. You're so fluffy, you post a lot but tend to manage to miss the main highlights. 1) Oats doesn't want to have a mayor who wants to lynch lurkers 2) Oats does not comment on prplhz at all 3) Oats likes your Stutters lynch, at least in part because "...he has 4 posts...then [he's going to] lurk his way through the game" Why is Oats not commenting on prplhz at all? Why is he liking the lurking aspect of the Stutters case when being completely against it for the mayor? Why did Oats attack me repeatedly and tarnish my motives, and then say "I bleed town"? Yeah yeah, I'm fluffy.
And you ask lots of rhetorical questions, or questions aimed at the wrong party. Oats does not comment on prplhz, that's true. Nobody but oats can tell you why. I read what you have as (1) and (3) here differently than you do, but again, only Oats knows what's happening in Oatsbrain. I find point (1) odd, that post odd, because he seems to be giving this generic "I don't want a mayor who is just going to lynch a lurker" thought, when NO mayoral candidate wanted to do that. That thought, vocalizing it out of nowhere in the middle of a post, IS weird. But I find his later bit liking a stutters lynch to be in harmony with the earlier post, because it's NOT a lurker lynch. I'm not proposing lynching stutters because he's lurking, so I don't see why supporting me would run afoul of not wanting to elect a mayor who wants to lurker lynch.
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On January 22 2013 03:22 DearestSnot wrote: austin if you are so concerned about stutters for his play THIS GAME (regardless of however naive I think your opinion of meta is) why are you not on Clarity's ass or on sandro for the exact same reasons? Mainly because neither of them have made the posts that stutters has? Like...I take issue with what stutters has posted. Unless they've been logging into his account and posting for him, I attribute stutters's filter to him alone.
As far as any similarities they have with his posting.
For sandro, within game, because he's had SOME contribution that stutters hasn't (again, for me in particular, he had the JX read that I disagreed with, followed up when I asked him a question, pointed out that I was wrong, etc.). Then for all the other reasons that Gonzaw dislikes/you might expect. I'm one of those people who generally fights a vet lynch on D1. I couldn't see the push for a Foolishness lynch in D1 of magical world swapping. I couldn't see the logic behind marv being on Palmar's case D1 in rock band. I am just generally against lynching vets on D1, to a fault. So I wouldn't be on sandro's ass even if people were building legitimate cases on him. I also don't think I've seen anything beyond mild suspicion directed sandro's way. Nobody seems to really be coming out and saying SANDRO IS SCUM AND WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM OVER ALL OTHERS. Just mentioning that he's absent/lazy/not contributing and maybe he's scum or maybe should be lynched, but without really pushing.
For clarity, because I haven't been looking at him as much. I found stutters scummy, I haven't unfound stutters scummy. Haven't dealt with clarity much. Lots of tiny posts, little questions. Doesn't look great. I don't buy into unfulfilled promises being a surefire scumtell, I'm NOT relying on those for stutters, but yes, clarity does promise action and not deliver.
Heck, the most interesting thing to me in clarity's filer is:On January 20 2013 13:30 Clarity_nl wrote: I would like whomever is in the lead to become mayor at any given time to act like they are a dayvig and get people going with the threat (and follow-up) of shooting them. just a funky little unique thought, in a post where he actively votes himself for mayor. It's not really anything to base a read off of, but it's the only curious thing in his filter for me.
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On January 22 2013 03:32 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:24 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 03:02 FiveTouch wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:42 FiveTouch wrote: austin, why did you fail to address the point that Oatsmaster didn't even look into the case on prplhz or comment on it, saying that he was against any mayor who wanted to lynch a lurker, and then further ended up voting for you because he liked that you were killing this particular lurker? If this is a real question, then it's because I didn't address every point that every player brought up about some guy, because I'm human, etc. If it's not a real question, knock it off. I'd like to believe I'm not for killing stutters for "lurking," but because of the actual posts he has. When I look at the posts you're talking about, I don't get full-on inconsistency from them, or at least what you're seeing. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok 5touch, I was wrong and you were right, I just feel that JX wasent scum off those 2 posts. HOWEVER, his disappearance since then is not good for him being town. I dont want to vote for a mayor that advocates lurker lynching because it removes the responsibility that the mayor has to justify his lynches. I want the mayor to not be fucking retarded and actually takes some responsibility for his actions.
What you are seeing in the second post: Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be. He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. Stutter's posted 4 posts and just disappeared, I feel that as a town player, his start wouldve been continued through the thread but it was not to be which makes me think that he is putting up a front of activity at the start to allay all suspicions then lurking his way through the rest of the game. Vote: Austinmcc Right? That's what you're really taking issue with? That he identifies Stutter as a lurker, says he is going to lurk all game? However, his first post is that he doesn't want a mayor whose policy is to lynch lurkers, because he wants an accountable mayor. That is actually WEIRD to me because I haven't seen a single mayor candidate who says "Let's lynch a lurker." Everyone seems to have actual reasons for voting the folks they want to vote, or hasn't given a specific candidate, afaik. So...that's just a funky statement given that, in my mind, there is no mayoral candidate with the platform that Oats is against a mayoral candidate having. That aside, I don't see the second post as fully inconsistent with the first. If you pull out different phrases, it matches up. Show nested quote +Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be. He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. He seems to have reasons to vote me besides my choice of lynch. While that may be playing a part, he at least identifies a couple things that I have done/said. When he references me and stutter, he says that he agrees with my lynch target after reading my reasoning. My reasoning is not "stutter is lurking kill stutter." So to me, that goes find with the first post. I'm not advocating lurker lynching at all, I've advocating stutter-lynching. He at least has paid lip-service to the idea that I have reasoning behind that advocacy. You're so fluffy, you post a lot but tend to manage to miss the main highlights. 1) Oats doesn't want to have a mayor who wants to lynch lurkers 2) Oats does not comment on prplhz at all 3) Oats likes your Stutters lynch, at least in part because "...he has 4 posts...then [he's going to] lurk his way through the game" Why is Oats not commenting on prplhz at all? Why is he liking the lurking aspect of the Stutters case when being completely against it for the mayor? Why did Oats attack me repeatedly and tarnish my motives, and then say "I bleed town"? Yeah yeah, I'm fluffy. And you ask lots of rhetorical questions, or questions aimed at the wrong party. Oats does not comment on prplhz, that's true. Nobody but oats can tell you why. I read what you have as (1) and (3) here differently than you do, but again, only Oats knows what's happening in Oatsbrain. I find point (1) odd, that post odd, because he seems to be giving this generic "I don't want a mayor who is just going to lynch a lurker" thought, when NO mayoral candidate wanted to do that. That thought, vocalizing it out of nowhere in the middle of a post, IS weird. But I find his later bit liking a stutters lynch to be in harmony with the earlier post, because it's NOT a lurker lynch. I'm not proposing lynching stutters because he's lurking, so I don't see why supporting me would run afoul of not wanting to elect a mayor who wants to lurker lynch. I'm not arguing that you're simply lynching a lurker, the thing is that his main summary for *him* agreeing with your read is the lurking aspect. I ask rhetorical questions to bring you around to a different way of thinking. Frankly your assuredness that Stutters is mafia, combined with the fact you dismiss the prplhz wagon for nebulous reasons, is bizarre to say the least: Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 01:41 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 01:35 FiveTouch wrote:On January 22 2013 01:04 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 00:44 FiveTouch wrote: austin, scumteams don't tell someone to stop posting when they're potentially in trouble. Especially they don't tell them that once the guy said he's catching up on the thread, that he shouldn't post again. So, I generally agree with this. I'll back off pushing that point. I've seen frustrated scumteams when one member who's semi-inactive gets suspicion on him early, but you're right, the general mood in QT then is to try and get the guy to be more active. Unsure if the amount of pressure that stutters has gotten this game really amounts to much though, so I'd like to try and get some focus back on him. Really one of the only defensive comments that I can remember is Bugs saying he's often scummy as town. I'm not satisfied with that, and I still don't like stutters play, even if you take out the thought that others might be telling him to keep his head down. Do you think that without that point stutters looks fine? Just looks like an inactive dude?
As to your lynch candidates, I don't like the contradiction part of the case on prplhz. Yes, he said he didn't like policy lynches and now ran on lynching chezinu. But I don't think all contradictions are scummy, and I don't think contradictory quotes from months ago in a different game + quotes from this game are particularly strong. Both the policy lynch quotes AND the early bullshit at the start of a game quotes span different games and a couple months. There's more merit to the second than the first, people say all sorts of bullshit about policy lynches, but actively saying you're against dumb/flashy entrances to get the game moving and then saying you often do that...is more troubling. In some ways, you reconcile the second contradiction with your own filter-diving of prplhz, though. You grabbed a lot of flashy entrances, or peculiar entrances to threads, and they were from scum games. It's pretty clear that his play does not match up with his statement that he doesn't like starting games off in a certain way to get discussion going, or at least you seem to be saying that with your above post. You think only scum prplhz starts off that way and town prplhz actually practices what he previously preached? Or do you think prplhz's comment about not liking bullshit at the start of the game is bullshit itself? austin, I agree Stutters doesn't look good, and agree with what you said, apart from what I highlighted already. My issue with a Stutters lynch is that it's very similar to prplhz (bad entrance, bad followup), except prplhz has done more and worse than Stutters, so he's a better lynch. In the town games I looked at from prplhz, I did not find one instance of him entering in a 'trolly' way, as opposed to the multitude of scumgames provided. This is why I have asked prplhz to provide me with an example - I don't think it exists. I guess I'm just used to seeing prplhz get lynched early on, and most of the games I've been involved in they've been mislynches. Rock Band, looney lynching, are the ones that come to mind for town prplhz getting pressured off the bat but flipping town. I know that I've read or obsed a few games in which the same thing happened with him as mafia though, can't remember names but he claimed cop D1 in some mini and lived for a while/til endgame. I'm looking at him and stutters more, but maybe I'm just overly wary of early prplhz lynches because I keep seeing wagons get built on him that can't be derailed, whether by scum or town. Effectively prplhz gets attacked early when he's both town and scum, so you're wary of lynching into him? Given you were so keen to look into Stutters' meta, can you find a town prplhz game where he entered the game in a similar fashion to this one? (as opposed to the mafia games I referenced). The arguments against prplhz are simply far stronger than the stringy case you have on Stutters. He at least pays lip service to the fact that he likes my "reasoning" on stutters. We can't really say anything beyond going back and forth about this. Is he the towniest guy in here? No. Did I complain about your post in which you imply that I'm a bad mayor or a possibly scummy mayor because oats is voting for me? No. (Although that's a pretty bullshit post, imo). For now, stutters is still scummy to me, scummier than oats, of whom I don't really know what to make.
OH MAN. NUMBER ONE REASON TO VOTE ME. "OF WHOM I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO MAKE." DO YOU WANT ALL YOUR MAYORAL POSTS TO SOUND MAYORAL? BAM!
Looking through the couple recent town games that prplhz played in, not really. He was relatively splashy in rock band. 2nd real post of the game was him saying:On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is?
Followed by the third real post of the game, + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:08 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote: I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be name my band . Not the same, but still splashy/creative to some extent. I also know BH made an entire case on prplhz that was ALMOST believable just based off his entrance post - + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? You only ask this question or similar when you roll scum. Scum games where you asked the question:GSL Open: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925&user=126438You open this game with Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote: hello
everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum
also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?
thanks DF Mini: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346&user=126438You wait quite a bit after the game start to open up with this: Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:38 prplhz wrote: Hey didn't read thread yet can anybody tell me who is scum? The scum game in which you don't ask this question, you aggressively push a Policy Lynch of MrZ because he's a terrible player: Movie Star: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=346522&user=126438And you open the attack like this: Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 07:38 prplhz wrote: I always do stuff. If you didn't notice, before I died I pointed out the last two scum. Everybody was just lynching me because of something someone else did which sucked out my motivation but I still read thread and filters.
How exactly is zentor in a game that he /outed? What these openers all have in common is that they generate discussion and let you make accusations without backing them up, doing analysis, or generating associative tells. Obviously it's not perfect, since you caught some heat for it in Movie star, but you deflected the heat rather expertly in my opinion. Now, admittedly, the link between this openings seems tenuous at first glance. But the difference between how you open as scum and how you open as town is like night and day-- I've hosted and co-hosted enough games with you in it to tell the difference (yes, that's an appeal to authority, but it's a legitimate appeal). Obviously, I want people to evaluate the evidence for themselves, so I'm gonna point out some Town games where you could have asked this question or similar, but quite notably did not, because you actually do the work yourself as Town. In fact, you never ask the question as town. Notably, you don't ask the question in the following games that had smurfs or people you hadn't played with before. Town games, in which you don't ask the question:Mad Men Mini: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&user=126438In this game, you roll town, and here's your opening post: Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote: And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 10:43 prplhz wrote: Last time you did whatever you also had some alignment (presumably). Should we read anything into this? (The answer is: maybe, but probably not)
This is my first normal size game in a while 'cause I have a hard time simply reading 300 pages, especially if it's all dumb spam. I don't want this to happen this game. I understand and tolerate that some players have a style that requires them to post more than others but please don't get into yelling contests 'cause we can all agree that those are bad for town. Really bad for town. Do I need to remind you of VisceraEyes vs marvellosity in Normal Mini Mafia II? This is a real town post. Yeah, you get lynched D1 but you start off with not just some general platitudes about posting, you actually encourage the players you don't know to post. You don't ask inane questions. You're fearless, and aren't afraid to vote first (link) and ratchet up the pressure afterwards (link) which may not be the best strat, but is definitely townie. You are bullheaded with your reads and aggressive. You don't prod first then vote, you vote then prod. All this in a game in which admittedly there are people you don't know at all. It's what a townie would do. In iGrok's Mini http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=126438 you had to replace in, and this was your opening post: Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 02:37 prplhz wrote: Hey
After Liar Game I decided never to join another invite game. I simply feel outclassed because I'm simply outclassed. But then you guys needed a replacement and chaoser already had a 2 page filter and it was [M][N] so I thought what the hell. This means that I'm just going to post whatever I feel like and if some (or all) of it is dumb then you can just kiss my derriere.
chaoser had a 2 page filter and he was vanilla townie. If you look hard enough then you should be able to see that. It's going to take a while before I can get a 2 page filter and expecting me to appear hyper townie on day1 (well, my day1) is pretty silly.
Think we're at night 2 so I should have a good 48 hours to read the thread and form some reads. Expect anything more from me and you're going to be disappointed. If you really feel that chaoser was scum then I can only tell you to read his filter again or be wrong. Obviously some of this was necessitated by replacing in for a lurking townie N1. But what's your followup? How does a town prplhz charge into a difficult game? Why, he votes first (link) and provides evidence and support later (link) (link) (link)
This covers just about everything going back through July, with one notable exception: You rolled scum in Normal Mini II and proceeded to play a highly worthless scumgame http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058&user=126438 consisting mostly of votes and one-liners. I hope we'd lynch you for anything like this, but this is the one game that doesn't fit into this meta-analysis of your play this game, so I thought I'd bring it up. Scum prplhz doesn't ALWAYS ask inane questions / take baseless positions-- once, he voted randomly and only posted one-liners. Still, I think the evidence is clear: prplhz as scum likes to ask dumb questions and take stances that don't reveal any scumhunting, and prplhz as town is aggressive with his vote and follows it up with questioning, rather than carefully prodding first. Town prplhz is fearless and not afraid to die to prove his point. He's not cautious. He's also not present this game. This is scum prplhz. Scum prplhz does vague prodding like he has in this game (link) and unhelpful questioning (his entire filter lol)Also, from a purely analytical perspective, this isn't what a townie does. As a townie, yes, you ask questions, but you ask questions that are reasonable and that force people to respond in ways that reveal their scumminess. When you ask someone a question, you do it to pressure them and to get information. You do it for the town. Town prplhz would NOT ask this question: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? Because Town ANYBODY would not ask that question. Numerous people answered it instantly (and also noted that prplhz already knew the answer himself) and it looked, at first, like it was a discussion-generator. It's not. Randomly regurgitating what games someone has replaced into isn't discussion. Prplhz isn't discussing things. He's just slapping shit in the thread and hoping we let him skate by. He's husslin us. No more husslin. ##vote: prplhzcome at me bro
Perhaps it's just that. I almost got caught up in "Look at prplhz's first post this game guys, he always posts like this when scum" before. And it was just a bullshit get discussion started case, despite looking decent, and prplhz DID end up getting mislynched D1. Not directly because of that case, but it certainly put him in the public eye, and his responses to that stupid case were a lot of what did him in.
Sure, it's nebulous/bizarre. But it is what it is. I just don't like the prplhz lynch today.
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On January 22 2013 05:45 Toadesstern wrote: what if I post something that makes me almost certainly town for everyone and also a damn good candidate for being sheriff. Should I do that and would people be voting me if I did it? I will assume you're signaling your Captain Planet buddies and accuse you of being scum, based on historical evidence.
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On January 22 2013 04:58 Stutters695 wrote: I voted toad because his style seems much easier to read than yours, chezinus, or palmars to me. I even was doubting Palmar after the d1 lynch, and I had a scumread on you that was wrong almost the entire game. Toads style feels much more like my own and I think that will help us analyze why he would do whatever he does after becoming mayor. Stutters, this post.
Are you basing your mayoral vote on...who is easiest to read?
Also, I'm concerned about the "Toad's style feels like my own" --> "that will help us analyze what he does" bit.
A lot of your defense to my suspicions of you revolved around people not reading you properly or you always getting called out/suspected for certain things.
On January 22 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote: Well I was reading in order, didn't see Austin's more recent posts.
1) I get accused of that every game. Falls back to the I suck d1 stuff. Up to you if you believe it, but it happened in YANMM and Whose Line.
2) Weird if you're experienced maybe, but to me I wasn't sure how often a mayor mislynch happens because the first posts in that matter made it seem like an eventuality rather than a possibility. My thinking was that people probably have discussed this in past games and it still resulted in a mayor mislynch. Thus I was asking if using the mayor to force reads out of someone hard to read makes sense. I felt Toad answered it well in the ensuing discussion so I felt no.need to follow it up.
3) You said in the previous post I quoted that I keep the thread informed and come back with actual thoughts. That's true sometimes, but I don't always see something to immediately follow up on. This happened in pretty much every game I play. Again people have attacked me for this.
4)I have a detailed post on this in YANMM but I believe that full disclosure (unless there is some gambit like Proms in the same game) is the best course of action. So when you ask me something and I say "yes, but" you're going to hear why I did it. You may think the reason for a particular instance may be scummy but over the course of the game it will show a clear town mindset and show how I reasoned whatever conclusion I come to. If you think that you play a poor D1, and think that people attack you for stuff you do every game, then why would you want a mayor whose play you find similar to yours? If people actually suspect you every game, doesn't that indicate that you're easy to misread, and that a player similar to you as mayor would NOT be easy to analyze?
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On January 22 2013 06:08 DearestSnot wrote: you mean austin? I have no votes. Congrats on hitting 44!
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On January 22 2013 06:22 Vivax wrote: Toad, I think it's of vital importance that austin doesn't get a seat. If there is no extra supporter to elect you Chezinu is my next favourite over austin. When did the change in heart occur, and what brought it about?
On January 20 2013 19:51 Vivax wrote:I have questions, too: - Who would vote for gonzaw (JieXian; check) or Chezinu (debears;check)?
On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: ## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah.
On January 21 2013 09:20 Vivax wrote: Why would you want to vote for Chezinu? That is something people that don't care about town would do. I wouldn't put my faith into a guy who speaks in riddles.
On January 21 2013 10:09 Vivax wrote: 2. I don't want to vote for Chezinu cause he trolls and is almost impossible to read. The Chezinu rule has nothing to do with this, you're just mentioning it for I don't know what reason. Probably cause you can't explain why you ignore everyone else speaking against a Chezinu mayor. On January 22 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote: Seriously, stay the fuck away from gonzaw and austin. I'd rather have Chezinu mayor than these two.
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On January 22 2013 06:22 Vivax wrote: Toad, I think it's of vital importance that austin doesn't get a seat. If there is no extra supporter to elect you Chezinu is my next favourite over austin.
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On January 22 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote: It's simple austin, cause I don't trust you. I'd rather have a troll have the seat than someone who might be scum. Alright, but you became remarkably inconsistent.
On January 22 2013 06:24 Vivax wrote: Cause town could simply admit to have made a mistake. JX is clearly afraid of looking bad to the point that he makes up shit.
On January 21 2013 11:27 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 11:22 sandroba wrote:On January 21 2013 11:18 austinmcc wrote:On January 21 2013 11:14 sandroba wrote:On January 21 2013 11:08 austinmcc wrote:Sand, You found JX scummy for his early post: + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote:Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 14:18 gonzaw wrote: Axle, in pre-game did you want to be mayor or not? I never fully understood that.
Why would you vote Chezinu before any other guys? Is it just his "Imma be serious" claim? These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once.
regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed.
Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them.
In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town.
And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game.
Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753 it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence.
If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due.
I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong.
Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people.
Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed.
As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall.
So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.??
An association case. Arnarnion and Oats.
In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles.
Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of,
Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town)
The question is which?
I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes?##Vote: gonzaw for mayor
And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. [B]On January 20 2013 18:41 sandroba wrote: I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all. I actually found that post kind of townie: [B]On January 21 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote: As to JieXian himself, I'm ... not scummy atm. Por queeeeeeeeeeeeeee? Because he's got ONE post really (his chezinu comment doesn't count) *snipped** Look at that post. Things that I like in that post, although small: - he asks how to vote for mayor/lynch, in thread. If he were scum, could have asked in QT (Yes, it's an easy thing for scum to do, but it's still slightly townie)
- similarly, I find silly paranoia to be townie, like toad being a possible jester (again, can be faked)
- actually did a small amount of work, went to another game, found a weird axle post
Small thoughts, but that single post is all I have to go on, and that post feels townie to me. Sandro's pointed out reasons he found that post scummy, but I actually find the "irrelevant comments" that Sandro DISLIKES to be things that I get a mild town read off of. You disagree with that in the entirety? Or just still find that post scummy overall? Yes i dissagree. 1st point is often advised to new mafia players to do. 2nd point you are actually crazy and don't know what you are saying. He is talking about toad in another game, so it's completely irrelevant to this one. 3rd point if anyone was reading the pregame banter, that's actually a completely useless and obvious thing to point out. Okay, fair enough. And yes, that's true for the third point. But he felt the need to go to some other game and grab a quote from there instead of any of the 25 odd pregame posts. I just don't share your read on that post. The second point was just that I overvalue paranoia as a townie, and so when he suggested toad was a jester in a game where we have all the roles in the OP, I just read that as mildly townie paranoia about roles/setup Man, he is not suggesting toad is jester in this game at all, he is talking about the previous 6 man game they played together. #readingcomprehension I don't has it.
If you don't trust me, I don't think you're properly reading my play, but your read is your read. However, I'm confused both by you being anti-Chezinu all game and now being okay voting him, AS WELL AS this comment. If it's townie to admit a mistake, and one of your main gripes with me is me picking out that jester thing from JX's early post, which I later noted WAS a mistake, then...that should be townie in your eyes?
I'm just not finding these trains of thought to be consistent. Either you wouldn't actually find someone townie when they admit a mistake, or you've got some sort of extra criteria that you aren't telling us/aware of (which could potentially just be "how does this person feel about JX?").
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On January 22 2013 06:08 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:08 DearestSnot wrote: you mean austin? I have no votes. You winning now! 44 to 43
On January 22 2013 06:40 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:32 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote: It's simple austin, cause I don't trust you. I'd rather have a troll have the seat than someone who might be scum. Alright, but you became remarkably inconsistent. #4, its important. On January 15 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:4. Vivax /tinfoilhat
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On January 22 2013 06:46 Vivax wrote: You all (debears, mkfuba, austin) must be really super-convinced that austin and JX are town if you flak me like that for a tentative scum read.
What exactly do you want me to do? Isn't it electing austin? To lynch whom? Stutters for playing like I know him from D1? No thanks.
Look, I find people suspicious who shovelled shit at me for my absence. I find people super suspicious who instead of posting their reasoning about it (like gonzaw did=semi-admitting that it wasn't a good point and in the end null cause I was sleeping)
write that they had a reason to do so cause of some outer reason that has nothing to do with their thinking (the US tag), which then turns out to be wrong.
When called out for it, they don't answer.
Tell me, wouldn't you suspect scum behind it? You seem to be really convinced that he is town. I'm remarkably convinced that I am town, yes. I'm not convinced that JX is town.
I mainly just want to be able to tell what everyone is thinking and WHY, which I can't do if you are inconsistent. Like before you didn't trust me and thought I might be scum. Now you don't want to elect me because I'll lynch stutters, a townread of yours. Let alone the fact that the sheriff wouldn't lynch anyone, and that is the position that seems to be in contention here. So it should be based again on thinking I might be scum, not based on who I might lynch.
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How come nobody is going after the wank-fiend's vote?
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On January 22 2013 07:09 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote: How come nobody is going after the wank-fiend's vote? ? The hammer is my penis.
The wank-fiend is Annul
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Toad. Tell me why I shouldn't be worried about your coy/cryptic question when you were so willing to out your role in LV in order to be mayor.
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