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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 27 2013 20:24 Toadesstern wrote: your bomb just won't trigger no matter what if you're telling the truth. Mafia is not going to shoot you and we're not going to lynch you. Have fun being a VT. Pretty much this. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
Sleep schedule still crazy. I heard you like your new badge. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Earlier today Toad said http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17629153 "Noone other than: Chez, BKE, fuba, Yamato, mocsta, gets to be discussed this cycle." + Show Spoiler [meta becuase i do] + Now doing that would be sheeping in some sense... however it is copy of WBGs Annihalation List. So as he is at least actually confirmed town, then it must be good? + Show Spoiler + You just know I have to even be able to doubt that, and yeah there is way, but in this case even i cnced its BS  TLDR; Sounds like a plan | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 27 2013 18:23 Mocsta wrote: AND.. if you want the PM I sent to FT regarding Chez before Night 2 ended here it is to confirm my thoughts on Chezinu Hi Mocsta, you should check out the conversation me and bugs had about this in-thread, if you haven't already. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
However in reality, I have some meta experience with Mocsta as I have watched some of his games quite closely. (sometimes as Ghost once(in obs) Unfortunately the time he was scum I got completely done by him. So on him I have form in being wrong :( but maybe I learned ;) from that. TL;DR; Why at this time it is not my intention to give read on Moctsa. He may or may not be scummier than the others... The problem is it is going to be so hard for me to work it out I should not consider him first. That is despite the fact that I read one post of his that to me said WTF was that.... Unfortunately I have rather complicated possible explanation that is hard for me to unravel … Thus my actual Current read on Moctsa is (Not Assessed as I hope other people are in better position to do so, and I will be next time we vote.) That is nuts,.... yes I am remember..... I have self assessed the accuracy of the read i can make on Mocsta today and it is Low. Elapsed to me will or could make it better. + Show Spoiler [Why is there a problem] + This game he said pregame.. + Show Spoiler [meta change incoming] + On January 17 2013 16:07 Mocsta wrote: Well now I get to change my game the way I intended to, pre-game.. Once I rolled what I did, I had to stay the same  As I have read his previous games quite closely I ought say something feel related about his style Still considering just how hard I read his previous games I think I ought say something feel related. Recently Annul posted some Logs... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17643649 yes that is Mocsta, is it townie Mocsta or Scum Mocsta? Yes its one of those. Here is some more. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 21:34 Mocsta wrote: He has declared himself running for the mayor role; I have a due diligence to inquire further regarding motivations. [vivax stuff] This might concern some people, as it looks like Mocsta is doing his due diligence but where is he doing it on which candidates? You might also be concerned if that due diligence didn't extend to other higher profile candidates that actually stood a more significant chance of being elected. So what was he really doing is an obvious question...? (was he trying to look useful or ...) While that would be true for some players, personally I believe it fits my previous understanding of Mocsta. If that is what his filter consisted of it would be like any other player just a challenge. I do have problem though.. because if that is “Mocsta” as I know him then I think I could want to Lynch this guy... + Show Spoiler + (maybe... or is there now a better explanation(probably?) ) Why this meta is very very different. + Show Spoiler + On January 25 2013 16:40 Mocsta wrote: Its ok you prob read in haste Chez.. do you think Bugs who contributed in lynching prplhz would be scum? I.e. playing a gambit to get town cred? The last sentence in particular just feels wrong, not scummy or towny just wrong. And if you read that sequence, the question would be why, he is doing a marvellous job. Just as: Bad play does not equal scum good play does not equal town. My problem is that that is not the Mocsta I know. The use of language and a number of things just feel wrong... My best feel read is, the Moctsa I thought I know from the newbies cant fake the above posts, something I thought I knew is wrong. My knowledge of his meta could be way way off. + Show Spoiler + As explained previously I am sure there is information I don't have that means that when I read players I get inconsistent garbage back as my answer. I think, I hope that this time, I can even tell it is garbage. With enough effort I may even be able to get read on Mocsta past that garbage. Thus my actual Current read on Moctsa is (Not Assessed as I hope/exect other people are in better position to do so.) In order to get read, I will have reread him entirely and try work out what is self consistent with the meta have some familiarity with. As such not today is the read.... (I have a...? that it may be no... and there are options) | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
i made my move not for midgame power but for endgame domination. if it gets to endgame, having someone mafia CANNOT kill at night is a fucking huge advantage. but for this to be true, my bomb needs to remain active. | ||
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Vivax
21976 Posts
On January 27 2013 00:53 yamato77 wrote: Notice how he was responding to me until I gave a summary if his filter and concluded he was mafia. Fuba I think is fifth mafia. I'm going to make my case. Brb Why didn't yamato just post,hm? Last thing he wrote is this: On January 27 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote: Debears, Adam, Vivax, Austin all not confirmed to me. Oats/Axle might be mafia but I doubt it. | ||
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Vivax
21976 Posts
I still want more opinions about yamato before I reveal the check. I know Adam's, FTs, but not Toad's. Toad wanted to discuss him at the start of the day but is not disinterested in doing so. | ||
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Vivax
21976 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
(Sorry for the rant below, but this is kind of an issue that has been ongoing outside of this game) Look, the post I issued to Oats said it all. (that you pasted above) I wanted to change my meta after all the flaming I was getting. Last game I rolled scum, so stuck with my old meta (lots of text walls, and low contribution) This game, being town, I have been able to try something different. Maybe that is why you feel the language is different. Either way, you are welcome to make meta judgements on me.. but, please keep in my what I have tried to drive and achieve this game.. If you think that is town related, think of me as town... if you think I have tried to drive issues that benefit scum, than think of me as scum. Maybe not *Everything* I have done this game has been useful, but I would like to think I have a better post/content ratio than before. Lastly, i dont think newbie meta should be held accountable for ppl outside newbie games.. those 3 games are a chance for people to experiment with what works, and what doesnt. my newbie game style didnt work, so now im trying something different. [Yes I realise this is ironic to say considering I used meta against Oats.However, his character/style seems deeply entrenched already, still in hindsight I should have avoided taking that perspective and focus on the game at hand] | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 27 2013 22:34 Vivax wrote: Chez post all your PMs please. I still want more opinions about yamato before I reveal the check. I know Adam's, FTs, but not Toad's. Toad wanted to discuss him at the start of the day but is not disinterested in doing so. Vivax, sounds like you checked Yamato. Considering your check would show role + alignment; I assume you got green check. The question is, did you receive a role other than vanilla; is that where the hesitation to reveal originates from? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Scum Rating based on Chezinus In threads posts I have never played with him, I think I have read parts of or all of some, and somehow reading game while he to some people makes no sense at all, frequently I glean meaning from his posts hence i find him more fun to read than some. trying to get a scum/Town read however is AFAIK notoriously difficulty when plays as he normally does. This pregame post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17558073 dangled a carrot... and as mentioned earlier I would like to see it once. He said, “However, I believe this would change if he were mayor. The selfish motives that hinders this player will no longer be in his way if he were mayor.” While he did indeed for the first day play less Chezinu than normal, it was not enough to attract the votes and after that he changed back to his more normal style. There have been list and cryptic stuff, and the ... His Mayoral plan did not go that well. Both Town and Scum player might well be disappointed. On reading his filter I don't really get a town or a scum vibe... maybe after a number of games or maybe not. Scum Rating based on Chezinus Interactions with debears I am too tired to find it, but befor eI was responding to some stuff from Debears Apart from when Chez said what, I also wondered when he first thought it This quote kind of sets a time for that. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 12:22 Chezinu wrote: Even if mayor is a town. The mayor isn't safe. I can't say why publicly. Only a veteran or mason can save the mayor. Scary schemes have popped in my mind. To the mason, I will tell. But only if I am elected can I tell the mason. For the mason should contact the mayor. For the mayor would need your help. If elected, I will explain this to every last detail. This is not a troll. I just can't give mafia ideas. Damn i have to find that. I said: "Ok So if Chez had a good plan for the mayor to make the game good for town. Then he could have masoned the mayor D1 and told the mayor. Is it suspicious if he did not? yes? " It ought be suspicious, I am not sure if in some sense Chez plays the same game as everyone else. Irrespective from the information I have, it is indistinguishable from scummy play. The final problem is how much surer can i be tomorrow? Probably almost none so the best person for the second Lynch is Chezinu. + Show Spoiler [ The Mad Hatter Bomb angle] + Finally Note: Annul has some theory about not Lynches Chez because there is a bomb on him. Mad hatters are worth more to town than VT, lynching Chez downgrades a Hatter to VT. Lynching the Most likely scum is worth more than Lynching the next most likely. They have to be compared in order to decide who to Lynch today. The valuing of an exposed MH vs VT in this game scenario is not yet something I have done. As it involve speculating about how scum can best play, when I do I probably wont explain any part of my reasoning at all. However to make the comparison we must have second candidate, because if we had two equally good Lynches then saving the bomb is the obvious choice? My second Candidate for the Lynch, is MkFuba The reasoning is based on stuff like this + Show Spoiler + Makes weak town reads but uses 100% I feels wiggle roomy to me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17586311 I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, unvote vote: Chezinu | ||
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Vivax
21976 Posts
On January 27 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote: Vivax, sounds like you checked Yamato. Considering your check would show role + alignment; I assume you got green check. The question is, did you receive a role other than vanilla; is that where the hesitation to reveal originates from? What the hell is up with you and Toad thinking I got a green check back? Toad was unspecific about the who, but you think I checked yamato? You think I'd reveal red checks immediately when it sets town on autopilot, kills discussion and lets scum sheep the lynch without reason? | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Players like Axlegreaser and Adam are australian, and are either asleep already, or shortly going to sleep, and won't be awake much before the deadline. For whatever egotistical reason, you're denying them the opportunity to digest the check you have. | ||
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Vivax
21976 Posts
I said before I got a red check back. Now Mocsta comes in and says that he assumes I got a green check back from checking yamato. How the fuck does that makes sense? Mocsta is scum. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Palmar is dead on. Im going to bed in 1 hr, and probably wont be awake at the deadline (its a public holiday tomorrow).As for yamato, all you do is talk about him, why else would I think it was someone else. As for green check, thats the only reason i can think of you requiring discussions prior to release. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
You sprout so much stuff i have no reason to believe you received a red check as you have shared nothing since your declaration. Explain why this is scummy in nature to think? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I just did a filter search on you since Day 3 started (i.e. pgs 15-19) (ctrl+f: red) There is no mention you got a red check, so stop bullshitting like you told us what your check is. Second of all, all you have done is ask EVERYONE what they think of yamato77. Dont try and bullshit your way out of this one, the filter doesn't lie. | ||
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Vivax
21976 Posts
I only havr phone access today. But i dont recall vivax stating he got a red check.. Hence i assume he got green and wants to pressure to determine if godfather. This is an earlier quote by you. I said I got a red check, you still think I got back green cause you think I checked yamato? Considering your check would show role + alignment; I assume you got green check. The question is, did you receive a role other than vanilla; is that where the hesitation to reveal originates from? As for yamato, all you do is talk about him, why else would I think it was someone else. As for green check, thats the only reason i can think of you requiring discussions prior to release. i have no reason to believe you received a red check as you have shared nothing since your declaration. There is no mention you got a red check, so stop bullshitting like you told us what your check is. On January 27 2013 11:14 Vivax wrote: Chez isn't dying today. My check is. | ||
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