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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 18:33 GMT
#381
On January 31 2013 03:30 warbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 03:25 Acid~ wrote:

Why did you not urge town to take their vote off SkaPunk when you did? You said you switched because you had a town read on him. You had been leading town all day, why did not lead town away from what you thought would be a mislynch?

You've been dodging this question all day.


I never said I swtiched from Ska because I had a town read on him. I voted for Ska in the first place to pressure him into posting. It didn't work. I thought maybe there was some >0% chance pressuring someone else to post would work.

Imagine I am the doctor. The doctor NEEDS to make town reads to be an effective doctor (unlike a VT who only really needs to make scum reads). Does that help you understand my play?


Soft roleclaims like this only get you NK'd if you are actually blue (looking highly unlikely at this stage).

You actually did say something about a weak town read on SkaPunk, tbh. Hell, I'll dig it out:

On January 28 2013 08:35 warbaby wrote:
If SkaPunk's single post was a scum trying to blend in then he's the worst scum ever. My (very weak) read on him is that he's town

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warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 18:34 GMT
#382
That's not the reason I switched my vote from him.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 18:34 GMT
#383
EBWOP:

Soft roleclaims like this only get you NK'd without actually helping town if you are actually blue.

The help to town only comes post-flip which is too late.
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Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
January 30 2013 18:35 GMT
#384
On January 31 2013 03:30 warbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 03:25 Acid~ wrote:

Why did you not urge town to take their vote off SkaPunk when you did? You said you switched because you had a town read on him. You had been leading town all day, why did not lead town away from what you thought would be a mislynch?

You've been dodging this question all day.


I never said I swtiched from Ska because I had a town read on him.


O RLY?

On January 28 2013 08:35 warbaby wrote:
##Unvote: SkaPunk
##Vote: abenson

By glurio's metric, we should lynch scum, then scummy lurkers, then lurkers. If SkaPunk's single post was a scum trying to blend in then he's the worst scum ever. My (very weak) read on him is that he's town, but playing with extremely little effort so far. Pressure is apparently not getting a rise from him. Maybe he's not reading the thread, but one would really expect scum to put up some kind of defense when they're 2 hours (is that right?) from being lynched. So I'm going to vote for an actual 100% lurker.



I voted for Ska in the first place to pressure him into posting. It didn't work. I thought maybe there was some >0% chance pressuring someone else to post would work.

Imagine I am the doctor. The doctor NEEDS to make town reads to be an effective doctor (unlike a VT who only really needs to make scum reads). Does that help you understand my play?


I'll imagine you being the doctor once I see the stethoscope on your corpse.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 18:36 GMT
#385
I'm pretty sure I'll be NK'd anyway, if I'm not lynched first, lol.

If I'm alive at the start of D3 I'll consider claiming, if I still have no useful scum reads.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 18:36 GMT
#386
On January 31 2013 03:34 warbaby wrote:
That's not the reason I switched my vote from him.


The argument is that if you have a weak town read on ska, you would defend him more, no matter how weak the read was.

Why, if you think he was town, did you not make any kind of post trying to save him?
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warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 18:36 GMT
#387
On January 31 2013 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 03:34 warbaby wrote:
That's not the reason I switched my vote from him.


The argument is that if you have a weak town read on ska, you would defend him more, no matter how weak the read was.

Why, if you think he was town, did you not make any kind of post trying to save him?


I'm not going to defend people I have weak town reads on. It's not my job.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
January 30 2013 18:39 GMT
#388
On January 31 2013 03:36 warbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 31 2013 03:34 warbaby wrote:
That's not the reason I switched my vote from him.


The argument is that if you have a weak town read on ska, you would defend him more, no matter how weak the read was.

Why, if you think he was town, did you not make any kind of post trying to save him?


I'm not going to defend people I have weak town reads on. It's not my job.


Thank you, that's all I wanted from you

A nice, juicy scum claim.

If it's not your job to lynch scum instead of town, you are scum.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 18:40 GMT
#389
On January 31 2013 03:36 warbaby wrote:
If I'm alive at the start of D3 I'll consider claiming, if I still have no useful scum reads.


IF you are town AND alive at the start of D3 (and we mislynch somebody, plus doctor misses a save), we will be in MYLO (mis-lynch loses). In that case, a blue claim wouldn't be something you would "consider" it would be straight up REQUIRED (if you were blue).

Something gives here. You are NOT blue, and you are soft-claiming to get us off of you. It looks scummy as hell and I'm getting progressively less likely to switch off of you.
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warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 18:40 GMT
#390
On January 31 2013 03:39 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 03:36 warbaby wrote:
On January 31 2013 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 31 2013 03:34 warbaby wrote:
That's not the reason I switched my vote from him.


The argument is that if you have a weak town read on ska, you would defend him more, no matter how weak the read was.

Why, if you think he was town, did you not make any kind of post trying to save him?


I'm not going to defend people I have weak town reads on. It's not my job.


Thank you, that's all I wanted from you

A nice, juicy scum claim.

If it's not your job to lynch scum instead of town, you are scum.


That's nonsense. The job of town is to hunt scum, not defend other towns.

The job of town is to not vote for people they have a weak town read on.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 18:42 GMT
#391
EBWOP: Unless you're voting someone you have a weak town read on, to pressure them. In that case go right ahead
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 30 2013 18:44 GMT
#392
Stalling to blue claim until just before lynch makes it seem as though you're hoping there's no time for a counterclaim.

If you role claim any later than the next hour or so, I'm going to ignore any further role claims from you. You're in no position to be a tease about this.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 18:46 GMT
#393
On January 31 2013 03:44 zarepath wrote:
Stalling to blue claim until just before lynch makes it seem as though you're hoping there's no time for a counterclaim.

If you role claim any later than the next hour or so, I'm going to ignore any further role claims from you. You're in no position to be a tease about this.


Thats pretty much exactly what I said.
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warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 18:47 GMT
#394
On January 31 2013 03:44 zarepath wrote:
You're in no position to be a tease about this.


That's only because you help me help you.

The reason I'm softclaiming is because Sn0_man is right. It will bring clarity to town if you find out my flip. I'm encouraging you to contemplate hypothetical scenarios, since you don't seem to understand my play.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 18:48 GMT
#395
EBWOP: You won't help me help you.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 18:50 GMT
#396
Your Grave = dug, warbaby.
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warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 19:00 GMT
#397
On January 31 2013 03:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
Your Grave = dug, warbaby.


Sorry if I didn't handle things right. I'll try harder next time.

I'm sick as a dog now, I haven't held down solid food in almost 48 hours. I almost certainly have the flu, and it's really killing my motivation (to do anything, not just mafia). I tried to make cases for scum earlier (in D2), the only person who really responded was Glurio (who's the one I accused, so it hardly matters). I don't really know what to do now, since people seem to be ignoring any post I make that's not explaining my previous actions, or defending myself. It's like I'm stuck in a time warp.

You're boxing me into defending myself so much I can't do anything else, and be heard. I don't know what I can do about that.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
January 30 2013 19:02 GMT
#398
On January 31 2013 03:40 warbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 03:39 Acid~ wrote:
On January 31 2013 03:36 warbaby wrote:
On January 31 2013 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 31 2013 03:34 warbaby wrote:
That's not the reason I switched my vote from him.


The argument is that if you have a weak town read on ska, you would defend him more, no matter how weak the read was.

Why, if you think he was town, did you not make any kind of post trying to save him?


I'm not going to defend people I have weak town reads on. It's not my job.


Thank you, that's all I wanted from you

A nice, juicy scum claim.

If it's not your job to lynch scum instead of town, you are scum.


That's nonsense. The job of town is to hunt scum, not defend other towns.

The job of town is to not vote for people they have a weak town read on.


Actually no, the job of town is to *lynch* scum. Letting town lynch someone you have a soft town read on is not lynching scum. It's not even hunting scum. It's passively letting scum win the game.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 19:03 GMT
#399
Well, first off, if you are feeling sick I recommend doing everything in your power to get better. Forum mafia is pretty irrelevant compared to real life health problems.

That out of the way, don't fake a blueclaim then fail to back it up. Its suicide. I'll admit we might not be giving you a fair chance at other things.
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warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 19:04 GMT
#400
On January 31 2013 04:02 Acid~ wrote:
Actually no, the job of town is to *lynch* scum. Letting town lynch someone you have a soft town read on is not lynching scum. It's not even hunting scum. It's passively letting scum win the game.


You're right that the job of town is to lynch scum. But if I'm spending all your time defending myself and other towns (which is what you seem to want me to do), then how am I going to actually hunt scum?
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
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