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On February 01 2013 01:17 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:12 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 01:07 FiveTouch wrote:
Just a silly thing I was musing on. It looks like none of the mafia masons used their mason power. This must have been a conscious plan (presumably to discredit town masons?) Didn't make sense to me with a single player, but I suppose it makes some sense as a faction-wide decision. Pass up the chance at control over the game to stay away from getting a player or two caught by virtue of weeding through the masons for mafia, and you can bring up that up lategame and try to get some mislynches on the virtue of mason-role only. Who do you want to be lynching on the morrow? yamato. I wrote up some stuff on him last night, but I think it overall fits. I've finally got a bit more free time now, though, so I need to also look at a couple other players. He's the only one that I've taken an in-depth look at so far.
Off the top of my head, I don't like a lynch on annul. Balance is a small point in favor of looking at newer players. He's also asked a couple questions at times where they didn't need to be asked by mafia, and then didn't push them hard. While they could have been for town points, in cases where they could be used to try and save a mafia buddy (Gonzaw masoning), he didn't push them and so didn't feel like he was trying to start a push for a save.
I'll poke around fuba, stutters, and I guess what there is of adam, but yamato just looked baaaaaaaaad to me when I was trying to talk with him and filtering him. Yes, there's always the possibility that's how he plays, and I know he can tunnel and can be abrasive, but he's still on top of my list for the moment.
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On February 01 2013 01:24 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:23 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 01:17 FiveTouch wrote:On February 01 2013 01:12 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 01:07 FiveTouch wrote:
Just a silly thing I was musing on. It looks like none of the mafia masons used their mason power. This must have been a conscious plan (presumably to discredit town masons?) Didn't make sense to me with a single player, but I suppose it makes some sense as a faction-wide decision. Pass up the chance at control over the game to stay away from getting a player or two caught by virtue of weeding through the masons for mafia, and you can bring up that up lategame and try to get some mislynches on the virtue of mason-role only. Who do you want to be lynching on the morrow? yamato. I wrote up some stuff on him last night, but I think it overall fits. I've finally got a bit more free time now, though, so I need to also look at a couple other players. He's the only one that I've taken an in-depth look at so far. Off the top of my head, I don't like a lynch on annul. Balance is a small point in favor of looking at newer players. He's also asked a couple questions at times where they didn't need to be asked by mafia, and then didn't push them hard. While they could have been for town points, in cases where they could be used to try and save a mafia buddy (Gonzaw masoning), he didn't push them and so didn't feel like he was trying to start a push for a save. I'll poke around fuba, stutters, and I guess what there is of adam, but yamato just looked baaaaaaaaad to me when I was trying to talk with him and filtering him. Yes, there's always the possibility that's how he plays, and I know he can tunnel and can be abrasive, but he's still on top of my list for the moment. So you want to lynch yamato despite what's just been discussed about the masons?
Right now, yeah. I'll look around, but we can't definitively say "everyone who is leftover and a mason cannot be mafia."
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I guess the argument in his favor is stronger than just mason, as he apparently knew some other roles that didn't get sniped. Blerg.
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On February 01 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
Mocsta would have died N1 if I was mafia.
I knew he was mason with Chez like me D1, FT has the logs.
Unless you've got a history somewhere of blowing up masons whenever you can, this doesn't really do anything.
Mafia already knew mocsta was a mason, because Chez himself was mafia. Your being mafia and knowing he was a mason wouldn't have changed their knowledge, and would have only mattered in the way you want it to here if you were some kind of super anti-mason zealot as mafia.
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On February 01 2013 01:57 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:43 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
Mocsta would have died N1 if I was mafia.
I knew he was mason with Chez like me D1, FT has the logs. Unless you've got a history somewhere of blowing up masons whenever you can, this doesn't really do anything. Mafia already knew mocsta was a mason, because Chez himself was mafia. Your being mafia and knowing he was a mason wouldn't have changed their knowledge, and would have only mattered in the way you want it to here if you were some kind of super anti-mason zealot as mafia. It just seems that for someone who likes maths and logic like you, it's odd that you want to kill yamato, which would mean a) mafia had 4 masons to town's 3, and b) yamato as this extra mason on his own decided to mason people unlike the plan laid out by the rest of the team (apparently) Yeah. I'll admit to not hitting his mason post yesterday actually, and he looks better in light of that.
I do loves me the maths, but something about how he had vastly different reads all based on similar actions bugged me, as did the way he was responding. I guess I pull back and elsewhere, just hate the way he defended himself against pressure. Masoning chez is a bigger deal to me (in terms of him not being mafia) than the numbers, just because town looks to have a sizeable number of blues, even disregarding the masons.
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Did we ever get an explanation for Chezinu telling mocsta in mason chat that "Grush like yam!" prior to Grush's masoning Yamato coming to light?
Grush would mean the same mason split, and mocsta seemed to move around a bit last night cycle, but one of the things that pops out of his filter was him picking up on that line in his chat with Chez and how Chez seemed to have info that the thread didn't. I haven't seen anything yet. Yamato did you tell Chez that Grush had masoned you or had a townread on you or anything?
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djodref suspicious of clarity, oats, annul, and JX to some extent on D1.
JX suspicious of debears D1.
mocsta doesn't give me much of anything other than that question about Chez popping out.
So doesn't appear to be any real common thread among the NKs, was hoping djodref and JX shared some kind of off-the-wall read.
Gonzaw and Axle as mafia probably rule out oats. Gonzaw both wanted to lynch oats D1 and oats posted some followup case bits on Gonzaw, specifically referencing the way gonzaw and axle interacted D1. If oats were scum, he'd be pointing out Gonzaw/Axle's interactions, and would basically have been...he'd have been the fall guy to make Gonzaw and prplhz look good I guess? Gonzaw lynches oats if mayor, flips scum, gets to say he killed scum AND prplhz looks slightly better because the non-prplhz option flipped scum.
Still looking around for a non-yamato lynch i like.
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(That's not advocating a yamato lynch. Giving that up with masoning Chezinu, actually missed the mason crap yesterday)
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On February 01 2013 05:35 grush57 wrote:
Also who wants to get masoned tomorrow? I can probably offer drunken PMs, if that's your thing.
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On February 01 2013 05:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 05:32 grush57 wrote:
Also Toad you're telling us right before night deadline correct? nah already in 2 and a half hour. Am tired 
You really should just wait.
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On February 01 2013 05:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 05:41 grush57 wrote:
or scum mindgames us and doesn't shoot. you have a problem with that? We have 2 lynches tomorrow and I'm almost a 100% certain on this one. There's no way mafia is going to do that. Actually I'm going to tell you to policy lynch Vivax as secondary lynch to teach him a lesson for good :p
There's nothing to be gained. The plus in telling us early is that you can't die with us not knowing your target, but that's not an option in this game.
Lessening the that scum plays mind games, especially given that they MAY have done so earlier with the BKE jail, is worth something.
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On the off chance the remaining mafia is a framer and not a goon (yeah, framer + 2 GF is a lot, but POSSIBLE), I don't think we need to call out a specific check.
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On February 01 2013 10:10 FiveTouch wrote:
Stop trolling. We kill annul. austin is kinda tempting because he deserves to be lynched for being wrong the whole game and not submitting to me. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.
On January 20 2013 21:36 FiveTouch wrote:
##Vote: austinmcc
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It's odd that mafia continues to do nothing about a claimed DT. Most NORMAL assumptions based on that are: (1) Vivax is the last remaining mafia; or (2) the last remaining mafia is one of the players that CAN'T be checked.
Even if (2) were true, no reason to be giving out town checks either.
I don't superlove the idea of Vivax as the last remaining mafia. We're down to 10/1 as far as I can tell, and either win today or go to 8/1. Worth getting another check in and lynching him later if we haven't won, imo, because the more checks the better.
Grrrrr.
+ Show Spoiler +the point of that quote is that I don't think I've ever been THIS wrong before, all game, about everything. You've also never voted me for mayor. It's possible that the vote caused this. Just maybe.
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I agree with leaving Vivax up until later, and playing the safer game there.
But the "confirmed townie" list isn't as large as you're making it.
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On February 01 2013 23:13 mkfuba07 wrote:
It means austin is scum.
There's a check on me and even if the remaining mafia is a framer he can't frame himself.
So either I'm town
or
I'm scum and Vivax is just lying that he checked me last night. Also, in this scenario, Vivax has to be town. So he's a townie just lying about his check for no reason.
That is what you are saying.
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Oh yeah, I guess 3rd GF is also a possibility.
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On February 01 2013 23:19 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:16 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 23:13 mkfuba07 wrote:
It means austin is scum. There's a check on me and even if the remaining mafia is a framer he can't frame himself. So either I'm town or I'm scum and Vivax is just lying that he checked me last night. Also, in this scenario, Vivax has to be town. So he's a townie just lying about his check for no reason.That is what you are saying. Don't make it sound like that never happened before. May I remind you of BC's Arkham City in which someone fakeclaimed DT as a townie and then fakeclaimed a redcheck on a modconfirmed (literally (!) modconfirmed) blue guy d2? Schworz, never forget Anyways I'm off for a while, see you I'm trying to make it sound as ridiculous as it is.
I wasn't around for that game, and it's so long that it is one of the ones I never reread. Yes, it's a possible thing, but the bolded sentence is actually what would have to be happening if there's no third GF.
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On February 01 2013 23:35 Vivax wrote:
I'd lynch annul for not claiming the RB and implying that Toad could be mafia still.
On February 01 2013 23:23 Toadesstern wrote:
I have the jail
The jail was not used. There was no RB.
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I don't think it's time to lynch into elected officials yet. But yeah, neither elected dude is actually "confirmed." There is still the chance that one of you is the remaining scum and figured that once you got elected you could bus yourself to endgame.
Everything right now is circumstantial, and we're not yet at a point where mafia FT puts us at endgame, but we need to be aware of that. It's one explanation for why a claimed cop has been left alive - neither of you can be checked, so part of the risk to mafia of an active cop is gone. It's one explanation for why Gonzaw didn't get pushed over the top into an elected position - mafia already had one of the spots (For all the talk about what would/wouldn't have looked suspicious, they could have voted him harder earlier on, it's not like they HAD to last-minute vote like Chez did).
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