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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 21:59 GMT
#1225
On January 18 2013 06:54 grush57 wrote:
hmm
WBG
hopeywopey or yummuslooshieslushy?


so according to you, I am scum, but you are asking me this in order to place your vote?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:35 GMT
#1236
the problem with hopeless is that he seems very aloof, and he doesn't seem to have any real reads.

Around lynch day 1 he claimed to have a town read on Prom but didn't do anything to save him other than join the last minute Ruuch bandwagon.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:38 GMT
#1237
also note that neither of them are around right now.

I know Prom wasn't around either but he actually said in thread that he'd be at work before leaving. (something I had missed earlier) Neither slOosh nor Hopeless have taken an active role in either

a.) defending themselves

or

b.) trying to find scum.

This is, IMO, pretty uncharacteristic of BOTH of their town games. slOosh as town is one of the better players in the game, and I know from cohosting with Hopeless and playing with him in past games that he sometimes has similar ideas to me when it comes to scumhunting and playing. So why are they both playing so out of character?

I AM glad, though, that we were able to get the vote so close. Even if we lynch wrongly today the votes and the changes should at least give a better idea of how to proceed.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:45 GMT
#1247
they BOTH delurked when I said that?

rofl what's with players this game and insta-delurking when called out?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:49 GMT
#1257
yes, let's speculate about an SK for no reason at all...

let's see what happens if I do this:

##unvote
##vote slOosh
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:50 GMT
#1260
On January 18 2013 07:50 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
yes, let's speculate about an SK for no reason at all...

let's see what happens if I do this:

##unvote
##vote slOosh

The guy that is set to die still dies


nope. I'm pretty sure it puts slOosh in the lead because it's a net 2 vote swing.

minus 1 on H he goes from 5 to 4 and then slOosh goes from 4 to 5
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:55 GMT
#1264
LOL the scum is surprised
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:59 GMT
#1266
grush would you switch to hopeless if I told you to?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 23:30 GMT
#1274
I'm just going to leave these two links here.

Take about 10-12 minutes if you're curious, skim through them both.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&user=53783&currentpage=All

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=53783&currentpage=All
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#1277
Note:

no read on hopeless.

rofl
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#1278
the excuse is probably in the first line, that the list is not comprehensive.

Whatever, it's still bollocks (I am not scum, for example, and who the fuck would out a blue as a townie?)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 23:41 GMT
#1282
On January 18 2013 08:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 08:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Note:

no read on hopeless.

rofl

its in there, just not outlined. It basically says I'm a lazy piece of shit and need to step up my game if he flips town and I'm also town.


that's not a read, it's a conditional.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 18 2013 00:00 GMT
#1312
y is this game so hard and y does everyone look like scum
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 18 2013 00:06 GMT
#1320
So do you asshats understand why I put those two links?

I couldn't actually determine whether he was the SK or mafia, but I didn't want to speculate. My gut said he was SK but I simply argued that he was scum because it was simpler.

At least I know now I'm not shit at metaing people.

Let's kill Hopeless tomorrow.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 18 2013 00:09 GMT
#1322
you're being lynched cause you're scum.

Deal with it.

I may decide to lynch Mr. Lazerscum instead, but who knows, there's probably about 24 hours before I get shot in the face anyway.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 18 2013 00:17 GMT
#1325
here's something to note:

people who were willing to lynch slOosh early on (why the bandwagon moved so quickly, basically) are more likely to be scum because

1. scum would not know there is an SK unless their shot was blocked. That actually is certainly possible given that super was convinced slOosh was scum. Since super died n1 and no one else died, it's possible that scum knew there was an SK if and only if their shot was blocked.

2. If scum also shot super, (and either the SK stacked or chose not to shoot) then everyone who was more willing to lynch slOosh early on is likely to be scum. The hardest part about being scum is predicting town's sentiment, and they need to do it in order to blend in. I tried to be as unpredictable as possible in order to force scum to make tough decisions. I don't know if it worked, but because the vote was so close, d2 is a goldmine of information. Names that stand out without me even going back to reread are grush, Zentor, Hopeless, and Lazer.

3. Anyone who stayed away from slOosh and Hopeless completely, but still had reasons for doing so is a bit more likely to be town. I'm not sure how to read players like this (i.e. Xatalos) but I think rereading should help here.

Everyone's job now for the night should be to go back and reread. If you find something interesting, report it. I'll try to post stuff before the deadline tomorrow but there's a strong chance I won't be here at that time. Tomorrow is Friday, I fly back to school on the weekend, and I'll be going out.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 18 2013 00:22 GMT
#1327
oh also:

this makes the double insta-delurk make much more sense now.

When I was thinking about it, I was convinced that both of them couldn't be scum because of it. If they were both scum they certainly both wouldn't reenter at the same time. However, I expected either of them as town to be active BEFORE being called out.

It makes far more sense now in retrospect for one of them to be SK and the other to be mafia. I don't think I am incorrect about Hopeless being mafia. slOosh's reads at the very least would be partially motivated by trying to find scum. He, as third party, has almost as much of an interest in finding scum as we do. Indeed, if he got Hopeless lynched, he would have either looked far better or far worse (if Hopeless flipped scum/town respectively, obviously).

The other thing I noticed was that I liked Hopeless's list of voters more than slOosh's. This is consistent in retrospect, seeing slOosh flip SK.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 18 2013 00:37 GMT
#1334
On January 18 2013 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
WBG: why were you trying to lynch someone you thought was sk instead of 2 other people (hope/lazer) you had scumreads on?


I'm not going to assume a guy is SK just because I think his meta matches it. There was no evidence that an SK even existed.

Partly the reason I thought he might possibly be SK is because hopeless and slOosh were both doing things that made no sense if they were both scum. Initially my reaction was maybe one of them is just playing like shit town, so I preferred slOosh over hopeless for that (and that read kind of waffled over time as people kept pointing out good reasons to lynch both of them)

In particular the double delurk made me really question what was going on. That's when I went back and looked in slOosh's past games and found two games where I thought his play was similar to this one. I didn't check his alignment till I had completed reading the filters and come to the conclusion that he was some kind of scum in both. There was some sort of difference I couldn't really pin down, and then when I read the alignments, the first one was assassin and the second one was scum.

I had a feeling his play was more similar to the first game but I really wasn't that confident to simply call him SK.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 18 2013 18:06 GMT
#1348
Two things of note:

Zentor has incredibly minimal interaction with Hopeless, but at one point chose to call Hopeless shady. There is one other mention of Hopeless where Zentor says Hopeless was subtly defending some people, but other than that there's nothing.

Something to keep in mind for the future (also, this entire past cycle he did absolutely nothing. He chose to vote slOosh and lurked the day away, something I'd expect scum to do, given that scum tend to start the game off more active and drop off as it drags on)

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 18 2013 22:41 GMT
#1354
I might not be here around deadline and if I die, please kill Lazer and Hopeless.

Assuming 3 scum, and assuming both Lazer and Hopeless are scum, the last one is between grush/zentor/Xata and my order of preference is that order. There are lots of good things going for a town-view of Xata, so force him to contribute as long as he is alive and as long as things make sense he should be fine. Zentor and grush are somewhat similar-looking to me and I keep waffling between them, but they both look terrible. If one of them dies and flips town just kill the other one. Chances are strong that if one of Lazer/Hopeless is town then they are both scum IMO.

Kill Lazer and Hopeless first.

Reevaluate after each death, after every flip, and MAKE SURE you read the comments of confirmed townies such as SS, myself, etc. after we are dead. Do not forget them.

Game shouldn't be that hard IMO unless someone like Hapa or Jay has snuck scum.
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