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On January 24 2013 08:30 Vivax wrote:
Hey grush, what did you want to achieve by contacting a town yamato and then doing almost nothing?
Any more conversations?
@ mkfuba
Do you have a read on gonzaw?
I thought he was town most of the way through D1 iirc (I believe I even said I would be willing to vote him for mayor after FT or austin), but I haven't given him too much thought since then. I'll get a better read out after I've pinpointed what I find most compelling about FT's case against oats.
Actually have to run to the store now. Updates will be delayed, but I'll try try try to get them in before I get to bed tonight.
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FiveTouch, one thought:
If you have two non-Toad, non-Grush masons in contact with you, and both contacted Chezinu D1, that is something that points towards a townie Chezinu to me. Neither of them outed themselves to the thread, and we know that mafia has a MAX of two people who can ever mason.
If those two are mafia masons, chezinu is almost certainly not mafia (barring some ENORMOUS mindfuck play on their part like scumtoad and scumsand COULD have done D1). No reason for BOTH mafia masons, including the guy who only has 1 shot, to mason a scumbuddy.
If those two aren't, and only 1 or 0 are mafia, then Chezinu knew the identity of 1-2 town masons D1. Mafia could have killed a mason with basically no repercussions N1, AND given that you have both as strong town reads, it's possible that one of the masons was a strong townie D1. Passing up the chance to kill someone who is a mason AND a decent townread seems farfetched.
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On January 24 2013 05:49 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 05:38 DearestSnot wrote:On January 24 2013 05:34 Vivax wrote:
Your head is full of shit, Bugs. I'm going to press this game into your meme-throbbing head forever. I'd tone down the arrogance if I were you, given that your reads so far this game have been proven to be awful. You have no position to talk like this, and I'd suggest that if you want to be respected and for your opinion to be valued that you take time to cool off. Otherwise, I'm just going to ignore you, since your recent posting has been nothing more than a cancer to town. On January 24 2013 05:33 FiveTouch wrote:
Stutters - I notice that you have either only defended yourself or commented on nothing relevant all game. We have no idea who you want to lynch. Given we're 4 game days in, why is this exactly?
Broodking - you are even lurkier than normal. Why are you not participating in town discussion in any way? I'm having doubts about Chezinu. Want to talk about it? Specifically, I can't reconcile why Chezinu would not vote for me or you when he claimed to have an interest in lynching prplhz. That's literally the only reason I have him down as town-he wanted to kill prplhz. However, his last minute vote switch from himself to austin/gonzaw seemed as if he wanted to accomplish something with it. Toad had 4 votes and gonzaw/austin had 3 each. Do you think it's possible that scum were trying to get someone other than Toad into that position? I believe at the time it was known that Toad was a mason, correct? I believe him when he says that he is busy due to school, but unlike last game, he has no reads that I can really recall. His only read on prplhz was based on his rule. Chezinu is interesting. Yes, we can take the prplhz thing for granted now. But we've had nothing since then. I know that Chezinu was masoned with two people and was more active in PMs than he was here. What we're missing from Chezinu, though, are his reads, no matter how he wants to deliver them. Because actually Chezinu's attack of prplhz could have come from a mafia Chez - it could have been a joking bus or an easy way to contribute; he didn't know that you and then me would run with it. In short, I understand your doubts and share them. I had him as leaning town previously, but his vote-switching plus lack of contributions have moved him back to null at best for me. There's also the issue that he may have been lying, although it's Chez and I may have misread the context or misinterpreted: Original Message From Chezinu:
but I don't really. He's not that good at finding mafia. He could be mafia... but you can't judge him based on his reads. Well, even if he is mafia - he could persuade mafia not to kill me. I would kill him last.
The last game I had thoughts that he was mafia, but in the end he was town.Good thing I didn't go after him for the sole reason of roleplay.The player that Chezinu is talking about, he has not played with before. I'm struggling to work out what to make of this.
I did last game!
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On January 24 2013 06:07 FiveTouch wrote:
He's talking about Mocsta.
Wrong!
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On January 24 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote:
Can Chezinu the brown try to bring some clarity into the mason matter obfuscated by the corrupt mayor? Mafia has a max of 1 mason and 1 day of masoning from a JOAT. Mason is a strong role.
At MOST, if both were actually in contact with Chezinu, one of the masons is town and one is scum. The other possibility is both town. Unless they're going for a giant mindfuck, we can be CERTAIN that him outing the masons he is in contact with today means outing town masons.
That is bad.
PARANOIA - + Show Spoiler +It is entirely possible that there are not two masons in contact with FT today and he's just fishing for reactions/thoughts.
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If Chezinu doesn't play along and also comment on the alleged lie he made I don't think I can feel confident about what you're thinking now austin.
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On January 24 2013 08:45 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote:
Can Chezinu the brown try to bring some clarity into the mason matter obfuscated by the corrupt mayor? Mafia has a max of 1 mason and 1 day of masoning from a JOAT. Mason is a strong role. At MOST, if both were actually in contact with Chezinu, one of the masons is town and one is scum. The other possibility is both town. Unless they're going for a giant mindfuck, we can be CERTAIN that him outing the masons he is in contact with today means outing town masons. That is bad. PARANOIA - + Show Spoiler +It is entirely possible that there are not two masons in contact with FT today and he's just fishing for reactions/thoughts.
Its true the two masons who talked to be, I told them to contact the mayor next. I gave them reasons why too. Remembers my plans that a mason or veteran can save the mayor?
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I'd rather start making assumptions about the masons when all cards lay on the table.
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On January 24 2013 08:17 FiveTouch wrote:
There's no reason for you not to comment on the leading contenders for lynch though, Stutters. The work is done for you by others.
Agreed. Unless someone has a reason why annul is town though he's my #1 choice. The others I need to finish their interactions but I don't see them as better candidates currently.
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As for who I was talking about. I guess you want a confirmation about the pm?
not about to but another
a loyal servant it was
Hope you can solve the above.
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On January 24 2013 08:52 Vivax wrote:
If Chezinu doesn't play along and also comment on the alleged lie he made I don't think I can feel confident about what you're thinking now austin.
Regardless of whether he lied or not, the following things are absolutely true.
Mafia has 0-1 masons
Mafia has 0-1 JOATs
Mafia JOATs have 1 day of mason power
If both players spoke with Chezinu and with FT, then at least one of the players speaking to FT today is a town mason.
If both players did NOT speak with Chezinu and with FT, then: (1) one of those players AND Chezinu are scum [two players outed - a mafia JOAT and Chezinu as mafia buddy]; or (2) FT is scum/lying [and either isn't masoned today with 2 people
So if you want FT to out the masons, EITHER FT is already scum or lying and can continue to do so OR you out at least one town mason.
For...what? Us to have their identities? That'd be nice, but that's not an upside that justifies naming them.
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stop assuming things about the number of mafia masons, the number is unclear according to the language in the OP.
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On January 24 2013 08:58 DearestSnot wrote:
stop assuming things about the number of mafia masons, the number is unclear according to the language in the OP.
I was about to say the exact same thing. Ninja'd 
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Mafia can have more than 1 mason. At least that's what the OP suggests.
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On January 24 2013 08:58 DearestSnot wrote:
stop assuming things about the number of mafia masons, the number is unclear according to the language in the OP.
Shhhh...I are read good.
DISREGARD ALL THIS CRAP I'VE POSTED IN THE LAST HOUR
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So 5touch, who do you trust more the one closer to the end of the alphabet or the one closer to the beginning? use second letter if same letter for first letter etc..
I trusted the end more. Hopefully they sent you all the messages. Did one happen to get the IRC logs? I lost mine.
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Being in PMland and then having a midterm kills the thread activity! I wanted to say that earlier but I couldn't out my circles! I like my circles!
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You hears that mafiaz! My circle will rise! The brown brotherhood is realz!
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5touch if you did get the logs, you should totally read my thread. There is a special number there. Its in bold.
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