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On January 17 2013 12:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
man when someone votes 2 minutes before the deadline the proper thing to do is POLICY LYNCH THEM.
It doesn't matter what their appearance was before that, because a lurker who has never played before can either be town OR scum. They are only more likely to be town by virtue of chance.
Policy lynch them for what? In ruunch's case not knowing how to play the game?
It was a dumb wagon. People get ahead of them selves
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policy lynch them, because 9 times out of 10 someone who appears 2 minutes before the deadline simply to vote to avoid being modkilled is fucking scum.
It was a much better lynch than Prom at the time. The only reason iamp is even arguing against it is because he replaced in for the guy and self-preservation is how mafia works.
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part of the reason people like me (and Ace) get mad at stuff like this is you guys can't see why such a thing is policy in the first place.
It deters scum from doing shit like this. Lynch all liars deters scum from lying. Lurker lynch policy deters scum from lurking. Last minute vote policy prevents scum from lurking and then placing a last minute vote to escape modkill.
A year ago, the number of scum who would lurk or do nothing in a game of 30 (out of 6 scum) would be maybe 1, 2, 3 at the very most and very very rarely. In a game like this it would maybe be 1 or none at all. A year ago any such action by any player would have been met with a policy lynch. Look at Storm Mafia, and see what happened to RoL in that game for doing the exact same thing that Ruuch did in this game.
Nowadays you could feasibly have a whole team doing absolutely nothing at all, and the problem is that there will be just as many townies doing the exact same thing, so you have to somehow discriminate between them. That's when you get to lylo and realize that one of the consistently towniest looking players has actually been scum this entire time, and it's too late since everyone with a brain died in the first couple cycles.
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Eh obviously doing what Ruunch did should be discouraged. But you have to look at the context too. This guy was completely new to the game. I dont think any scum would do that because its stupid and scummy as hell if they have any idea to play the game.
Policy lynches are guidelines to prevent good play across games. But also if Ruunch isn't scum then he's a waste of a lynch.
Regardless the town didn't policy lynch him. I guess i can take the people switching as a non alignment indicative tell. As I understand a bit more why people did it.
But I still maintain that it was a dumb wagon. If there isn't a high chance of someone flipping scum then don't lynch them
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On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote:
SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning.
The way town gains from this polarizing cycle is forcing everyone to take a hard stance on it. Not letting stuff like this slide.
On January 17 2013 01:44 MrZentor wrote:
##unvote
##vote slOosh
Gogogogogo
On January 17 2013 06:48 grush57 wrote:
Sorry guys I know I've been afk but I can't help that.
If there's any consolation, i am town because of starsenses.
##Vote: Hopeless1dr
On January 17 2013 06:54 grush57 wrote:
Nvm Ill go slooshie
##Unvote
##Vote: slOosh
They don't have content. Sure you can pull in meta but
1) I have very little faith in almost every single player in TL mafia in their capacity to use it correctly
2) Scum can easily use it to push their agenda and the worst they get is "oh you meta'd wrong".
We should be pressuring these guys to give a crap, because it's these guys who will be alive near endgame and we got nothing on them.
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On January 17 2013 14:08 jaybrundage wrote:
Eh obviously doing what Ruunch did should be discouraged. But you have to look at the context too. This guy was completely new to the game. I dont think any scum would do that because its stupid and scummy as hell if they have any idea to play the game.
Policy lynches are guidelines to prevent good play across games. But also if Ruunch isn't scum then he's a waste of a lynch.
Regardless the town didn't policy lynch him. I guess i can take the people switching as a non alignment indicative tell. As I understand a bit more why people did it.
But I still maintain that it was a dumb wagon. If there isn't a high chance of someone flipping scum then don't lynch them
think about what you are saying.
His behavior would have been almost exactly the same regardless of his alignment, because here's a shocker: people who have done what he did in the past have flipped scum.
it's stupid BUT SCUM STILL DO IT.
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On January 17 2013 15:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 14:08 jaybrundage wrote:
Eh obviously doing what Ruunch did should be discouraged. But you have to look at the context too. This guy was completely new to the game. I dont think any scum would do that because its stupid and scummy as hell if they have any idea to play the game.
Policy lynches are guidelines to prevent good play across games. But also if Ruunch isn't scum then he's a waste of a lynch.
Regardless the town didn't policy lynch him. I guess i can take the people switching as a non alignment indicative tell. As I understand a bit more why people did it.
But I still maintain that it was a dumb wagon. If there isn't a high chance of someone flipping scum then don't lynch them think about what you are saying. His behavior would have been almost exactly the same regardless of his alignment, because here's a shocker: people who have done what he did in the past have flipped scum.it's stupid BUT SCUM STILL DO IT.
His behavior would of not been the same cause his scum team would of given him some directions.
i still find it hard to believe that scum would do this. But ill take your word on it. In a future situation. I might have gone on the policy lynch. Regardless enough of this policy lynch talk its not gonna help us find scum.
WBG how would you feel about a grush lynch tmw
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grush is not dying today.
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On January 17 2013 16:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
grush is not dying today.
Yea thats why i asked about his lynch tomorrow
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Votecount:
Hopeless1der (3): Hapahauli, slOosh, wherebugsgo
slOosh (5): jaybrundage, thrawn, MrZentor, grush57, Hopeless1der
wherebugsgo (1): Xatalos
Not voting (1): Lazermonkey, iamperfection
Currently, slOosh is set to be lynched!
~11 hours until deadline.
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Yo lazer guy who do you want to lynch all i have seen you do this cycle is say hopeless is a bad lynch.
Who do you want to lynch?
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kush and lazermonkey are both scum btw
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On January 18 2013 01:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush and lazermonkey are both scum btw
Feel stronger about that than sloosh?
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actually I do. but i've had some sort of scum read on sloosh for pretty much the whole game and I want this wbg/sloosh/hopeless situation to play out
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10 townie points to the person that converts the lynch deadline to est time for me.
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why don't you hosts just use [time] tags?
Anyway:
On January 17 2013 17:34 jaybrundage wrote:Yea thats why i asked about his lynch tomorrow
I didn't notice the tmw, my brain must've simply skipped over that part.
I wouldn't say I'd lynch him tomorrow either, surprisingly enough there are still better targets regardless of whether hopeless/slOosh flip town or scum today.
For one, there's LazerMonkey, who, given the opportunity to lurk, has taken it to say absolutely nothing at all.
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also xatalos is still abstaining, which is hilarious.
You're not going to lynch me today, or probably ever. Pick between slOosh and Hopeless.
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Deadline with [time] tags is in the OP.
You are free to read that anytime you wish.
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