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austinmcc
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On February 02 2013 00:42 FiveTouch wrote: I held it in this long! I've only been internally paranoid, and i DON'T want to lynch into you guys yet.We need to have some words after the game, austin dearest. You've got to admit that you're not afraid to bus teammates. You've got to admit that an elected position provides cover from the policy lynches you've been receiving - mafia would have had to expend a lot more than normal to kill you early. You have ridden town cred to scum victory before, being right in your reads. | ||
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austinmcc
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On February 02 2013 00:53 FiveTouch wrote: Yes, but it's retarded. Just look at my play. The same argument I made for Toad being town could have been made for me, by the way. As Axle's team-mate obviously I tell him to claim medic... By the way, Given 3/5 of the mafia were on gonzaw, looks like they were trying pretty hard to get gonzaw into a position. Chez's vote doesn't much count imo. If it made a difference, then it would be trying hard to get gonzaw into an elected position. But since it was a last minute vote that changed NOTHING, it's not really an attempt to get Gonzaw elected. Realistically, Gonzaw and one other mafia for voted Gonzaw, and another mafia, for whatever reason, threw his vote away last minute. His candidacy just sort of sat stagnant for most of D1. I'd disagree that it's retarded to say, "These guys have played townishly all game, so they are probably town. However, there is still the CHANCE that one of them is mafia, and it would explain some of the weirdness of the NKs/cop being around." Any "Well I could have done x scummier thing" argument is meaningless, because everyone KNOWS you guys have looked town. The chance that you guys have to be scum is almost entirely predicated on you NOT doing the scummiest things all the time, you just bus teammates and ride uncheckability + townieness to the win. Axle being alive wasn't worth any KP to the scum team, so if the plan involves making it to lategame on town cred, there's not actually much to be lost in killing him. | ||
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austinmcc
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On February 02 2013 01:12 Toadesstern wrote: It's weird, and he certainly played disruptive for a lot of the game, but there's no need to fire into him today.that seems so weird. Why would you not be able to do that... I'd say it's rather because people just aren't able to figure out their own different styles in the first place but whatever, trusting you on this one. Annul + fuba, or Annul + oats, or fuba + oat? With me hinting at I want to keep oats around for 1 or 2 more days to see if mafia shoots him there's clearly no reason to do that anymore because mafia knows about that as well as I was forced to explain my reasoning, so wouldn't mind lynching into oats as much as I was 2 or 3 hours ago... Still not sure what to make of Vivax and I'm not only talking about the possibility of him being mafia. He got us a red check on d1 when a lot of people mentioned gonzaw being a good target for the d2 lynch way before he mentioned it. It might have been a bus after all, especially considering his choice of targets afterwards... bugs, debears, austin, all 3 people who conveniently either died before his check got in or already claimed. It's the perfect oder to "check" people as mafia fakeclaimer. He could have EASILY proven to be a town DT by checking someone who hasn't claimed yet but didn't do so. If he's not mafia himself it is REALLY weird that he's still around. Why would mafia leave him alive? I just don't see them shooting people like Yamato instead of Vivax unless it's really a 3GF-setup, which would be bullshit. He's a check a day if he's town, big positive, and we'll kill him in a cycle or two before LYLO hits if he's scum, just to be sure. I'd also disagree that he could have checked people who haven't claimed for magical confirmation, because it seems ALMOST certain that all our roles are outed at this point. No matter who he chooses, he just says they check out vanilla if they haven't claimed, and is probably correct. | ||
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On February 02 2013 03:10 mkfuba07 wrote: The remaining scum isn't afraid of a DT. They found a mason who was tunneling austin to be a more important NK. What does that mean to you? THE TUNNELING. IT BURNS ME On January 31 2013 11:11 yamato77 wrote: You're less likely mafia after the flip, but not completely off the hook. At this point, with the people I'm looking at, it's a scum grading system, and grush just jumped to the top. | ||
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austinmcc
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On February 02 2013 05:46 mkfuba07 wrote: You expect me to believe yamato wasn't still suspicious of you? As scum, he was your biggest threat, though I don't even know how he came to the conclusion that you were less scummy at that point. The flip just confirmed that your scumbuddy did exactly what you were trying to persuade townies to do: vote for chez, and then vote for gonzaw. It's telling that you picked up on the only part of my argument that I knew could be contested though. It means you know it too. Quiz Time: Can anyone tell me who else responded to one of my good posts while commenting on only the least important aspects of it? + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 15:25 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 14:22 mkfuba07 wrote: Annul The town annul explanation is far more feasible. I'm about 95% more inclined to believe that town annul had a significant oversight and had trouble explaining himself than I am to believe that scum annul risked his life quite blatantly to save someone who ultimately was likely going to be lynched anyway. Without commenting on the accuracy or presence or lack of holes in your argument. Why did you make it, or more specifically why did you post it in the thread? On January 30 2013 15:30 AxleGreaser wrote: Why has it been doing that.... ? Ahh because you are currently not voting for your top scum read... " If I had to say who I feel most likely to flip scum at the moment, I would say austin. " If austin is town, he's played literally the most unfortunate game of mafia ever. His actions D1 fit perfectly into what we now know to be the scum goals. 100% perfectly! The votes right now are based solely on setup speculation. If three godfathers wasn't unlikely, every single person would be voting for austin based on his D1 alone. I don't even know how to explain anymore how perfectly he fits the scumteam. At least when I sheep I've thought about it long and hard. Those single posts take me hours to write because I keep going back through filters, seeing what fits and what doesn't. Half of the time I just delete the whole thing because I decide it's wrong or inconclusive, and I start over. It's probably not the best method of playing mafia because it doesn't give me a very strong town presence, but I put the effort in. This sheeping from town just feels lazy. Marv is really good, I know. That's why I sheep him anytime we're in a game together. But he's not infallible (BKE, me, most likely oats), and I haven't seen a reason to set oats and I above austin on his scumdar. He's just decided to lynch up the list, and as I've already said, that will lose us the game. Why not just lynch scum? No, I'm simply pointing out that you're a bit blinded. You said earlier He killed yamato because yamato was the only one strongly opposing him. I was showing you that yamato had backed off. You're distorting the situation because you either think I'm scum or want to get me mislynched.Like when you say As scum, [Yamato] was your biggest threat WHAT!?!?!?!? Look at what you are saying. There is one scum left. There is a mayor with three votes, there is a jail left, there is an active DT, there are two bodyguards. Not only am I not scum, but if I were, yamato wouldn't have been "the biggest threat." (Even in magical 3-GF land, having two invulnerable townies, one of whom can triple vote, which is the world you're pushing, is kind of a bigger deal).Look at your other statements: every single person would be voting for austin based on his D1 alone This is false (I know I wouldn't be voting for me). Moreover, it's silly. That statement amounts to, "If we didn't have all the information we do, everyone would be voting for austin." We DO have more than D1. We SHOULD be looking at more than D1. The only thing holding the votes back is his claim Go read the pages where I first got suspicified. Suspicions --> others saying "no, he's town" --> suspicions --> claim. You're again distorting things to fit this idea that I'm scum. At no point has anyone ever said that they weren't voting me because I claimed vet (afaik). They're not voting me because (a) they think I'm town and/or (b) vivax checked me.His actions D1 fit perfectly into what we now know to be the scum goals. The scum goals of...what? Not getting any mafia elected? I actually really want to know what these "scum goals" were. Because so far, no mafia has flipped and said "Hey town, here were our goals this game." So what are these goals, besides "Win", and how did my play fit into them? You are missing the forest AND the trees. Some of what you are saying is straight up wrong, because you're overlooking posts or overlooking the specific times at which things happened. | ||
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On February 02 2013 06:13 FiveTouch wrote: Not unfortunate; bad. Mostly bad. Some slight misfortune imo in terms of D1. Chez being mafia makes me thinking he shouldn't be dismissed as a mayoral candidate look bad, whereas it wouldn't if he'd been town. Hmmm, nope, most of the rest of the stuff is actual badness. | ||
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On February 02 2013 06:16 FiveTouch wrote: Then I'd look more dumb and less scummy. And also scum would have known he were town and probably wouldn't have wanted him mayor. This just shows that you still haven't grasped the error of your thinking. Electing Chezinu is bad because you can't get a solid read on him day 1. The fact he flips mafia merely proved it in this case; if he flipped town the principle would have stood just the same. Whatever, I've played bad. I'll shutup about that point. | ||
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