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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2013 22:51 GMT
#741
Actually, I really need to go sleep now, so I'm just going to vote for Prom.

##Unvote jaybrundage
##Vote Promethelax


Since Jay isn't happening today and there's a chance that Lazermonkey would end up lynched (despite Prom leading in votes right now).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 14 2013 23:07 GMT
#742
Cakecount:

Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Promethelax (6): slOosh, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos
Lazermonkey (3): Promethelax, Hopeless1der, supersoft
MrZentor (1): wherebugsgo

Not Voting (2): Ruuch, lazermonkey


Currently, Promethelax is set to be lynched!
Less than an hour left until the deadline.

PM me or CC if I dun screwed up the count.
Remember - you must vote!
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 14 2013 23:13 GMT
#743
aww come on people... this sucks :-(
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 14 2013 23:14 GMT
#744
On January 15 2013 07:48 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm. I can accept that you're focusing on Prom now, close to the lynch, but why did you totally ignore me earlier in the day after you made your case on me? Even though I responded to your case and questioned you about that? It just feels weird that you would drop any interest you had in your #1 scumread after making a new case. Were you even serious about that case on me?

My time is limited and I wanted to pursue some other reads. Prom's one ended up more fruitful. I really don't know how to get more specific than that - it's a playstyle thing.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 14 2013 23:14 GMT
#745
I'm quite sure Prome isn't scum at this point. Just look how little resistance there is in his lynch. Even some of those who are not lynching him find him quite terribly scummy. And I didn't really need to post THAT hard to get the wagon from myself to him.

Anyone down to kill Jay?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 14 2013 23:22 GMT
#746
Sloosh, do you sincerely see a scum motivation for being so back and forth with his opinions about Xata? It wasn't even a very good bandwagon attempt as there was only one vote at Xata at the time when he said he found him scummy.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 14 2013 23:23 GMT
#747
On January 15 2013 08:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sloosh, do you sincerely see a scum motivation for being so back and forth with his opinions about Xata? It wasn't even a very good bandwagon attempt as there was only one vote at Xata at the time when he said he found him scummy.


please specify all parties involved when making posts like this
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 14 2013 23:28 GMT
#748
Kill Zentor?
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 14 2013 23:29 GMT
#749
To be fair, I'm willing to swap over to WBG or Hopeless even instead of Prom. I'm null at Hopeless, but in worst case scenario we lose a bad townie. WBG I feel have been very opportunistic. Also, despite me asking him three times already, WBG never actually explained WHY he wanted to lynch me.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 14 2013 23:29 GMT
#750
On January 15 2013 08:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 08:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sloosh, do you sincerely see a scum motivation for being so back and forth with his opinions about Xata? It wasn't even a very good bandwagon attempt as there was only one vote at Xata at the time when he said he found him scummy.


please specify all parties involved when making posts like this
What to do you mean?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 14 2013 23:32 GMT
#751
On January 15 2013 08:29 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 08:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 15 2013 08:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sloosh, do you sincerely see a scum motivation for being so back and forth with his opinions about Xata? It wasn't even a very good bandwagon attempt as there was only one vote at Xata at the time when he said he found him scummy.


please specify all parties involved when making posts like this
What to do you mean?



it's not always apparent what you're talking about when you only refer to people as 'he' and 'him.' the rest of us would like to be able to easily follow along without having to go check through like 2/3 people's filters to find out what you're talking about
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 14 2013 23:33 GMT
#752
On January 15 2013 08:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sloosh, do you sincerely see a scum motivation for being so back and forth with his opinions about Xata? It wasn't even a very good bandwagon attempt as there was only one vote at Xata at the time when he said he found him scummy.

Votes don't necessarily reflect the opinions of people, especially early day 1. My point with that post is that there is no actual basis for his back and forth switching. Even "lower level" town players all have some basis for switching reads (regardless of if they are valid or not). His basis is meta and I call bs on that.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 14 2013 23:37 GMT
#753
On January 15 2013 08:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 08:29 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 15 2013 08:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 15 2013 08:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sloosh, do you sincerely see a scum motivation for being so back and forth with his opinions about Xata? It wasn't even a very good bandwagon attempt as there was only one vote at Xata at the time when he said he found him scummy.


please specify all parties involved when making posts like this
What to do you mean?



it's not always apparent what you're talking about when you only refer to people as 'he' and 'him.' the rest of us would like to be able to easily follow along without having to go check through like 2/3 people's filters to find out what you're talking about
Ahh, I see. Well, sloosh seemed to think that Prom is scum in this post because Prom went from saying that Xata was an easy lynch bait to saying that he found Xata scummy.: + Show Spoiler +
On January 14 2013 13:40 slOosh wrote:
You might be talking about Prom, and if not whatever because I want to start talking about him.

I don't like how his stance changes regards to Xatalos.
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 06:59 Promethelax wrote:
SloOsh's points on you super are exactly why I am reluctant to vote him, he has accurately expressed the thought I have with your play. It is useless bullshit. While his case was weak it had some merit, even though I won't be voting X today. It had some merit means that he clearly was trying to actively push his lynch and, based on the post Bugs pulled up regarding his interaction with Hapa, was clearly involved with the thread while present.

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 09:26 Promethelax wrote:
hapa, aren't you pressuring weak lynch bait in Xat and Ru? Speaking of players who have vanished for a while what about SloOsh? Why isn't he on your list?

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 09:44 Promethelax wrote:
And as to the case on Xatalos, have you looked at his play in Paranoia? (SloOsh you get to answer this one as well). Hapa I'll tell you what I think after the answer to this.

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 10:36 Promethelax wrote:
'my side' of this issue is the same as yours. I find Xata scummy, I jsut wanted to get better reads on both you and hapa and your targeting fo Xat was a great way to do it.

In paranoia Xat is wishy washy and terrible but he is also very try-hard, as he was in british. He I'm not getting that same vibe here and I am happy to lynch him today. My short list of lynchables (like lunchables but with more murder) are Xatalos, Ruuch, SuperSoft and another dude. We'll talk about him later.

The first post comes before Xatalos' defense of my case. He says my case is weak, which means his objective read on Xatalos at that point is null / town. The 2nd post reinforces this as he calls Xatalos weak lynch bait, i.e. a scummy looking townie that is easy for scum to push.

The third post positions itself for a defense of Xatalos. You don't support a lynch by presenting supporting evidence to the primary pushers like that.

Final post he decides to find Xatalos scummy. On meta basis alone, even though the read on this game was town? Nothing indicates that he has a super strong town read on Hapa and highly values Hapa's meta read over his own read. But he somehow ends on the Xatalos is scummy side of the wagon. It seems incredibly opportunistic. Call slOosh's case weak when everyone else does, call Xatalos scum when everyone else does.

What do you guys think?
My point is that it looks bad as both alignments and seems liek a stupid thing to do as scum given the fact that Xata was far from getting lynched in the situation.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 14 2013 23:37 GMT
#754
@ Lazer

I'm not going to switch from a player who looks scummy as shit (Prome) for lack of resistance. When a player is really scummy, do you really think there would be resistance regardless of his alignment?

@ Supersoft
On January 15 2013 07:19 Hapahauli wrote:
For the last time SuperSoft - WHY DO YOU THINK PROME IS TOWN?!?!?!

On January 15 2013 07:19 Hapahauli wrote:
For the last time SuperSoft - WHY DO YOU THINK PROME IS TOWN?!?!?!

On January 15 2013 07:19 Hapahauli wrote:
For the last time SuperSoft - WHY DO YOU THINK PROME IS TOWN?!?!?!
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 14 2013 23:38 GMT
#755
On January 15 2013 08:33 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 08:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sloosh, do you sincerely see a scum motivation for being so back and forth with his opinions about Xata? It wasn't even a very good bandwagon attempt as there was only one vote at Xata at the time when he said he found him scummy.

Votes don't necessarily reflect the opinions of people, especially early day 1. My point with that post is that there is no actual basis for his back and forth switching. Even "lower level" town players all have some basis for switching reads (regardless of if they are valid or not). His basis is meta and I call bs on that.
Then it all comes down to meta, no?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2013 23:38 GMT
#756
Why does prom not care about getting lynched?

This whole thing bothers me
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 14 2013 23:39 GMT
#757
Because the scumteam has only 3 members i already pointed out.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 14 2013 23:40 GMT
#758
On January 15 2013 08:39 supersoft wrote:
Because the scumteam has only 3 members i already pointed out.


You think the entire scumteam committed Day 1 to lynch Prome. Really.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 14 2013 23:40 GMT
#759
On January 15 2013 08:37 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Lazer

I'm not going to switch from a player who looks scummy as shit (Prome) for lack of resistance. When a player is really scummy, do you really think there would be resistance regardless of his alignment?

@ Supersoft
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 07:19 Hapahauli wrote:
For the last time SuperSoft - WHY DO YOU THINK PROME IS TOWN?!?!?!

Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 07:19 Hapahauli wrote:
For the last time SuperSoft - WHY DO YOU THINK PROME IS TOWN?!?!?!

Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 07:19 Hapahauli wrote:
For the last time SuperSoft - WHY DO YOU THINK PROME IS TOWN?!?!?!
I disagree with him looking scummy as shit but okay, did you read my reasons for thinking Prom is town?

Your obviously right in the second part.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 14 2013 23:40 GMT
#760
On January 15 2013 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 08:39 supersoft wrote:
Because the scumteam has only 3 members i already pointed out.


You think the entire scumteam committed Day 1 to lynch Prome. Really.


where did i say that?
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