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On January 15 2013 04:29 Promethelax wrote:
wow, seriously, those are your reads? Terrible.
You said that you had not read the thread while simultaneously building a case on someone who had just been cased and calling him the scummiest person in the thread. That is deeply troubling and very scummy.
There is nothing you have done in this game that makes you feel like a townie. This is a big problem for me since in LVIII I had had you down as quite green thank you so very much.
Your case on jay is weak and in many ways I feel the Chezinu rule applies to him. He is such a weak player that someone making him their main target (if he is town) is very likely to be scum.
I agree that his sheep vote on supersoft was scummy, but that's pretty much the only thing. There are many reasons for him to be town though:
- Kush's attention-grabbing entrance to the thread
- Kush's overall anti-town and scummy behaviour - suicidal for any actual scum
- Lazermonkey has been very active and made sense even under heavy pressure
That last argument is just WIFOM as well.
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On January 15 2013 04:39 Promethelax wrote:
I didn't call your case bad, I said I thought any case on jay was bad because he is best mislynch NA.
Your reads being terrible is very alignment indicative, you are up for lynch and you have three reads and calling one dude names. You aren't trying to help town, none of those are new reads and none of them are explained there.
the difference in your play is that in LVIII you felt like a townie trying to work out what was going on and here you feel like a scummer trying to find someone to vote. You are looking for excuses and not reasons. With that logic, scum jay would win every game because noone would ever lynch him.
If you took the 2 minutes to actually look at my filter you would find explanations for my scum reads.
The last part comes down to WIFOM unless you actually show some decent proof for it.
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Promethelax, I have Xata down as slight town now just because he seems to have a brain!
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sheepvotes arent scummy unless the target flips town. since i believe lazer flips scum, wbgs vote is not scummy at all.
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scum jay does get lynched less than town jay. But, jay rolls scum less often than town, just like any other player. He's been actively trying to make reads, and I think that puts him in the town column for now, regardless of how tentative or shaky that read may be, he's not a good lynch for today.
Suppose we lynch him, he flips town. Who would you kill then? Suppose we lynch him and he flips scum. Same question.
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On January 15 2013 04:42 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 04:29 Promethelax wrote:
wow, seriously, those are your reads? Terrible.
You said that you had not read the thread while simultaneously building a case on someone who had just been cased and calling him the scummiest person in the thread. That is deeply troubling and very scummy.
There is nothing you have done in this game that makes you feel like a townie. This is a big problem for me since in LVIII I had had you down as quite green thank you so very much.
Your case on jay is weak and in many ways I feel the Chezinu rule applies to him. He is such a weak player that someone making him their main target (if he is town) is very likely to be scum. I agree that his sheep vote on supersoft was scummy, but that's pretty much the only thing. There are many reasons for him to be town though: - Kush's attention-grabbing entrance to the thread - Kush's overall anti-town and scummy behaviour - suicidal for any actual scum - Lazermonkey has been very active and made sense even under heavy pressure That last argument is just WIFOM as well.
Those points you have for Kush are great. If it wasn't Kush. Did you read WC? Or any of his scum games? Many of us have while you haven't and I know you probably don't like being told you don't know what you are talking about but you have no idea what you are talking about. Kush plays that way as either alignment.
LM has made sense? What does that even mean. You agree with his case on jay? You think SS is scum and Thrawn town? You deeply believe that hopeless is retarded? Please explain this.
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On January 15 2013 04:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
scum jay does get lynched less than town jay. But, jay rolls scum less often than town, just like any other player. He's been actively trying to make reads, and I think that puts him in the town column for now, regardless of how tentative or shaky that read may be, he's not a good lynch for today.
Suppose we lynch him, he flips town. Who would you kill then? Suppose we lynch him and he flips scum. Same question. SS in both cases probebly.
Also, Jay has not activly been giving out reads, unless you count all the null tells + all the times he said ''Oh, this guy is scummy, tho he could be town''.
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so, something he does as town normally? Lol.
Read these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2012 14:16 jaybrundage wrote:
Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them.
Ok Clarity ill lay out my thinking for you.
First off I have had a scum tell on Thrawn for quite a while now. However I was hoping giving him the benefit of the doubt would prompt him to come out and explain him self. Sadly he hasn't done so.
I have also had some bad experiances with me as town going off on easy band wagons and ending up killing a townie day one.
This has happened multiple times for me. It may not be so with vets. As we have had some good conversation going on. But i have had games, like i stated before that people all decide to vote someone. And it kills the discussion of the town.
Also I dont feel like its necessary to have to vote someone each time my scum reads change. I believe that me saying who i am suspicious of and explaining my reads and voting closer to deadline is fine. i dont know why people make a big deal about that.
So in conclusion, Yes i think that thrawn is likely scum.
No I have not switched my stance on him,
But i have been persistently saying i want him to explain his actions
And No i don't feel i need to vote now if my reads are out there.
On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ JayI read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.)
And tell me how they are any different from jay's posts this game.
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do you think as scum he would be so insistent on answering a question he posed to me?
Why would he care so much about my opinion, to continue asking me for over 3 hours, as scum? Do you really think he would put forth that kind of effort to blend in as scum?
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Now thats the bugs I know and love (to call an asshole).
So bugs, if Lazer flips scum who do we lynch, if town same question.
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Cakecount:
Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Hopeless1der (2): grush57, thrawn2112
jaybrundage (2): Xatalos, Lazermonkey
Promethelax (2): slOosh, Hapahauli
Lazermonkey (4): Promethelax, Hopeless1der, supersoft, wherebugsgo
Not Voting (2): Ruuch, MrZentor
Currently, Lazermonkey is set to be lynched!
~4 hours left until the deadline.
PM me or Dandel if I dun screwed up the count.
Remember - you must vote!
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Prom could you answer my question?
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i think i'm going to try to lynch prom today. i'll have more stuff to say later
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You displaying a couple of non-commital posts doesn't actually say anything, you should know this well. What would be alignment indicative is if he would have a game where he played town and didn't do anything but post wish washy reads D1. Like he basically didn't take a stance anywhere before his OMGUS vote on Xata. I'd say that his play in Hero MM was far better in the sense that he was looking after scum.
Also, WBG: Can you explain in your own words why I am scum?
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On January 15 2013 04:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
do you think as scum he would be so insistent on answering a question he posed to me?
Why would he care so much about my opinion, to continue asking me for over 3 hours, as scum? Do you really think he would put forth that kind of effort to blend in as scum?
Wait, who are you talking to? me?
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On January 15 2013 02:10 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 15:44 Promethelax wrote:
Sloosh, what changed is that I reread the thread, looked into Xat's past and changed my mind. I at first thought he was a scummy looking dude who is always scummy (see Jay) even when town. On looking into him more as a player I decided that his play this game is different from his past, town, games. I knew that since I had earlier stated that I would not vote xat so I used that to pressure you and Hapa to give reasons for your read and to provide a better way for me to read both of you.
1.Can you clearly describe to me how you employ meta to read people in general? 2.You called my case weak. What about it was weak? 3.I brought up the fact that his play is also different from his scum play, yet you never bring this into consideration. Why?
sorry, I missed this in my read through.
1. Not really no. Basically I employ meta to understand if things people do which I think are scummy are consistent with their town play.
2. it was on a dude like jay who I just see as lynch bait all the time and not worth lynching d1. It mostly focused on the aspects of his play which seem weak as opposed to the ones that feel deeply scummy, i.e. soft-defense, soft-attack, appologetics. I've been coaching a lot of newbies recently and I see those traits in a lot of newbie town players. Early in the game I didn't see that panning out.
3. I assume we're still talking about Xat here, I don't see you stating that. I just reread your case but maybe I'm missing it. Could you direct me to that post of yours?
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Okay, I'm going out for the night. I doubt I'll be back before the lynch.
Thrawn, stop being a silly. I'm not scum.
SloOsh, I look forward to your follow up to those questions.
Bugs, I still want to know who you think is scum if LM is town and if he is scum.
SS, same as bugs.
Where is grush at? Has anyone noticed him?
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Holy geezus I slept in. Catchin up.
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On January 15 2013 05:26 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, I'm going out for the night. I doubt I'll be back before the lynch.
Thrawn, stop being a silly. I'm not scum.
SloOsh, I look forward to your follow up to those questions.
Bugs, I still want to know who you think is scum if LM is town you and if he is scum sloosh.
SS, same as bugs.
Where is grush at? Has anyone noticed him?
but i already said that...
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either way if Lazer flips I'd still be interested in Xatalos, but if Lazer flips town hopeless looks much worse.
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