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Wavering back and forth on whether bodyguards should be outed. We have possible medics, possible jacks who could act as medics, and toad's sheriff power. Even if scum install two scum bodyguards, they can't be guaranteed to hit all three targets that would know the identity of the bodyguards. Moreover, if they fail to kill toad, there's the chance he masons someone tomorrow and is comfortable giving out the identities of the bodyguards to THAT player, and then killing FT/toad/sandro still doesn't hide the identities of the bodyguards if both are scum. Just seems like "all-in" doesn't even describe how risky a play 2 scum bodyguards would be, because there's a decent chance you give up half your team for a SHOT at killing 3 players on N1. That said, off the top of my head I don't see a ton of downside in giving out the names, because we hit mafia on D1 and protective roles could just as easily screw up mafia's ability to take out town bodyguards, except for Toad's jail. Just as a side note, we're also almost guaranteed to out a mafia later in the game because of the mafia mason. I found it incredibly unlikely that you'd hold your mason power D1 if you/sand were scum Toad, and I also find it incredibly unlikely that ANY mason would hold that power. So it's likely that SOMEONE was contacted by the mafia mason during D1. I don't think we need to force mason claims right now, but I remember mad men having some mafia masons get caught just because of their roles, and it's bound to happen here as well. Assuming we're already zeroing in on a list of a few players for tomorrow's lynch, if any of them masoned someone D1, the masonee should go ahead and out the mason if the masonee shares the general suspicion of that player. /unrelatedspeculationoff | ||
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On January 23 2013 04:38 yamato77 wrote: Yes, I am. There are a couple compartmentalized discussions going on right now, but the mason bit is something I don't think should get left behind while these other things are happening.Austin, I already outed Grush as mason. Are people reading my filter? Your outing Grush as a mason does not mean we only have 2 masons, however. It's entirely possible that we had more than 2 people masoned on D1 (between regular masons OR the mason ability of a jack), and the possible-non-you masonees need to be considering who masoned them and what went on in chat. More just something that I don't want to get lost, I was writing that post during the time Sandroba posted, and it looks a little more unnecessary that it did when we'd gone pages without bringing up you/grush/masons in general and didn't want that to get lost. | ||
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On January 23 2013 06:02 annul wrote: I don't know that I've ever played against scumtoad, tbh.i also think its funny how toad is SHERIFF (aka cant be DT'd) and he and vivax i suspected the most. now toad wants me dead too. hmmmm. also, mafias get "some number" of masons in addition to any other roles they have. his mason post means absolutely nothing. also, we have absolutely no way to confirm that those are real logs, or that they haven't been doctored in any way, etc. its funny cuz toad uses his mason as "town cred" and he is sheriff which cannot be DT'd... and mafia can mason day 1 all the same... Do you believe scumtoad would start swinging more votes towards him by half-claiming mason like this: On January 22 2013 05:45 Toadesstern wrote: When the logic is kind of crappy given that there are mafia masons? Serious question. I don't actually have a great handle on what his reputation is, exactly, as scum.what if I post something that makes me almost certainly town for everyone and also a damn good candidate for being sheriff. Should I do that and would people be voting me if I did it? Secret paranoia spoiler:+ Show Spoiler + This post is almost funny given DearestSnot's identity: On January 20 2013 13:33 Toadesstern wrote: But also makes me paranoid worried that, in the case that one of those two DOES flip mafia, the other may be as well. Assuming that when smurfing, one reveals himself to his mafia teammates if he rolls mafia, which may or may not be the norm.I think grush should under no circumstance get ANYWHERE close to a position of power. I'd rather vote WBG to be mayor than you. Luckily he's not in the game. | ||
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Here is a kitten ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8VIwuym.jpg) We/FiveTouch lynched scum D1. That is good. That is fantastic. We have some low/no-activity players, that is not good (and I've been one of them the last 24 hours). But that's also relatively normal for a large game. We're in a good position. All of half the accusations have become super negative, and people are getting sucked in to responding to negativity with negativity. Be the kitten instead. The kitten is not negative. If you're just SUSPICIOUS of someone, or less-sure than others about that person's townieness, that's fine. That's probably helpful, to just bring it up and challenge things. But if all you have is a suspicion, and you think it nearly impossible to lynch a person today (I'm thinking mainly Axle --> Toad here), watch that person, continue building your suspicion or let it drop, and eventually make a case. Everyone should know that Toad isn't confirmed, but he's neither confirmed town nor confirmed scum. Him not being confirmed isn't useful information, and while suspicion can be helpful it's NOT if you gum up the thread with it and it never gets anywhere. Wait, watch what he does, watch what others do, and if your suspicion turns into a legit scumread, make a case. Please? ANNUL If you don't want to waste energy defending yourself, fine. That's on you. But do you actually buy into the idea that a mafioso probably ran for mayor yesterday? Do you buy into BC balancing the game in terms of giving scum a solid vet? Posts like this - + Show Spoiler + NINJAVOTERS Is nobody else concerned with the rush of ninja voting we had? On January 23 2013 10:42 debears wrote: Btw, I say we take the focus of oats and me for today. I'll get nked tomorrow. If Oats is town he will too. ##vote annul ##vote double lynch Debears previous mentions of annul - 0 Debears previous mentions of oats - 0 (Although they both just got outed as bodyguards so i can understand that) Debears previous mentions of double lynches - 0 Why are you voting for a double lynch? On January 23 2013 10:52 AxleGreaser wrote: ##vote: Double Lynch Which means for those that claim dont read the OP that we Lynch two tomorrow. D3 Why are you voting for a double lynch? On January 23 2013 10:53 grush57 wrote: ##Vote: Double Lynch Why are you voting for a double lynch? (Although you didn't in the voting thread) On January 23 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote: ##Vote: Double Lynch Why are you voting for a double lynch? On January 23 2013 16:29 Mocsta wrote: Day2 ##Vote:Double Lynch Why are you voting for a double lynch? (This vote was voting thread only) I didn't snip anything from those posts. That's the entirety of those votes. Within a span of 15 minutes, we had 4 people vote for a double lynch without ever having mentioned the idea beforehand. One of those guys also voted for annul without ever mentioned him beforehand. I'm not as caught up on specific people or mini-threads that are going on to want to comment on that stuff. I thought Gonzaw was town D1. I'll reread him. Bugs I was worried about you for a while, but (VAGUE STATEMENT ALERT) I've found your posts today to be NOT getting as caught up in some of the sideshow and more towards moving in on scumreads of yours, which really says town to me when the thread has gotten kind of bogged down. But despite not being caught up, there's stuff that we're missing because people are zeroing in on a certain read and just going crazy. LOOK AT ALL THOSE NINJAVOTES. The first 4 in a tiny time period. Smells to me like there could be a nervous scum in there who threw his vote in with the rest of the pile. I don't even care that it's just votes for double lynches, I don't like that people are voting for that without seeming to give it any thought at all. Do they have two candidates they want lynched? Do they think they will? Do they think a double lynch will always be useful? Are they certain FT is town, and so want as many lynches in while we've got bonus mayoral votes? We don't know! We have no idea why some of the double lynch votes are coming in. And that's no bueno. | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:20 AxleGreaser wrote: You pointed out the speed of the annul wagon and that you were uncomfortable with it.IIRC correctly i was already voting for it so that I was not just piling on the annul so real fast wagon... A while later I said something specific about the annul wagon The double Lynch seemed self evident. I pointed out when it would happen which is the following day. I had considered at some stage if delaying it one day might better as the reads get better out there However consecutive double Lynches D3 andD4 looked fairly reasonable and it easier to slow down by going D3 D5, if you find you need the time than to speed up. It just looked right? But I couldn't find your actual thoughts on doubly lynching anywhere earlier on in your filter. You asked about it in relation to the mayor's votes, but I didn't see particularly thoughts on whether we should/shouldn't double lynch. I'm less concerned with when it would occur if we voted for it, which anyone can find, and more concerned with WHY people voted for it. Do you think a double lynch is ALWAYS good for town? Why so? If not, why is it good for THIS town in this situation? It's stuff like that. | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote: Unless I missed some crumbs or something, I don't see the reason for djo and JX to be the NKs. So I don't know how much we can speculate about the decision making of the mafia faction.yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. I think there's SOME value in doing a 1:1 split. All the assumptions during the night were that either mafia would go all in on you guys, with 2 mafia BGs, or would let it go and have two townies. The fact that nobody was really talking about 1:1 means that maybe it's just some plan to force people to think that both are the same alignment, and either keep someone alive for a day or two that might have been in trouble otherwise (oats) or perhaps keep someone alive that has an important role for them (jack? gf? this reasoning seems less likely but I guess it's a possibility, and I don't see either of those two being made gf unless they were incredibly worried about a check on oats as the day went on). | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:37 debears wrote: Austin, we have lurkers in clarity, BK, and fuba. We have a scummy annul. We have a scummy Gonzaw We had questionable nks. What reason isn't there for double lynch? 1) We have to find a way to rid of these damn lurkers 2) I am 95% sure 5touch is town. Toad is looking town to me at this point also (his alignment will be figured out anyways eventually). Use them while we got them. 3) I will very very likely die tonight. I want to help what little I can before then Gonzaw was townie to me earlier, but do need to reread in light of all this suspicion, and also I'm still working off the assumption that either they ran a serious candidate or I had mafia voters on me (IF stutters is town, which I'm still skeptical about). I'm not sure how "questionable nks" factor into whether we double lynch or not. Does that actually tie in to a double lynch for you? What reason is there to not double lynch? Uncertainty that we have two great targets, a discussion about whether we can more easily out hiding mafioso by single lynching or double (I've never actually had a double lynch game, and I wonder whether a double lynch brings scum out of the woodwork more or allows them to hide/comment on secondary targets/Ihavenoideawhatbutit'ssomethingtothinkabout). Perhaps there's no good reason not to, but look at it this way - do you find it completely fine that 4 people within 15 minutes voted double lynch without ever mentioning it before that point? Do you think it is likely that one of those is mafia jumping on the double lynch train to blend in? Whether or not a double lynch is a good idea, i find it REALLY odd that votes came in like that, all ninja, and it's more than worth asking questions about. Also, as to us having a "scummy annul," you had made NO mention of him at all before you voted for him. The rest of us can't know whether you found him scummy for your own reasons, for reasons someone else brought up, whether you're just jumping on a wagon...nothing. You call him scummy, but at the time you voted him you had never mentioned the guy. | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:04 FiveTouch wrote: I'm still under the assumption that both our elected folk are town.Just because I was musing. If Oats is town: There is a roughly 1/10 chance of Oatsmaster being randomly selected as bodyguard. If Oats is mafia: Is there a greater than 1/10 chance that Oatsmaster is put in as bodyguard? I would contend yes. If that's the case, scumoats as a BG gives him a little bit of cover when he was under pressure D1 and would probably be under pressure D2. Mafia risks outing scum BGs ONLY if they want to kill FT/Toad before the bodyguards have been outed as mafia, and they gain some towncred for the mafia BGs so long as those two are alive. I don't see a lot of downside to scum BGs, or a scum BG, in that case. If your bodyguards live, that's a day or two holding onto 2 KP, and maybe you think being a BG gives them a better chance to survive than not-BG. If town still kills them, well, by installing mafia BG(s), you made it easier to shoot the elected folk. Regardless of any other strategy involved, installing mafia BG(s) just makes it easier to get at the officials, whether they out the BGs or not. | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:15 FiveTouch wrote: Yeah, I'm fine with all the BG-stuff being put aside for now. Nobody being a BG makes them scum, but I'm 100% in agreement it doesn't also make you town. Yes, this is how I interpret it to, and you worded quite well. If, for example, mafia consider they can't save Oatsmaster from the lynch because the mayor who just lynched mafia wants him dead, mafia may as well use the opportunity to get rid of a bodyguard for free. Of course this doesn't have to be the case, but it's extremely plausible. I'll do a more substantive read this evening, but a quick check has him on BOTH the mass ninja voting group that I'm worried about AND voting for me as mayor D1 once things shifted towards FT. Granted, FT wanted to lynch him and I was more skeptical, so I don't think that's terribly strong. Need to see what I'd already said about him at the time I voted. But...I had two votes, FT had zero. Toad and FT, my voters, moved off me and over to FT, along with two others. Now 4 FT votes and 0 me votes. Djodref and oatsmaster then voted me, not right after the swap but within like 6 hoursish. Djo flipped town. I'm still pretty convinced there was scum on me. The timing on Oats's me-vote, on a quick check, fits the timing where people suddently move to FT and then I pick up a couple votes. It's just not as strong as with other players because of FT also wanting to lynch oats. The voting just doesn't make me feel good about things. I still disagree about exactly how contradictory his vote was with the lurker stuff, but nothing really looks GOOD for townoats, off the top of my head. | ||
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SLOW DOWN FOR A MOMENT AND QUIT RESPONDING TO EVERYTHING JX D1 you were all over JX. You were making reads based upon how people interacted with JX. You wrote a giant JX casewall - + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote: Please lynch JX + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: *snipped axle coherency comment* I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. *question to host and gonzaw vote* *Joking about earlier game* I took a look at what reads he meant. Written by gonz very early, probably not serious: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote: *snip Seems like sandro flipped scum again. Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town? Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with. It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote: Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread: 1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign. 2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions. It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps. There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro. However, in the next post: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made. Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol. I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence. He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters? As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor. Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it). Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him. These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads. More or less like this one in the second post after: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote: I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote: Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro. JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw). He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw. No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote: didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote: I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post. Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote: Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping. Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination? Would you say this to someone you think could be scum? JX flipped last night, and he was green. Toad You spent a while being all over Toad - + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2013 23:43 Vivax wrote: Lynch Toad, I'm willing to take full responsibility if it's a mislynch, but just lynch Toad cause it won't be. CTRL-F all of the things he quotes and says about Oats and proceed to lynch him. And many more Gonzaw You were suspicious of Gonzaw and I D1. You seem to have remained suspicious of Gonzaw, and have been voting/accusing him on and off - + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 00:35 Vivax wrote: ##Vote Gonzaw On January 24 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote: I'm not really seeing this, but I'm not paying that much attention right now. Those 3 quotes of town/scum games don't tell me much at first glance DAFUQ? Gonzaw you made this too easy for me. Hf in your qt. Mocsta After a short interaction, it looks like you might believe Mocsta is scum - + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 01:55 Mocsta wrote: Vivax.. me? My first choice is Oats, then Annul I haven't gone through Gonzaw, sorry for being so slow.. its 1am here, and with now 2 ppl i feel strongly about, i dont see the point in reviewing Gonzaw + Im stil awaiting you commentary on Oats with the shy/confidence lying. On January 24 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote: It's a good post, it convinced me. On January 24 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote: That you could be scum I mean. Yamato Then you move on to Yamato - + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 04:10 Vivax wrote: Scum Yamato, british empire mm + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote: Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum. Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add. I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play. I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake On January 08 2013 07:48 yamato77 wrote: Is your only response to my suspicion of you "lol"? Let's say I vote you tomorrow with case attached, are you going to just lol that too? Fucking useless. On January 06 2013 19:02 yamato77 wrote: Xatalos what the fuck is that post? How is Shiao voting for a lurker who eventually got replaced scummy? He wants him to be more active, and somehow that's scum motivated? His stances are not weak. He's been putting pressure on me since he made the post, and he wants to do so to you. It's not like he's just saying shit to say it. And then this gem "I guess it's about time to finally cast a vote" Or in other words: "I'm going to put this riiiiight here. Hopefully town doesn't think I'm scummy for this!" That shit is weak, bro. Town Yamato + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2012 06:07 yamato77 wrote: I told you why I'm voting for you and your responses didn't help anything. I have plenty of reason. Other people may have read this and thought the same things. Why is sheeping people with good reads a bad thing anyway? On December 21 2012 06:11 yamato77 wrote: Convince me on Vivax then. If he's so scummy make an updated case with more content. All you've done is post your read and then ask everyone else what they thought of your read. That doesn't feel like scum hunting to me. On December 21 2012 06:19 yamato77 wrote: The differ pence is focus. You keep saying Vivax is scum but you've spent a lot more time discrediting Palmer than pushing your read on Vivax. You are not scum hunting. You are throwing shit at a town player. This is my point. I'm not being hypocritical because my focus is squarely set on you. You're scum, I'm voting for you, and I'm pushing my read and defending the case. You are doing none of these things. Wiggles was really mafia in this game when yamato was talking to him. As you see, two different styles of talking to his scumreads. But check his meta for yourself guys. I know you were also suspicious of me at some point, and probably of others. There are 4 mafia remaining. Only 4. If you honestly think Toad/Gonzaw/Mocsta/Yamato are mafia, that means we have 8000000 inactive/lurky townies. If you honestly think Toad/Gonzaw/Mocsta/Yamato are mafia, that means you think that a lot of the players you think are town are SERIOUSLY wrong about some reads that they all share. It may be the case, but it's very unlikely. I have played with you in a couple games. I will assume you have reasons for doing whatever it is you're trying to do this game, whether scummy or townie reasons. But right now, you are flying off the handle at so many different people that I have more or less stopped reading your posts. Others have stopped reading your posts. If whatever you are trying to do involves "post good analysis that will be taken seriously" then you are shooting yourself in the foot. If not, carry on. I'll just ask, do you honestly believe that the 4 people you have accused within the last...36 hours or so are scum? Do you believe that's a team, or just those people are scummy and you might be wrong about one or two? Do you actually believe we have NO scum in chezinu/annul/stutters/BKE/grush/clarity/fuba (that's roughly my list of inactive or lurky players)? | ||
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On January 24 2013 05:16 gonzaw wrote: I have only skimmed them. austin, now that you are here. What do you think of the "cases" against me from Oats/Five/wbg/debears? You thought I was pretty townie on D1 and posted a bunch of reasons, do the stuff those guys pointed out change your read or not? I may have skipped it in your filter but you barely mention me I believe Gut read on you was town D1. I believe that to be correct. Things that, off the top of my head, I'm looking at tonight about you are - (1) how much some of those cases/suspicions on you are driven by the idea that we had a scum player running for mayor? (2) how much of those cases/suspicions on you are driven by us having a certain number of scum vets? I think those played a role in at least getting things rolling against you, but that was not the entirety of those cases. Your comment that you expected the NKs or whatever was RIDICULOUS in my mind. But I don't think I find it scummy? Just have to go through everything else, and reread your D1. | ||
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On January 24 2013 05:18 Vivax wrote: Look at this post and tell me how the fuck this isn't a scumslip. Find one instance of a situation where a townie could say this. Even if you take away the "as scum", how is being wanting to be elected as mayor a scumtell? I do not interpret that post as a scumslip at all. I agree with the sentiment that it is likely scum had someone running for mayor. I temper that by being almost entirely sure they either had someone(s) running for mayor OR pushed a candidate that wasn't going to lynch scum. It would be a bit ridiculous for them to just let prplhz die and do nothing, unless they thought his last minute change of heart would be enough - where he came back, voted FT, etc. A lot of people agree with that sentiment. It's not scummy to assume that scum tried to do something in the election. What you have done though is taken that expressing that sentiment somehow is a slip and makes you scum. It is not that wanting to be elected as mayor is a scumtell. It is that scum SHOULD have been trying to do SOMETHING with the lynch. A person who (1) did not run for mayor and (2) voted for someone who lynched scum is, at the very least, LESS LIKELY to be scum than someone who ran for mayor, or voted for someone who didn't want to lynch prplhz. yamato didn't run for mayor in the sense that he tried to get any sort of control over the election. yamato spent all of EIGHT minutes voting for himself, before moving his vote to FT. UNLESS the time period of his vote was the time period where FT seemed particularly interested in Oats (as I remember D1, there was a time where he was talking more about Oats than about prplhz), it is unlikely that scumyamato would vote for FiveTouch and run the risk of having prplhz lynched. You are just misinterpreting that "wanting to run be elected as mayor" is NOT a scumtell. I don't think anybody is saying that conclusively. More that scum should have been trying to do SOMETHING to get control over the lynch or get a townie lynched instead of prplhz, outside of the really paranoid idea that FiveTouch came right out the gate bussing hard. | ||
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austinmcc
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On January 24 2013 05:27 Vivax wrote: I don't at all consider myself a vet. Bugs, austin... I expected more from you as "vets" really. Most, if not the whole scum team reacted to something really dangerous in the last pages. I think I'll go for some Ice fishing in Greenland. I do think that I'm not doing enough this game, but I can't address that right this minute. For now, I'm trying to make myself useful in finding things that stick out, and perhaps do a mediocre job of trying to get everyone to keep the thread legible and slightly more focused. | ||
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austinmcc
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On January 24 2013 05:38 DearestSnot wrote: I'm having doubts about Chezinu. Want to talk about it? Specifically, I can't reconcile why Chezinu would not vote for me or you when he claimed to have an interest in lynching prplhz. That's literally the only reason I have him down as town-he wanted to kill prplhz. However, his last minute vote switch from himself to austin/gonzaw seemed as if he wanted to accomplish something with it. Toad had 4 votes and gonzaw/austin had 3 each. Do you think it's possible that scum were trying to get someone other than Toad into that position? I believe at the time it was known that Toad was a mason, correct? I believe him when he says that he is busy due to school, but unlike last game, he has no reads that I can really recall. His only read on prplhz was based on his rule. I assumed Chezinu was just dicking around. I think I had explicitly stated that I was cool with sheriff Toad, and was ready to swap my vote if needed. Toad was known to be a mason at that point. Got nothing much to base it on, and I may not have been explicit in thread as I was in my own head (which might make scum think they could have shifted things more than they could have, except last-minute), but I read it as Chez just...doing Chez stuff. | ||
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On January 24 2013 05:55 FiveTouch wrote: It contains nothing of importance other than the possible lie, so yes. I must have missed something then, np. | ||
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You sure you're not misinterpreting who he was talking about? | ||
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