Dessert Mini Mafia - Page 88

On January 23 2013 17:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think the votecounts and Hapa's interactions with other players solve the game.

It pretty much has to be lazer + grush I think.

Let's start with the votecounts, starting with day 1.

Day 1:

Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft
Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax
Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der

Hapa votes Ruuch, which makes it almost impossible for Ruuch to be mafia. It was a latecycle switch and I don't see a scum hapa being willing to switch on his own teammate, since mafia cannot accurately predict what town will do in that type of a situation. Lazer also happened to vote Ruuch. (and yes, my vote is there too)

This makes iamp surely town.

d2 votecount doesn't really mean much, since from a mafia perspective the lynch was between two townies.

d3 we have Hopeless dying and here's where things are interesting.

Hopeless1der (5): Hapahauli, Xatalos, jaybrundage, Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo
Lazermonkey (3): Hopeless1der, MrZentor, iamperfection
Hapahauli (1): grush57

There are three townies on lazer. That means the three scum have to be between grush and everyone on Hopeless.

Grush at some point was on Hopeless, but didn't like the hopeless lynch. Grush is not stupid-he trolls, but he is smart enough to know that voting Hapa randomly in the middle of a divided wagon like that is not going to get hapa lynched. He wasted his vote here. If he had simply placed it on Lazer then lazer would have had 4 votes, meaning that any one townie who switched off Hopeless onto lazer would've killed lazer over hopeless.

Also, it fits with this really weird tendency by scum to stay off the same wagon. I've only once ever seen all the mafia on a team place their votes on the same wagon. It almost never happens, they are generally aware enough to not make that kind of trend pop out even though ultimately no one looks for it that much.

Now, do one thing:

take the word "grush", and open Hapa's filter in a new tab. ctrl-f, paste.

Notice the difference between how Hapa talks about grush and how he talks about pretty much every other player in the game. Notice how he questions people about grush but almost never talks to him, makes a read of his own about him, or in general really takes a stance either way about him.

Note how when he is asked to make reads, he makes a singular, relatively weak post about grush, and then, unlike all of the other players he talks about, chooses to quote himself in order to reiterate what he said previously.

Scum HATE to make opinions on players, especially their own teammates. They'll do a lot of different things to avoid talking about scumbuddies, and avoidance is the keyword when it comes to hapa regarding grush. He also asks several times, with other players, notably myself and Hopeless, why we think grush is scum. He didn't seem to care all that much about us calling other players scum, so why did he care so much about grush despite not really providing a read of his own there?

This is reinforced in the other direction by the incredibly strange stance change that grush took. He was voting Hopeless and then suddenly randomly he simply dumped his vote onto Hapa. It made no sense except as a distance attempt, knowing that Hopeless would flip town.

The second thing I'd like you all to do while the Hapa filter is open, is ctrl-f kush. At some point you will run into the phrase "kush is being kush". This phrase is only used twice by Hapa. Once, saying "grush is being grush", and once, "kush is being kush." Coincidence? I don't think so. Remember, kush got replaced by lazer. I was suspicious of kush d1.

Now, look again at how Hapa interacts with kush. He calls him useless, says he's being scummy, and in general gives vibes that he actually thinks kush is scum when he interacts directly with kush. However, with other players, he refuses to put a read on kush! He refuses to say either way what he thinks of kush.

The last thing to do here is to search lazer, obviously. This is better, but ONLY because Lazer was a replacement. Hapa uses the replacement as an excuse to push off his read of lazer, and he talks about lazer the most but really doesn't ultimately say anything about his alignment if you read carefully.

Sorry for the shitty formatting but I wanted to get this all out before I went to bed.

On January 24 2013 05:29 grush57 wrote:
I suggest we lynch either between me or wbg tommorow because if I get lynched we won't waste time lynching lazer than me causing town loss, plus if we lynch wbg then lazer will probably surrender.

On January 24 2013 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


soooo if you are town what interest do you have in lynching me before lazer?

You just basically said lazer is 100% scum, but that you'd rather lynch between us over him. If you were actually town and actually believed I was scum with Lazer then you'd know that lynching between me and you is 50/50, whereas lynching Lazer is 100%.

Nice scumclaim.

On January 24 2013 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


soooo if you are town what interest do you have in lynching me before lazer?

You just basically said lazer is 100% scum, but that you'd rather lynch between us over him. If you were actually town and actually believed I was scum with Lazer then you'd know that lynching between me and you is 50/50, whereas lynching Lazer is 100%.

Nice scumclaim.

On January 24 2013 05:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
so you're saying you know who scum will shoot, too?

LOL