EPTOn January 25 2013 06:39 Vivax wrote:
We should join our mystic forces.
We should join our mystic forces.
Please no.
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Do you think that Gonzaw is a mafia mason, was framed, or that you have linked up with a Decepticon? Or, some other option that nobody has suggested yet but would explain things. | ||
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On January 25 2013 06:47 grush57 wrote: Well I don't think there would be a high chance of him being framed, he was pretty townie so I doubt they would use a frame on him, and if Vivax was right and we don't lynch him mafia will probably kill vivax. Mafia mason maybe, I don't think Vivax was lying so he is probably some kind of scum. Alright. Do you believe that the teenage mutant ninja turtles must be normal turtles who turtle around in some ooze, or are you okay with them being aliens? | ||
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Is anyone around that isn't Vivax or Acro? Is anyone interested in considering a frame? I've got to run to dinner soon, may or may not be back before lynch, but I keep refreshing and am getting this sinking feeling that everyone slapped a vote down and zoned out, waiting for the lynch. | ||
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On January 25 2013 07:19 DearestSnot wrote: Because I was voting oats before switching to gonzaw, oats is still my strongest read, and I'm still not down with the idea of leaving him up just because he's a bodyguard. why are you voting Oats? wtf? I think everyone should really reconsider Chezinu. I am still not feeling like people really are considering him. He's a weird player in that most people simply will ignore a lot of what he says, but I personally don't find that conducive to actually learning how to read him. He is displaying a stark contrast in his game here to his game in LVIII, and his only real activity recently has been throwing dirt on my case and saying that I am not to be trusted, contradicting what I have to say, etc. He hasn't put forth any reads and he certainly doesn't seem interested in telling us who he thinks the lynch should be. Now, he kinda gets an excuse out of that, since gonzaw is most certainly going to die. We have only a few hours left in day 2, and any player who, at this point, like BKE or Chezinu, has no reads, is probably scum. I can recognize that it's ... not the best thought process to have, but I'm resistant to the idea of lynching someone who hasn't done ANYTHING really, even when that's more or less the basis for lynching them, this early - BKE, Chez, Grush. Holding out hope for a/some vigis or JOATs. As to Chez, we have more to go on there than with the other players - he has been involved in at least two masonings, if everyone is telling the truth. That should give us more to go on, and the masons he was with can share their thoughts at some point. If we're going to go after a heavy lurker, I'd prefer a not-Chezinu, because it seems there's more to Chezinu than just what's been in thread. | ||
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On January 25 2013 07:53 debears wrote: Austin, here's the problem with not lynching Gonzaw: We don't figure out anything about either of them. What are the odds of mafia framing a townie at the early stage of the game? That would mean that mafia, heading into n1 was comfortable with the main targets of suspicion. After a prplhz lynch, I wouldn't think that all the mafia would be well hidden and not under suspicion. Phonepost. If we don't lynch gonzaw, AND neither dies tonight, AND nobody checks gonzaw AND nobody checks vivax if he isn't framed, then and only then do we find out.nothing. Except we do find out something, the alignment of whoever we DO lynch. Right now, if we flip scum gonzaw then we find out he's scum and vivax almost certainly town cop. If we flip him and he's town, we find out... He's town and either was framed or vivax lying. You're overestimating the info we gain FOR SURE from a flip, and it's not more/much more than what is gained from. Any other lynch | ||
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On January 25 2013 07:46 DearestSnot wrote: I don't think all 3 mafia. Given no mason claims, I think frame more likely than gonzaw scum.so you're encouraging mafia to not do anything, is that what I'm supposed to understand from this post? You STILL want to lynch Oats despite the fact that 1. We pretty much have to kill gonzaw/vivax. 2. This is a strong indication that Oats is not actually mafia. Think about it, if gonzaw is scum why would he run on a platform that preferred lynching Oats to prplhz? The only possible answer to that is all 3 were scum, but that idea is so preposterous that I can't believe anyone would ever seriously consider it. Secondly, you state a bunch of shit about not being willing to lynch people who aren't doing anything, when that's basically the modus operandi of scum this game. Just look at prplhz and gonzaw, neither of them did jack shit. In fact, it's what scum do in MOST games. They sit around and pretend to do shit when in reality they aren't doing anything at all. So why the aversion to lynching players like Chezinu and BKE when as town you expect them to formulate reads? Why encourage that type of play? Why encourage mafia to continue to lurk and noob townies to continue to do nothing? As to aversion to lynching inactive, yes, scum hide in inactivrs. And we let them. Always. Whatever causes us to let them in other games causes me to do so here. Or at the very least, I don't want some late-in-the-cycle whakc-a-lurker game. Bugs. Why didn't gonzaw mason anyone? If he's scum, why didn't he mason? Every person who is voting him needs to have an answer to that imo. | ||
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On January 25 2013 08:30 Stutters695 wrote: I've considered the possibility of a frame but it feels like an awful lot has to line up for that to be true. Vivax would have to have picked the same target as the farmer first of all which is possible but unlikely and we won't learn much of anything in addition to rushing a lynch. Why didn't gonzaw, as a mason, mason people? | ||
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On January 25 2013 08:32 FiveTouch wrote: absolutely Dick all.austin, it's one and a half hours from the flip, and several hours since Vivax released his check. What has gonzaw done in the meanwhile? He did do stuff in aperture 2 and acant believe mini when he was town and attacked. But...why didn't he mason anyone? I don't think he is getting lynched for his response here, nobody is pulling up past games and arguing meta. This is a lynch based.on a check that popped out a role which doesn't make sense to me here. | ||
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On January 25 2013 10:43 FiveTouch wrote: prplhz was also on you at the end of voting. He may have wanted to stick and hope to get you to lynch someone else, since you didn't announce until right at deadline, but he + any scumbuddy could have moved gonzaw. So, if Broodking and Chezinu are both mafia, they could have got gonzaw into the Sheriff position Day 1. Broodking voted for himself 3 minutes from deadline, and then Chezinu voted for gonzaw. It could be, though, that BKE is just useless and came back to avoid the modkill and vote for himself, and is mafia. | ||
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On January 25 2013 11:44 DearestSnot wrote: Chezinu is up there for me. Gonzaw was pretty high too for me, especially after how he responded to the NKs. That's why I pushed them both over Oats today, but the town resisted both. Stop resisting good lynches :p I'd love to, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards | ||
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On January 26 2013 01:39 FiveTouch wrote: Both less telling than the third reason, he refused to answer the question about dogs and snowmenThere are two good reasons that Axle could be mafia. Firstly, his significant drop-off in activity. Secondly, the mayoral candidates he supported on Day 1 were firstly Chezinu, and then gonzaw. This is suspicious by itself. | ||
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On January 26 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote: What I say is not related to your true alignment. People can laugh about me, I can deal with that. You tell medics to protect randomly into these 3 people. What do you think a medic is going to do upon reading this? I don't know either. Then you aim for Bugs. Chance for you not protecting the best townie AND not roleblocking the mafia jack? 2/3 * 1/2 * 100 = 33 % Chance for you not doing that AND scum hitting the right guy among sandro and Bugs: 1/3 * 1/2 = 1/6 = roughly 16 % In truth it should be even smaller. You said yourself that Djo and JX were retarded NK targets. Can you find a game a recent game in which mafia was trying to direct night actions in this manner? The last time or two I've seen it, including times when the list of prot targets had scum in it, it was a townie doing that. It does not mean that Toad is townie, or that everyone who directs night actions like this is townie. But it does mean that everyone who does this is not necessarily scum. | ||
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On January 26 2013 05:52 yamato77 wrote: Thought I made it pretty explicit.Austin why would you not want to lynch Gonzaw after that check? Voted him after the check. Then got hung up on why Gonzaw, as a mason, didn't mason anybody. Could not understand why he wouldn't do so, so felt it was more likely that he was not a mason and something was up. Still believed that Vivax wasn't lying, so if I don't believe Gonzaw was a mason, have to assume he was framed. That also fit more with my read on his posts, which I found townie. | ||
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I didn't move my vote until decently late, and didn't start pushing the framing idea until decently late in the cycle. If I really wanted to save someone who was a scumbuddy, I should have been pushing earlier and harder, instead of late in the cycle when it seemed like a lost cause. And while talking about the frame, I noted that a player can only be framed once. What I wanted to do was lynch Oats and DT check Gonzaw again N2. Yes, this wastes a/multiple town DT checks, which is beneficial to scum, but it ALSO ensures that Gonzaw gets caught if we actually took that path. If I'm actually trying to SAVE a scumbuddy, then I recommended a strange course of action. Perhaps a short-term win in terms of using up DT checks (if people followed my plan), but it wouldn't save Gonzaw and I'd be making myself pretty visible when I could have just kept my vote on gonzaw. | ||
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On January 26 2013 06:27 Vivax wrote: No.Did you just claim DT? | ||
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On January 22 2013 06:15 mkfuba07 wrote: Yes I'm doing x, but ...You actually think it's impossible for me to be town based on my posts? I'll be the first to admit that I'm bringing little to the table right now (no one is constantly aware of it as much as I am), but I'm giving what I can. I don't see how I'm 100% scum, especially when I know that it's just the opposite. It's that same thing I pointed out in one of your early posts D1, something that I find to indicate mafia posts. His bit isn't as explicit as saying "I'm doing this specific thing, but I'm also doing these other things," however, it falls into that pattern. | ||
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