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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 03:06 GMT
#2391
On January 25 2013 12:05 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote:
Adam please don't be an idiot.

I need not stupid people in my town.


Interesting welcome. I have read exactly none of this game, have I subbed into a train wreck?

You'll have to be patient while I catch up 120 pages.


Actually, no. We've killed two mafia in a row and it's remarkably civil, barring an exception or two.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 03:18 GMT
#2397
bugs, no-one is disagreeing with you. Talk to me about annul a little.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 03:20 GMT
#2401
On January 25 2013 12:19 DearestSnot wrote:
as for annul (sorry, I neglected to respond to that) I still am quite unsure how to read him, but I'm leaning town on him for an almost singular reason.

Basically when gonzaw was outted as a mason he took the time to ask if anyone had been masoned by gonzaw. I do not think that as scum in that position he would have done that. He had been afk for quite a while already up to that point, why bother trying to clear up the situation? He could have simply continued doing what he had already been doing.

Perhaps this is a minor point, and he really hasn't done anything else, but I somehow don't feel like annul is actually scum.


I agree with this, for slightly different reasons. I'm willing to bet he's town at this stage.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 03:37 GMT
#2407
debears, I was contacted by no-one last cycle, so it's impossible I think that he's talked to me before and you now.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 03:38 GMT
#2408
[QUOTE]On January 25 2013 12:36 DearestSnot wrote:
Something interesting I noticed:

[quote]
Hide nested quote -
Original Message From yamato77:
You masoned me and have yet to PM me.

What are your reads so far for the game?

grush:

Sorry I thought the host would reply and confirm it or something.
I think your town because of your posts, and thats why I masoned you.
I think gonzaw is townie, good posts.
I don't like vivax.
Crazy de-lurk by mkfuba
I would get behind a chezinu mayor spot.[/quote]


Why does grush call gonzaw townie, but vote Chezinu for mayor?

Both Chezinu and Axle swapped off onto gonzaw from Chez later, why did grush not do so?

the fact that he was given mason seems really weird, but perhaps it's one of those "is this too dumb to be scum?" kind of moments where thinking about it in that fashion really doesn't accomplish anything. [/QUOTE

You always try to rationalise grush (and players like him) too much
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 03:39 GMT
#2409
reposting:

On January 25 2013 12:36 DearestSnot wrote:
Something interesting I noticed:

Show nested quote +

Hide nested quote -
Original Message From yamato77:
You masoned me and have yet to PM me.

What are your reads so far for the game?

grush:

Sorry I thought the host would reply and confirm it or something.
I think your town because of your posts, and thats why I masoned you.
I think gonzaw is townie, good posts.
I don't like vivax.
Crazy de-lurk by mkfuba
I would get behind a chezinu mayor spot.



Why does grush call gonzaw townie, but vote Chezinu for mayor?

Both Chezinu and Axle swapped off onto gonzaw from Chez later, why did grush not do so?

the fact that he was given mason seems really weird, but perhaps it's one of those "is this too dumb to be scum?" kind of moments where thinking about it in that fashion really doesn't accomplish anything.


You always try to rationalise grush (and players like him) too much
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 03:45 GMT
#2412
Not only on behalf, but defending him repeatedly on the same point.

The answer to your question is obvious enough.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 04:26 GMT
#2416
I pretty much agree with everything you say on BKE and Chezinu there. fuba? You might be correct, but I have him lightly town for the fact that he supported me killing prplhz on Day 1. He simply didn't have to do that. And I know he's an intelligent enough guy not to do such things just because.

For what it's worth, my two comments on him in my notes read, from Day 1:
"even less content than usual. but voted me wanting to kill prplhz. could easily have kept his vote on austin or elsewhere."
and Day 2:
"nothing i wouldn't expect him to do as town"

It's possible that I'm wrong on him, but there's a couple of other players I'd look at first.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 04:28 GMT
#2417
Just to note - I'll check out gonzaw's filter myself tomorrow, but all the reads you associated from gonzaw's filter in your first paragraph there were the way I was leaning on all of those players already. Which is quite nice.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 04:33 GMT
#2419
One other, only half-serious point - Djodref and Axle's conversation in the pre-game where Djodref was telling Axle he didn't think Axle would be able to post as much as he had when he was town... look who's been posting much less of late.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 11:56 GMT
#2513
Was a roleblock claimed after Night 1 other than bugs?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 14:13 GMT
#2535
People - as Vivax seems to be in a calmer mood today, let's not fan any flames. We can move forward today.

On January 25 2013 22:15 Toadesstern wrote:
palmar / marv. I'm 90% certain both BKE and Chez are mafia. If you had to choose, which one would you choose?


Currently BKE, simply because I've spent more time on him, and I've not spent a long time analysing Chezinu yet. Chezinu seems to be suggesting bugs is mafia - mommy dearest - despite the fact he led me towards prplhz, and also towards gonzaw (that bodyguard thing affected me really badly - 10% chance of town Oats being bodyguard reinforced my tunnel, very annoyingly). Chezinu is also still pushing Oatsmaster despite what happened here. None of it makes sense.

As for BKE:

On January 24 2013 08:29 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Annul is obvscum, at the moment he isn't doing anything, but putting out weak scum reads and useless setup speculation. His posting style is that of a scum who knows he's in a bad spot. He says his D1 was non-existant, but I dont see a town directed change out of him.

##Vote: Annul


On January 24 2013 14:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:

Quite honestly I can understand why you think I am scum. The problem I am finding, in my readthrough of filters, I am feeling really disconnected with the thread, due to initial missing the onset of the game. If you have anything you want my opinion or read on you can ask me. I just aren't finding relevant topics for me to post on. Please ask away.


There are a couple of things to note here. BKE claims to be disconnected from the thread, has missed a lot of the game, didn't respond to my question etc - yet he was confident enough to declare annul clearly mafia. This makes no sense. As a lost townie, he should be asking questions, not bang-on certain on a read. His random certainty on annul is really out of place.

As to what I've bolded - he's inviting questions, that's all very well. But as a townie struggling (apparently), where are his questions to other people? Where is he trying to figure anything out? In his entire filter, he asks one vaguely irrelevant question. There is literally no attempt to get more information from anyone, he's not curious about anybody.

Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 14:54 GMT
#2542
On January 25 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:

→ By not stating clearly that he is going to 100 % jail BKE, Toad is creating problems for an eventual medic who has to pick someone to protect. He says he considers me as option for a jail, but tells the medics they should only protect Bugs. That is a contradiction in mindset. He should disregard me completely as a jail target in that case and rather be coinflipping between BKE and Bugs, right?

→ By not stating clearly that he's 100 % jailing BKE, Toad shows that he doesn't think his unblockable DT check is the best play in any case. Force him to jail BKE or you won't know if he's scum tomorrow.

→ FT just posted reasons for BKE to be scum without saying if we should jail him and thus check him or lynch him tomorrow. He ignored my question so far.


Because none of this should really being talked about at all. Toad made it quite clear significantly earlier in the thread that he was aware jailing a mafia in this situation would prevent a KP. Therefore he knows what has to be done. I know how Toad thinks and what he's been doing tonight, and I won't say any more about it right now.



→ Toad protected Bugs letting Sandro die, I still don't know why he did that. He just got upset when I told him that without expanding on his reasons saying "You say I'm bad while I'm trying to save lives".
I just don't see town Toad risking the "best town player" (by his own words) to get killed.
Scum hit all right targets N1. Decide for yourself if that's a coincidence and just luck or if they knew what was up. Ockham's razor tells a story.



What you're missing here is that sandroba urged Toad repeatedly not to jail him. Collectively it wasn't a good decision, but it wasn't simply a Toad decision. Toad would listen to sandroba in this situation.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 15:19 GMT
#2554
On January 26 2013 00:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 23:58 Vivax wrote:
On January 25 2013 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax, I dont think you get the point.
The point of this game is to lynch scum, so jailing him will confirm/deny that he is scum. Then we lynch him 100% if it turns out that he is scum.


That's exactly what I'm saying. A BKE jail HAS to happen. But only annul so far has shown what needs to be done to make sure THAT it happens. Toad will do what the fuck he wants if you don't make it crystal clear that he has to jail BKE tonight or you will lynch him (Toad).

gonna be honest. Never thought about tossing a coin and already sent in "jail BKE" 10 hours ago...
I just need the medic to listen to me and the medic knows what I'm doing so again: medic listen to everything I say, it is of utmost importance tonight that you do exactly as I say and not protect vivax.

Not even kidding.


Why are you posting this? This is terrible. Come on Toad.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 15:29 GMT
#2558
You might want to consider changing your jail to Chezinu or Axle or something. But whatever you do, don't mention it again. Use your best discretion and keep quiet about it.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 16:36 GMT
#2569
bugs are you around for a little?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 16:36 GMT
#2570
On January 26 2013 01:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 01:29 DearestSnot wrote:
lololol it's like every time I leave the thread, I come back and it's inflated by several pages by Vivax raging at something he has no clue about and then it degenerates into him bragging for some unknown reason.

I guess he conveniently forgot the townies he was tunneling d1 to say he's been right two times in a row LOL

Anyway, just so that it's not gone unnoticed, Chezinu never answered my Oats question and his response to my query of scumreads was a list of players that omitted mkfuba. At this point if Chez is not scum I really do not know what to say.


yeah I really thought about that as well and think i might be better of jailing Chez but I don't want to change everything now that I told vigs I'm jailing BKE and medics to protect you and bodyguards...


what part of "don't mention it again" did you not comprehend? Stop it!
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 16:39 GMT
#2574
On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
Adam, I am glad you've come out with a mafia read on Austin. I agree, he is fairly sketchy at times and fluffy at others. What concerns me about him is that he seemed perfectly willing to play along with Vivax and not lynch the mafia with a red check on him, which is highly suspicious to me, especially after the flip. I think Austin deserves a fair amount of scrutiny, and I am going to make sure that happens in the coming days.

While you may find Axle suspicious, I find his play this game fairly consistent with that if his town game in the one I played with him. He isn't overly involved in the conversation town is having, he comes in with his own take on something and basically ignores everything else. I don't see much reason to have a mafia read on him at this point in the game.

As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow?


There are two good reasons that Axle could be mafia.

Firstly, his significant drop-off in activity.

Secondly, the mayoral candidates he supported on Day 1 were firstly Chezinu, and then gonzaw. This is suspicious by itself.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 16:46 GMT
#2578
On January 26 2013 01:44 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 01:39 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
Adam, I am glad you've come out with a mafia read on Austin. I agree, he is fairly sketchy at times and fluffy at others. What concerns me about him is that he seemed perfectly willing to play along with Vivax and not lynch the mafia with a red check on him, which is highly suspicious to me, especially after the flip. I think Austin deserves a fair amount of scrutiny, and I am going to make sure that happens in the coming days.

While you may find Axle suspicious, I find his play this game fairly consistent with that if his town game in the one I played with him. He isn't overly involved in the conversation town is having, he comes in with his own take on something and basically ignores everything else. I don't see much reason to have a mafia read on him at this point in the game.

As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow?


There are two good reasons that Axle could be mafia.

Firstly, his significant drop-off in activity.

Secondly, the mayoral candidates he supported on Day 1 were firstly Chezinu, and then gonzaw. This is suspicious by itself.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I'm not sure if town Axle would be involved in the game enough to vote for a mayor in a manner which is indicative about his alignment.

His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way.


His activity in the town-game never dropped off in the middle of the game for a sustained period like it has here.

And "I'm not sure he's aware to do all these scummy things" isn't a good defence for anybody. The fact is, those were his votes. He voted for the mafia in the running for Sheriff quite late in the day. This is very suspicious.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 16:51 GMT
#2582
On January 26 2013 01:47 DearestSnot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 01:36 FiveTouch wrote:
bugs are you around for a little?


Yeah, what's up?

Also @Vivax, I never asked Chezinu about being masoned.


One of my masons provided me with an interesting thought.

Both my masons, who I'm reasonably confident are town (and even more confident that one must be town) were masoned with Chezinu Day 1. Given no-one knew they were masoned with Chezinu before I found out Day 2, why did mafia not take the opportunity to eliminate them, or at least one of them?
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