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gonzaw
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At worst let him be for a few days, if he's scum he'll surely "break" and go lurking or something. Don't really know what to think of debears/grush; they are not making much sense and are kind of "trolling" with their votes and some of their reads, but that's too null to blindly lynch on D1. | ||
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gonzaw
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Also, do you think Clarity has more chances of flipping scum than Oats or Stutters or maybe even sandro, etc? | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 21 2013 13:57 Mocsta wrote: Awesome next time i roll scum. I can troll and post fluff. Knowing im safe to day2 guaranteed. Cheers... The problem is that this is a mayor lynch, not a normal lynch. If you do that on a normal game you wouldn't survive at all because everybody would be on your back and vote for you. Here only 1 guy decides the lynch, and to him alone it is just based on his judgement alone, even if other people agree with him or not. That "trolly" behaviour alone may or may not be enough for a sole guy to lynch you. It certainly is not for me, at least regarding debears and grush which I remember kind of play like this in some games (don't really remember much though). I think the way to handle "lurkers" and "trollers" is obviously different this D1 than a normal D1. | ||
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gonzaw
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Oh well nevermind. Speaking of which Mocsta, what do you think of Stutters and Clarity? I don't remember you mentioning them in your filter. | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 21 2013 14:05 Toadesstern wrote: gonzaw would you be supporting five + vivax as a mayor + sheriff team? I really consider it very unlikely to have enough people willing to give me DT-protection (not that I need it but that's what people are afraid of) to make it myself. It might be an incredibly good idea to make me sheriff though... You're not a stupid boy, you know what's going on, right? :p Why did you think Vivax should be mayor/sheriff again? Just because he's likely town? Like I said I'm not that sure of Five being town yet, don't really want to blindly say "yeah dude be mayor and have this dt protection and BGs" yet. If it comes down to it though, I wouldn't complain. If vivax or five are scum it'd be quite a bummer, but right now it seems like it's not the case, and not letting scum get those positions of power is good as well. ...also damn toad you are paranoid as fuck lol. I don't remember a single person in this game saying they aren't willing to give you DT-protection >_> You also know I don't need a DT check to catch you as scum, so don't worry about that  | ||
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gonzaw
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Although if Five should be mayor, I don't mind his lynch candidates at all, at least Oats ahead of prplhz. Don't remember what other's he mentioned though | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 21 2013 14:19 Toadesstern wrote: Reasoning for vivax comes down to this: That is reasoning for why someone like vivax, not why vivax in particular of course. That seems to make sense in paper. One thing I can think of against it is: It seems kind of hard to plan. The sherif is the guy with the 2nd highest amount of votes. This means that people have to singly vote for that guy, while other people singly vote for the mayor. Unless everybody thinks exactly like you do, you can't rally half+1 of people to vote someone and half-1 people to vote Vivax (or some other guy). Other than that, I think I'd have to think a little bit more about it. I prefer my judgement over Five's for being mayor, and of course having +2 votes each day. I don't know how he'll be using those votes later I didn't really think about the sheriff role, other than if I don't get mayor, well being sheriff wouldn't be bad, I would still get protection (1 or 2 BGs though? I didn't fully understand that part of the OP). Don't really know what it means to others having the sheriff role on purpose (rather than being just failed mayor candidates  ).I also think the choice of people could be better. Vivax seems to be likely town, but: -I am not 100% sure of that -Even if he is, I don't know if him being sheriff would benefit town. -Of course, based on those above, I'm not 100% him being sheriff would benefit the town. Of course the same with the mayor choice. | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 21 2013 14:26 Mocsta wrote: @gonsaw toad gave reasons for vivax being town. I thought they were subjectve as fuck. From memory the stand out reasoning was howw he could post his campaign and be active in qt if scum there is no fcuking way vivax typed that first post afyer the game started.. It was premade and in no way is indicative of alignment. If toads disagrees wit this then his reads overall should be put into question. Btw with a premade case...it might make sense to take a breather if u rolled scum and needed to plan. But.. Why listen to me. Im not a vet and so to toad my opinion doesnt matter Well, I had my "campaign" post premade as well + Show Spoiler + Well, actually I had another one premade, but before the game started I lost it so I had to make it again when the game started I didn't mention anything about trying to become mayor (and that I had a campaign already made) in pre-game, you know....in case I got scum and wouldn't run for mayor I have a feeling Vivax may have done something similar. There's this gut feeling that tells me scum Vivax wouldn't instantly post that campaign post as soon as the game started if he saw his "You are scum!" Pm in his inbox, and maybe likely wouldn't even post it at all (and just trash it). It's speculation based on what I would think scum Vivax would do, which may not be much but it doesn't mean what Toad said is "completely bullshit". | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 21 2013 14:31 AxleGreaser wrote: Quote i really just dont do defending people. So consider this pressure Ok... Exactly how lackadaisical are you in who you Lynch? Have you really read Oats meta... Bite back is what he does I am happy you wouldn't mind lynching him I am sure several people would also not mind, but do you think he is scum? You may not see town motivation... have you yet allowed for how he actually plays. I see grains of truth in what you say... "to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.", Id have to check but Oats aggression is to my mind usually people focused and conflict motivated. are you not oversaucing the pudding(exaggerating) things a bit? Oookay, I'll try to see if I get what you mean and answer. I don't think I'd need to see Oat's meta (other than some tiny bits of what people said previously) to analyze his behavior this game. If you think he's meta means what we are saying about him is wrong, then feel free to state why. "Bite back is what he does". Yes, maybe that's true, but that's not the point I made. The point I made was how unnecessary and "out of the blue" his attitude was. You can "bite back" without swearing against mayor candidates and shit every chance you get. For that to happen, you either need to have a rough night, or like be frustrated at something in the game. Those things didn't happen. Also it's not just that "gut feeling" regarding his attitude, but yeah, he hasn't done much shit since. I agree with some that said he was "asking pointless questions" and the like. I've seen several scum just randomly "pressuring" people here and there just to try and look active. The point is that there should be a consistency in how they "pressure". I.e that "pressure" should be used to try and find scum and kill scum. It doesn't feel like Oat's posts have that "consistency", just as with other scum in other games. On Sandroba I dont like Lazy.... yeah thats bias.... hmmm but i dont like it. Ok lazy leads to unreadable I dont like constructively unreadable it looks scummy motivated to me. (why because doubt leads to living esp for some players who then use that to reach D2 where uncontested due to the nks they get more and more sway.) Is that addressed to me or sandro? | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 21 2013 14:40 Mocsta wrote: Regardless.. to use that as a heuristic I think is weak (i.e. posting a [pre-made]campaign is indicative of town play) Now you are using meta to make your judgement. I obviously don't share that experience with you. From my perspective its an informal fallacy. Im not saying Vivax is scum; Im saying Toads rational for declaring him openly town to me is weak at best, and contradictory at worst How am I using meta? Well, rather than meta I'm using reputation and experience. It doesn't feel like something a scum Vivax would do, mostly because his name is "Vivax" and not "Palmar" or "wherebugsgo", or even "Risen" or "kush", etc (you get what I mean). So Mocsta, you think these "heuristics" used to see if Vivax is town are useless? How do you plan on reading Vivax? If you "read" him as scum (like yamato does) because of Vivax doing some "bad" plays or something, how do you know he can't do the same as town? Are you opposing this just so Vivax doesn't get the sheriff role, or just because people seem to think Vivax is town and you don't want them to (that easily)? I like to use that kind of heuristics with those types of players, because they are usually right. Of course if you put a wbg or Radfield in front of me they are kind of meaningless (as I painfully learned in the past  ) | ||
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gonzaw
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I remember you saying you'd need him to post more and appear and stuff. Well I doubt sandro will do much more than what he did already this day, so what do you make of it? The only game I think I remember him not doing "that much" as town or being lazy was Bureaucracy (I think he was there, was he?), although not this extreme. I'm wary of him being scum though, because it doesn't feel like his Liar Game play, although if I suspect he is what he is, then that's irrelevant and null. | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 21 2013 11:18 BroodKingEXE wrote: Um, /confirm. Sorry I was out of the house yesterday, reading up. If you can post your thoughts at anytime BKE it'd be nice. What the hell is up with all these people promising reads/posts and going AFK? :/ | ||
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gonzaw
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Just to make it known my candidacy is still standing. We still have time until the deadline, but I'm not really fond of so many people not having voted yet. It increases the chances of a last-minute mayor choice, which could be anyone, even someone like Chezinu depending on the circumstances. | ||
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austin seems likely town as well, and posts his thought process and explanations, and he'd be a good player to have protection from BGs as well, wouldn't mind him being sheriff either. Wouldn't mind Toad being sheriff either, but yeah those successive votes on him seem weird. I'm surprised Clarity hasn't shown up at all. Must be an IRL issue I take it, he wouldn't lurk this bad even as scum. If Fivetouch is to be mayor, I'd like him to tell us exactly what makes prplhz more likely to be scum than Oats. Some of the reasoning behind his prplhz case seems like grasping at straws. The "he was against policy lynches before and now he wanted to 'policy lynch' chezinu" is not alignment indicative in my mind, few townies have the same exact thoughts in every game. I know I changed my mind about lots of things in different games, and I wouldn't expect that to be used either for or against me. Although it's true prplhz hasn't done much though. I don't know why he wants to vote me since the game started, but hasn't even voted me nor really shown. prplhz hasn't done much in contributing and seemed to be defending himself more, but for me his lynch right now is like a shot in the dark mostly because of that. I can see him flipping town, if he has to spend time defending himself instead of contributing. Oats has posted more than him, and has contributed less in my mind. His attitude does not show a town mentality. He spends most of his time discrediting people in a needless aggressive way. He also OMGUSed me back there for like no reason at all, I'll have to check that again. I'd be happy with Five being mayor if he lynched Oats (likely what I'd do if I was mayor), and of course spends the rest of the game leading town, posting his thought process, being open/transparent, etc. I'll have to check again some of the stuff said about Stutters, but he can easily be scum as well. Dunno if I'd lynch him before Oats though, but if both are scum it doesn't really matter, but I'm leaning on lynching Oats this D1. I'll respond to questions I've skimmed later. | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 21 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote: @ gonzaw There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer. I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me. Care to point out the ones I haven't indirectly responded yet? (like the "oh who would you lynch bla bla bal?" ones). On January 21 2013 17:24 Mocsta wrote: Gonzaw Im very close to handing you my vote for Mayor. Overall I like the vibe I get when reading your filter. I think your approach has been reasonable, I don't agree with everything but that is also to be expected. Before I hand over my vote, I would like to know "Out of the current candidates with a fighting chance, who would be your choice for Sheriff?" (& why) austin and Toad, and me obviously. Like some have said, the sheriff role seems perfect for people we want to protect and are likely town and scum would want to kill them (at least after I read that when skimming the thread )I'm feeling confident in Toad being town, and austin seems likely town as well. The way they drive discussion and post their suspicions is "good for town" as well, in the sense that it creates a good town atmosphere and the like and all that shit (in contrast with what Vivax is doing for instance). I prefer having that kind of play around and not being able to be killed by scum, because that's the kind of play scum usually want to kill early (I doubt scum will kill Vivax soon, even if he's town). I guess I wouldn't mind maybe wbg in that position, seems active in discussions and driving town forward, but I'm not confident in reading him correctly right now, although leaning town. On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok After reading what I think are the major candidates filter, Im ignoring campaign posts cause pregame writeups and stuff are non alignment indicative Gonzaw: Posts irrelevent stuff about coming back to the thread I dont see the point as town, as scum, you look like you are gonna do stuff but if no one calls you out for it, easy stuff to do. And this, as far as I can remember, nothing changed between and I would say trolling with your votes and reads is a scum read because it shows that you dont really care about who gets voted and you dont really care about who is scum, but apparently Gonzaw doesnt think so I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1 Ok on to FiveTouch, He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads. And Chezinu, Ok I have never played with him before and only know him by reputation and not much at that. He needs to make some sense, all his posts have been 1 liners and flighty comments about how his playstyle will change if he is mayor, non alignment indicative. I, however, think that if Chezinu is scum, he would put more effort into campaigning because it seems like he is getting some support but not capitalizing on it Are you serious Oats? You cast doubt on me, only to conclude with "yeah so, like I've posted lots of things that make me suspicious of gonzaw, but I don't think he's scum!". Why the hell would you do that other than just needlessly discrediting me, and also a blatant OMGUS? I dont see the point as town, as scum, you look like you are gonna do stuff but if no one calls you out for it, easy stuff to do. I'm just being transparent that's all. This thread seems to be moving fast, so by the time I start reading it to the time I have something to post it can pass 1 hour or so. It also indicates that I'm here reading if someone wants to ask me a question or if something happens I can provide a little snip about. I would say trolling with your votes and reads is a scum read because it shows that you dont really care about who gets voted and you dont really care about who is scum, but apparently Gonzaw doesnt think so Dunno what that has to do with me "leaning red". Yes, trolling indicates that you don't give much of a shit about the game, but in the case of some players that's not necessarily a scum treat, since those guys seem to play like that as town as well for shits and giggles or something. But what does this have to do with anything? You start seemingly accusing me of being scum because of me pointing out I'm reading shit, then you come up with this stuff that's unrelated to my alignment, and then you say you don't even think I'm scum, even though that seems like what the purpose of your post was. You OMGUS me, then you retract it....for what purpose? I don't see town motivation behind that either | ||
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gonzaw
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I'm unsure about mokuba. His posts seem like the quintessential noob post, with just mildly talking about stuff, not being engaged in anything or taking any strong stance, and heavily use of smileys. But meh...I'm not sure. His posts don't scream scum nor town, he's just blending in like a newbie (town or scum). | ||
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gonzaw
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wbg, sandro, you there? Also, Five is Palmar? My gut kind of tells me he isn't, he's not in your face enough. Seems more likely to be syllo to me...or maybe it's Fourface trying to fool us all | ||
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On January 22 2013 05:39 DearestSnot wrote: Your opinions aren't much more than direct readings from the players' posts, so I don't understand what kind of response you expect. Or, they're talk about how you need to reread their posts. Dunno, I expected anything basically, maybe not even related to what I posted but in response to somebody else, etc. | ||
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