I went back and reread after the flip, grush looks bad regardless of the flip.

At first I thought that perhaps he might look worse for defending a scum Hopeless, but he looks worse either way; the timing was too convenient.

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January 21 2013 02:25 GMT

#1606

Think about it, are all the scum going to be on the same candidate?

That's almost never true. I can't see any of the Hopeless voters being scum. That leaves grush plus whoever was on Lazer.

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January 21 2013 02:26 GMT

#1607

sorry, the Lazer voters, not the Hopeless voters

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January 21 2013 03:04 GMT

#1611

what are you talking about, you quoted me when the votecount was 5/5 and I was the deciding vote.

My talk about whether my town reads were wrong or not was me doubting Hopeless being scum over the fact that I found the voters on Lazer to be townier than the voters on Hopeless.

Tell me, how are you going to judge players this game by content when literally half the player base has done nothing?

Can you name something that grush has done? Or Zentor? Or Xatalos? Or jay? Or Lazer? Their contributions are nonexistent, there are only small things that you can come up with and they are pretty waffly either way. The only reason Zentor is town is because he is mason. The other 3? Who knows what they are. The votecounts are quite useful in this type of situation and far more useful than you make them out to be.

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January 21 2013 04:18 GMT

#1616

it's been a long time since scum have shot me as town.

I'm not going to get shot tonight either since Zentor is confirmed town.

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January 21 2013 05:02 GMT

#1621

at lylo? yeah.

Confirmed town > anything at lylo. That's one person you can't lynch.

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January 22 2013 00:48 GMT

#1636

Lazer is not reading, from what I've seen Hapa is either having a bad game or is scum, and grush is almost certainly scum.

Let's kill grush today.

we have:

myself
iamp
Xata
Jay
Hapa
Lazer
grush

In rough order of towniness, though I honestly have no idea where to put Hapa. He didn't come back with reads despite promising to do so and that degrades him considerably.

##vote grush57

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January 22 2013 01:37 GMT

#1641

I am, but I don't think there's anything really new to discuss.

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January 22 2013 01:44 GMT

#1643

On January 22 2013 10:42 iamperfection wrote:

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any ideas on how we can spur activity.

not really, this has been a problem for me 3 games in a row. Around this point in the game the town just becomes void of everything because anyone who would have talked is already dead.

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January 22 2013 02:02 GMT

#1652

On January 22 2013 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
and yet here we stand bugs.

I was going through your games bugs and unless the database is wrong you haven't played a scum game in quite some time.

yup, not since Space Station Mafia.

I don't actually like playing mafia all that much.

On January 22 2013 10:50 jaybrundage wrote:

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I have a great fucking idea. How about we spam shit up while im here.

WBG thoughts on Iamps suspicious of hapa?

I think it's fairly warranted but I'm not sure how much to suspect him simply based on the Hopeless flip.

He hasn't done anything outside of push Hopeless, and it's very weird that he isn't around now, that his activity has dropped immensely, and that he didn't do his promised read-dump.

On January 22 2013 10:50 jaybrundage wrote:
Both of you whats your guess for the scum team?

3 of grush, Hapa, Xatalos, Lazer. In that order from scummiest to towniest.

Grush I think is almost 100% scum.

On January 22 2013 10:50 jaybrundage wrote:
WBG and Lamp what are you thoughts on Lazer?

He's been fairly scummy all game but there are certain things that I found odd for scum to say. I was suspicious of kush too...but some things don't add up.

On January 22 2013 10:50 jaybrundage wrote:
And lol on Lamps comment thats a good point. Hapa WBG and Lamp all are decent players.

Also WBG do you want to lynch Lamp or Lamp2

I I think one of them could be scum the other guys is just an asshole.

Not really interested in lynching iamp, no. He COULD be scum, but I just don't see it. I've been fooled well if he is.

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January 22 2013 02:04 GMT

#1654

okay. I don't want to split the vote at all today, because we need a correct lynch. If you both think Hapa is a better lynch than grush, I will go with that, since there are plenty of good reasons to lynch Hapa over grush and it makes no sense to split our votes in a situation where our opinions probably aren't going to change all that much.

##unvote
##vote Hapahauli

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January 22 2013 02:05 GMT

#1655

On January 22 2013 11:03 grush57 wrote:

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good try scum

##Vote: Hapahauli

that's pretty ironic, coming from you.

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January 22 2013 02:09 GMT

#1659

in all of my last few games I've survived at least past n2.

Thrawn might have died because he was suspicious of both lazer and hapa. If he was right about both it makes far more sense why he was shot over me, since I was suspicious of Hopeless over lazer and hapa wasn't even a scumread for me.

Thrawn's death makes Lazer and Hapa both look worse.

No one has really suspected Xata, and grush is grush. So it's pick your poison, really.

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January 22 2013 02:09 GMT

#1661

On January 22 2013 11:07 grush57 wrote:

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WBG, I'm not scum. You think I am but lets say that you know I'm not. Who is the other 3rd scum?

if you're not scum then it has to be xata + lazer + hapa. There's pretty much no other choices.

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January 22 2013 02:14 GMT

#1663

it's either xata or grush, you can't have both.

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January 22 2013 02:15 GMT

#1664

I suppose you COULD if jay is scum.

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January 22 2013 05:40 GMT

#1691

hold on, I think I just realized something.

If Xata is claiming the RB again that means it CERTAINLY wasn't a JK. Even a moron would have targetted Zentor last night, and any non-JK town RB would have claimed by now.

In order for Hapa to be scum then either scum roleblocked super, they roleblocked slOosh (not buying it, as there would have been a CC from slOosh and he would've just gotten hapa killed) or they held it.

I can't see them holding the RB and it's certainly possible they RBed super, so not much to go on there, but okay.

Xata has claimed roleblock twice in a row. I think that makes him town, as I don't see why mafia would hold their roleblock twice in a row.

This means that xata should be crossed off the scum lists IMO.

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January 22 2013 05:46 GMT

#1692

okay no, something is still not making sense to me but I can't figure out why or what it is...

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January 22 2013 05:55 GMT

#1693

okay so including the RB claim, why would Hapa as scum push Hopeless so hard with not even a shred of a backup plan?

Would a scum really suicidally push a townie that hard? I'm not getting that part at all.

sure, some of his reads look strange in hindsight, after knowing that Hopeless flipped town, but I think you can find town motivation behind most, if not all, of the things that he did. I'm super confused at why a scum, who knows Hopeless is town (and that Hopeless is one of the better players in the game) would just push him so hard for two days straight with not even an ounce of hesitation.

Tunnel-syndrome is almost exclusive to townies. If anyone has seen Hapa play a scum game before in this style I'd love to see it, It is troubling that he didn't do a read-dump and that he's afk now but this is mind boggling to me.

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January 22 2013 21:57 GMT

#1706

well he's not back yet and if he doesn't care about the lynch then I'm fine with him dying.

I'm not going to bother defending someone who doesn't even want to defend themselves, so if he's town then the loss is on him.