Dessert Mini Mafia

On January 13 2013 09:09 jaybrundage wrote:

So Zentor. Im reading this as British Mafia late game Zentor. Is what we gonna see this whole game

AMIRITE?

On January 13 2013 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:


Eh? For what?

On January 13 2013 09:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ MrZ



How serious are you about this read right now? Like I understand Jay is being spammy right now, but that's not a reason to call someone town. That's how I was wrong on yamato for a while last game.

On January 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote:


His spaminess aside, what do you think about his RNG lynch thing? That stuff is normally not scummy by any means, but the fact he's been pushing Kush on the side (then proposes an RNG lynch on Sloosh) is very questionable.

On January 13 2013 10:05 Hapahauli wrote:


It reads like he doesn't give a shit about who gets lynched.

On January 13 2013 10:10 Hapahauli wrote:


He's pushing kush because he thinks kush is scummy. Case in point:

On January 13 2013 10:16 Hapahauli wrote:


Yeah so what? He's pushing kush because he thinks kush is scummy, and not out of simple frustration. The difference between "LOOKS" and "IS" is irrelevant in that regard.

On January 13 2013 10:20 Hapahauli wrote:


Well we can agree to disagree on the interpretation, because I don't see what you see.

I still want to hear his answer to things.

I don't think I took it out of context. Hell why are you hard-defending someone barely 3 hours into the game? Sure you have a town read on him, but how can you be this sure so quickly? Do you really think Jay is completely incapable of doing what he just has done as mafia?

Secondly, I'm never going to really get a grip on Jay's alignment until I have a discussion with him. It's possible that you're right about all of this, but I want to hear from Jay and make a decision from that.

On January 13 2013 10:42 Hapahauli wrote:


I get that you think Jay is town based on his spaminess, but 3 hours is far too small of a sample size to make a meta judgement. If he keeps this up, I'll be inclined to agree with you. For now, I want to hear his answers, because I'm pretty sure I"m not taking him out of context.

On January 13 2013 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
WELP. On his behavior so far, Jay does seem rather townie.

Anyway MrZ, talk to me about Ruuch a bit. You have your vote on him, and he did respond to it some. Do you make anything one way or the other of his recent posting?

Do you think he's playing similarly to British Mafia? I think there are some things in his filter that game (aggression, spamminess) that are similar, but it's far too early to say that. It's just a couple of pages so far. Also, it's not hard to spam a bit with useless posts like random voting (...) to emulate your town game. If you wanted to define fluff, that would be it.

On January 13 2013 11:13 Xatalos wrote:


I was talking about Jay in the last sentence. What's the biggest difference between his game now and then?

On January 13 2013 11:21 Xatalos wrote:


"You" as in you = one (you can see a great view from here / one can see a great view from here).

Hmmm. So he's less careful than in his previous game (as town) and that's the basis of your confident town read?

On January 13 2013 11:32 Xatalos wrote:


Yeah, but it's related. You saw Jay as townie last game and now you're at least equally convinced. I'm guessing more confident = more townish = very townish in your mind?

On January 13 2013 12:42 supersoft wrote:
yo kushmasta,



do you like how he agrees on everything?

can you find his scumslip?

I might accept you as a player if you answer correctly.

I don't know; it looks as if you purposely took it out of context, just to make Jay look scummy. :/

On January 13 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
dont see the scumslip at all read his filter twice lol.
One day I will win your approval somehow though because I think your name is so awesome.

He does look hella scum tho. Defending EVERYONE for no reason.
##vote mrzentor

On January 13 2013 13:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Rofllllllll. MrZentor.... this guy is fucking hilarious. Ill let you do you. Cousins lol.

On regards to the Zentor pressure. I would check the past game British Mafia.

He had a town read on me early he had town reads on most people. But it was weird he was convinced i was town. Then as we played more i realized that i was getting to understand his play more and had a town read on him.

But when he helped mislynch two townies my read flipped and i thought that he must be scum cause he was so positive of his town read on me and it freaked me out. He hard defended me the whole time just cause he had a good read on me being town. So I wanted to lynch him cause i thought he was scum for knowing my role. But as it turned out he was town made me change my read with some good logical thinking and then found the two remaining scum. MVP of that game for sure (I helped)

So although its kinda weird for him to have a town read on me this early if you look at last game it gives some perspective. Also why would Zentor hard defend a townie as scum. It doesnt make any sense. However if we have town Zentor defending someone he has a strong town read on then it makes sense.

On January 13 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote:

Hapa didnt even vote in the first one T_T

Need i quote

"HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM"

On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote:
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting.

On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O

@ MrZ

I don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement.

@ Supersoft

Have you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him.

Also, please reply to my previous post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&currentpage=6#119

Regarding Xatalos

His interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ.

That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced:


I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now.

On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote:
Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started.

Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now.

For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it
Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I.

Super, are you town?

Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column?

Jay, what's your read of zentor?

Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name.

On January 13 2013 23:54 supersoft wrote:
ey zentor, do you admit that a townread based on that one post is extremely suspicious.
regardless of your real alignment, especially if youre town, i want your honest opinion!

On January 14 2013 01:07 supersoft wrote:
It's not going to get us anywhere Zentor. You just stupidly defend yourself. I expected a certain answer and I wanted to follow that up with another line of thoughts, but i see that i cannot work with you. Consequently, I just end our conversation.

MrZentor
"Super, Jay is town. -.-" scumslip ?
is the older cousin. defend is naturally - how does he know he's town, is still the question
says he can read jay because of one post of his --
wrong thought about what scum does and what not.
confuses kush and jay even though jay is his cousin?

grush57
I am town. +
"How do you know?
scum with supersoft hmm?" ++

thrawn2112 more like pink
- refused to say he's town
"yes, i wonder this as well" lol. yeah sure. i dont buy it.
"it'd be fun to be a scumteam again, skyping was more fun than posting in the real thread in that game" - pointless ---
"no/yes of course, duh"
-votes sloosh
good case on sloosh. ++

On January 13 2013 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fyi i dont read megacases, so keep that in mind.
k this is my last intro post.
Next time I post it will be telling you who i think is scum.

On January 13 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
dont see the scumslip at all read his filter twice lol.
One day I will win your approval somehow though because I think your name is so awesome.

He does look hella scum tho. Defending EVERYONE for no reason.
##vote mrzentor

On January 13 2013 12:59 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah but you defended him from so many different angles that it seemed like separate people.

On January 13 2013 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ss wtf now I feel dumb for going on your dumb wagon.. everyone hates it.
##unvote mz

other people who look kind of scummy: hapa for dumb logic,ss for being scared shitless that he has to play 2 scum games in a row

On January 14 2013 03:59 Hapahauli wrote:
@ MrZ

I thought you were null on Kush? Why are you defending him?

On January 14 2013 05:20 wherebugsgo wrote:


Nope. Try again.

On January 14 2013 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Two things.




Do you think a scum sloosh would bother to point this out/have this conversation?

About kush: do you notice what I noticed between these two posts?

On January 14 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:

You think its that simple eh >.<

Z who would you go for lynch today. You have been saying your town reads. But who's your best bet on as scum.

On January 13 2013 07:16 MrZentor wrote:
Btw, I might be changing my playstyle a bit.

So don't lynch me instantly. :p

On January 15 2013 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote:


if I was defending prom you think I would take my vote of Lazer to ensure he gets lynched?

The fuck?

On January 15 2013 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:


given that you haven't read the thread, this is a pretty empty accusation.

Find an instance where I called Prom town. I can guarantee you that you will not find it even without going back into my filter.

The only two players that I have really defended this game (if you can even call it that) are jay and super.

On January 14 2013 11:44 wherebugsgo wrote:


supersoft generally looks at scum in different ways than I do. I can see some of his points but I disagreed with him on xatalos.

I agreed with both of his sentiments about you and Prom, but honestly neither of you have done much scummy since, you just both seem to be playing a bit weird. Xatalos, on the other hand, seems way too passive to be town.

On January 15 2013 05:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh right, I keep forgetting we have that. lol.

well, I'm going to continue asking people that way anyway :p

One thing I want to mention right away about Promethelax is that I found his interactions with sloosh very weird. Basically he was voted by sloosh at some point iirc, but he didn't respond in a way I expected a townie to respond to someone who was voting him. He treated sloosh as town immediately, I felt.

However sloosh's behavior on the other side of the coin has also been weird, but a little bit less so. At first I thought maybe it's just sloosh trying to solidify his reads but I can't reconcile why he seems to be so diplomatic.

On January 15 2013 06:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
no one is resisting killing Prom lol.

There is almost no resistance to either Lazer or Prom. Having to pick one isn't resistance.

On January 15 2013 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
I would very much like to last minute lynch zentor if possible.

##unvote

##vote MrZentor

On January 15 2013 07:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
KILL LAZER MONKEY SO SCUM OMG

There, I've hard defended every other player in the game. Gratz

On January 15 2013 09:46 MrZentor wrote:
SS isn't very good if he can't be bothered to glance through any of my last few games to realize I'm town.

On January 15 2013 10:43 supersoft wrote:
and you're annoying. I highly doubt you were the power townie last game you think you are... Stop getting on wbgs nerves like that. I feel embarassed for you
Ironic is that he took his time to read your huge pile of ass and you don't even respect him for that lol. That's really ironic

On January 17 2013 02:13 Xatalos wrote:


Aren't more experienced players actually easier to read with their meta?

On January 17 2013 02:20 Xatalos wrote:


Please elaborate :/

On January 19 2013 09:40 Xatalos wrote:


I mean seriously, there's NO reason not to post your logs.