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On January 19 2013 12:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah I'm going to make a case on Hapa tomorrow morning, tired right now This guy getting lynched... (•_•) Guess you're pretty ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) hopeless | ||
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The scum pretty much have to be between grush, Lazer, Hopeless, and jay. I really don't think they anticipated shooting a mason. | ||
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Here's a fact: if you are a town RB, I expect you to claim right the fuck now. It's far likelier that scum have RB, not town. The RBs in this context make much more sense, particularly given that a confirmed SK called Xata blue. If any town RBed Xata following that then they are incredibly retarded. Hopeless is stupid for missing this in the first place, and IMO it cements the notion that he is scum. | ||
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I still want to hear from Hapa, but Hopeless in the meantime is not making himself look any better. | ||
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Anyway some of my reasons to switch votes were lazy or waffly (or deceptive even) but I did want both slOosh and Hopeless to stay relevant lynches. I could have said nothing at all and I would have done the vote switches anyway. That's why, for example, my vote was on Hopeless for the majority of the time. He was consistently behind in votes. If I swapped over to slOosh at a bad time then it would make a Hopeless lynch less likely, because a net 2 vote switch is likely to scare off all the noobs into making real stances. If you're town and can't understand why I would want a close lynch, and why I would be interested in forcing scum to take sides like that, then I'd suggest you reread Ver's town guide. | ||
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Hopeless passing off the town RB as if he meant jailkeeper is hilarious. If he was town and was really trying to figure out the roleblocks he would have mentioned both the town RB and JK possibilities. However, his intention becomes clear when you look at how he phrased his argument. He attacked the RB claims specifically to make Hapa and Xata look bad. If he had doubt about the claims then he's have considered all angles. I personally didn't doubt the claims, and I almost fell for the false dichotomy that Hopeless posed; it was scum or town RB (but in reality there are THREE possibilities, not two). I don't think he did this intentionally, but the omission makes far more sense from a scum standpoint because as town I really don't think he's that dumb to blindly tunnel someone so hard he has to resort to bad logic to call them scum. As for whatever Lazer said, if you really are town and you think me doing something slightly deceptive to get the vote counts in a FAVORABLE POSITION FOR TOWN is scummy, then again, you need to reread Ver's guide. I needed to be crafty with my vote in order to get the most influence out of it, because no one else seems to actually care about the game. | ||
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I'll feel a bit bad if Hopeless is indeed town, but I doubt it. I'm also saddened by the fact that the overall trend of these games still hasn't changed. Still there are always so many deadweight players. Why do you all sign up for games if you're going to be such a detriment to your own faction? | ||
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The vote separation is really quite interesting. If Hopeless and Lazer are both town then it means nothing, but I don't think that's likely. Seeing as Lazer is the counterwgon to Hopeless it seems unlikely they are both scum too, unless Lazer is goon and Hopeless is RB or something stupid like that. And if only one of them is scum, the votecounts tell the story! Hapa, Xata, Jay: thoughts on killing Lazer? | ||
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Lol there's pros and cons to lynching them both. Convince me to vote. Most swaying arguments for either side will get my vote. I'll be around till deadline. | ||
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##vote Hopeless1der | ||
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Lazer very well could be scum with him, but let's wait for the flip I guess. | ||
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As for grush, I don't think his vote is necessarily where his mouth is, unless I'm remembering incorrectly. | ||
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Jay is still afk, I recall him saying something about his Internet being fixed tmrw but that's pretty annoying too. Meh. Let's just hope that hopeless flips scum, or then maybe we'll be looking a little bit hopeless :p | ||
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Good news though is that, though we have to lynch correctly tomorrow, it's actually quite a bit easier now. We basically have a free lynch in grush IMO and Lazer is still quite likely to flip scum too. | ||
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I'm not convinced Hapa is scum just based on Hopeless flipping town. Townies tunnel each other all the time. I'll reevaluate him but his arguments have been good and he has noticed things I would not expect scum to notice, so I doubt my read will change. Zentor is 100% town unless someone decided to do something incredibly retarded, and iamp is pretty clearly town I think. That leaves grush and the non-Hapa Hopeless voters. I am town, that leaves you two and jay. | ||
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On January 13 2013 10:13 Hapahauli wrote: Of course I'm serious - there's something illogical and scummy about his play and I'm going to get answers for it whether you like it or not. As for the bolded point, that's an incredibly short-sighted views on things. There are many many ways he can respond to my question in terms of activity, tone, frequency, etc. I'm interested in much more than the answer itself. On January 17 2013 03:48 Hapahauli wrote: If I had to pick two right now, I'd say SloOsh/Grush I have reasons to think everyone else is town. Iamperfection is being active and open, which is indicative of his town-play (especially this early after replacing in). Whether or not he sustains this activity will be how I ultimately read him, but so far he's being townie. Jay is also more active than I'd expect from his scum-play. MrZ is also being active and open. The things that people find "scummy" about him (early town reads, lack of pushing reads) are completely normal for his town-play. It's the attention-grabbing in the early-game that really makes me think he's town. The early town-reads, him drawing attention to himself through his activity... these aren't things that scum MrZ does. Xata is gunning for you WBG, and I find that horrendously brave for a scum to do. Especially for him. Lazer was pushed by Hopeless for most of the game. Outside his "slip" or whatever, I can't find any reasons that he's scum. Thrawn's early game voting and attention grabbing is indicative of his town play. And you WBG have been one of the more active and concerned players in recent days. that I do not see mafia making. Why would Hapa point out that you were attacking me, which makes you likelier to be town? I'm not seeing it unless you are both scum together or something weird like that. If he is scum, he's played well, he's played very actively, and quite honestly I'd be hard pressed lynching someone like that when literally everyone else in the game looks worse than him. Hell, just look at Zentor. He's confirmed town and if it weren't for the mason claim and his early day 1 play I'd probably be calling him scum too. | ||
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