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On January 14 2013 11:10 Hopeless1der wrote:@bugs, does SS's response to youbelow, especially regarding Prom, make sense in the context of what you'd asked him at the time? Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 21:00 supersoft wrote:On January 13 2013 16:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
super, agree/disagree:
three of four
Hopeless
Xatalos
Zentor
Promethelax ahm, agree on Zentor obviously disagree on xatalos right now, slooshs case doesn't convince me. Many pointless questions were asked in this thread. He randomly understands my smilie-pressuring... got to think about him a little. Hopeless vote on grush is terrible, + Show Spoiler +i read grush as town, grushs questions make sense, overall posting look okay, i don't see any signs of scummyness. it's not enough posting for me to really have an opinion about hopeless. ofc. might be scum. Prom is a nice catch, i agree on him. His larger post + Show Spoiler +On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote:
Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started.
Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now.
For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it
Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I.
Super, are you town?
pointless, i already answered this question in my very first post - he didnt read
Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column? pointless
Jay, what's your read of zentor?
Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name.
looks extremely scummy, pointless questioning, didn't read the thread properly
supersoft generally looks at scum in different ways than I do. I can see some of his points but I disagreed with him on xatalos.
I agreed with both of his sentiments about you and Prom, but honestly neither of you have done much scummy since, you just both seem to be playing a bit weird. Xatalos, on the other hand, seems way too passive to be town.
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meanwhile, today we're just going to lynch randomly? the fuck?
why wait till tomorrow?
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I am completely down to kill Zentor as an alternative to Xatalos today as well.
His play has seemed somehow different this game, and he seems to be inconsistent. I am more confident in Xatalos, though.
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here, I'll explain it:
I'm tired of people defending others randomly in games for no reason. I'm tired of people afking or not defending themselves and making themselves look scummy. I'm tired of shitty games.
If someone is capable of defending themselves then I'm going to let them defend themselves unless I think we are about to do something seriously stupid. At this point I don't think you have a strong chance of being lynched (no one really has any strong chance of being lynched) and so I'm not worrying about having to defend you.
And for the record I have no interest in lynching you day 1 because I do not think that if you are scum I will have the time to get a good read on you. I already explained in the previous game how there are some tells (i.e your willingness to lynch vets early) that would strongly indicate that you are scum, but no such thing will happen this game.
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no, I know that he does not consider you a vet, otherwise I'd push to lynch him right now.
I just mentioned that because supersoft seems to have the idea that I can easily determine his alignment and that's not always true. It's only true if there are certain tells (like that) available.
@jay I've already answered at least half a dozen times why I do not want to lynch super. Also, I do not think he has played scummy. No one has really given forth good reasons to call super scum in the first place. Remember, if you want to lynch someone then the burden of proof is on you, not me. If there is no case on someone there's nothing to respond to.
Xatalos on the other hand has posts like these:
On January 13 2013 11:17 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:08 jaybrundage wrote:
@Xalalos
Well Zentor is already defending me lol. I can see him being townie again. Althought i never seen a scummy Zentor.
But as it is so far im leaning town. But regardless i rather not talk about town reads. Anything you think is scummmy as of yet? Well, I haven't seen anything really scummy yet. Mostly I'm concerned with your entrance to the thread and thrawn's lack of engagement. And Kushm4sta's attitude, although it's not actually scummy, but it's still anti-town.
On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless
##unvote
Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.
A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.
What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction?
On January 13 2013 11:43 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:36 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless
##unvote
Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.
A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.
What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? xatalos do you actually have opinions about any of this or are you just going to ask random questions? Just trying to make sense of your post. I didn't get the point you were making in your chain of logic about hopeless being scum over grush.
On January 13 2013 13:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ss wtf now I feel dumb for going on your dumb wagon.. everyone hates it.
##unvote mz
other people who look kind of scummy: hapa for dumb logic,ss for being scared shitless that he has to play 2 scum games in a row Let me get this straight. You almost instantly leave the wagon after having voted, not because you see anything wrong in the wagon at all, but because it doesn't gain enough support for your liking. Then you proceed to throw some dirt on several additional players. It just fits a Mafia agenda too well and doesn't make any sense as town. Then again, your entrance to the thread was pretty suicidal from a Mafia perspective. But if I look at the recent pages (or even just this one post), Occam's razor says you're Mafia. Can you explain your behaviour?
He comes across as incredibly diplomatic and he seems very unwilling to take a concrete stance on his reads. In most of Xatalos's posts I feel like he's trying to gauge sentiment and momentum before taking a stance so that he can be on the "right side," as opposed to trying to figure out for himself who scum are.
Indeed in the last post I just quoted he summarizes what kush has done so far, implies that it is scummy, says that Occam's Razor would suggest that he is scum, but doesn't actually call him scum-he doesn't vote him, instead, he talks to him like a townie and asks for an explanation.
Kush gave a pretty shitty explanation (IMO) and there was no followup by Xatalos.
It's only after Xatalos was called out for not doing anything that he makes a "case", on jaybrundage of all people. I like to call jaybrundage lynchbait, since he usually is the go-to mislynch of choice early on in most games he plays.
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First of all, we're not lynching jay today. Anyone who is calling him scum right now is either is scum or dumb, since they probably have never played with him before. You need time to catch players like jay, because they play scum and town very similarly. He's mislynch bait as town, and I would argue that as scum he'd probably be much harder to lynch-they always are.
Secondly, there are 6 hours left in the day and we need to consolidate. I would very much like that we consolidate on Xatalos or Zentor. We have 3 nonvoters, one of whom has done nothing (Ruuch) one of whom should have actually done something already (supersoft) and one of whom very well might be scum (Zentor)
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On January 14 2013 15:00 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 09:48 slOosh wrote:On January 14 2013 09:44 Promethelax wrote:
And as to the case on Xatalos, have you looked at his play in Paranoia? (SloOsh you get to answer this one as well). Hapa I'll tell you what I think after the answer to this.
I looked at his play from Paranoia and a bunch of other ones too, and this game's play looked nothing like his play in former games, either town or scum, which was the cause of the "second guessing" comment I started with. Do you think his meta indicates something about his alignment, particularly his drastic change in playstyle? the part in bold is a lieShow nested quote +On January 13 2013 15:22 slOosh wrote:On January 13 2013 14:38 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2013 14:36 slOosh wrote:
Ok, enough second guessing, my case is gonna be on Xatalos. People should read up on his filter before reading my case so they can better look at it objectively. Next post will be case. you said enough second guessing, what were your other thoughts about before deciding on xatalos? "Maybe Xatalos is really really weird town" was my conflicting thought. the second quote (which came first) suggests that sloosh is completely unfamiliar with xatalos' play, while the first quote suggests that he'd done extensive meta research before making his big xatalos case. the second quote suggests that slOosh's "second guessing" was due to him trying to decide if xata is scum or weird town, and the first quote suggests that slOosh's "second guessing" was due to meta arguments. ##unvote
##Vote:slOoshfuck, i don't know which scum i should vote for lol
you're fucking stupid.
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I just finished reading.
Add LM to my list, I guess. I still think Xatalos needs to die, and Zentor is still missing.
On January 15 2013 03:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
wbg, why does your play seem so half-assed compared to your usual standard?
"Secondly, there are 6 hours left in the day and we need to consolidate. I would very much like that we consolidate on Xatalos or Zentor. We have 3 nonvoters, one of whom has done nothing (Ruuch) one of whom should have actually done something already (supersoft) and one of whom very well might be scum (Zentor)"
this is like the weakest push i've ever seen from you
when you have as much confidence in the forum as I do right now, you probably wouldn't give a shit either.
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##unvote
##vote LazerMonkey
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it's pretty hard to tell, given your calibre of play, whether you are stupid or scum.
In fact, it's been hard for the last several games, the easiest being LVIII.
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On January 15 2013 03:44 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
it's pretty hard to tell, given your calibre of play, whether you are stupid or scum.
In fact, it's been hard for the last several games, the easiest being LVIII. What do you mean LVIII? I haven't played in such game.
I meant players in general, not just you.
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On January 15 2013 04:03 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 03:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 15 2013 03:44 Xatalos wrote:On January 15 2013 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
it's pretty hard to tell, given your calibre of play, whether you are stupid or scum.
In fact, it's been hard for the last several games, the easiest being LVIII. What do you mean LVIII? I haven't played in such game. I meant players in general, not just you. Right... But if I'm so hard to read, why are you so willing to lynch me? Even though you're giving Jay a free pass for the exact same reason? The more I think about, the more I'm starting to lean scum on you.
because everyone in this game is like that.
Also, at the very least I have several games played with jay, and so far (crosses fingers) I have not been incorrect about him.
Also, from what I remember your play as town is not like this.
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On January 15 2013 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote:I just finished reading. Add LM to my list, I guess. I still think Xatalos needs to die, and Zentor is still missing. On January 15 2013 03:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
wbg, why does your play seem so half-assed compared to your usual standard?
"Secondly, there are 6 hours left in the day and we need to consolidate. I would very much like that we consolidate on Xatalos or Zentor. We have 3 nonvoters, one of whom has done nothing (Ruuch) one of whom should have actually done something already (supersoft) and one of whom very well might be scum (Zentor)"
this is like the weakest push i've ever seen from you when you have as much confidence in the forum as I do right now, you probably wouldn't give a shit either. Do explain, you haven't even mentioned me prior to this...
after replacing kush you haven't really done anything to convince me you are town.
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scum jay does get lynched less than town jay. But, jay rolls scum less often than town, just like any other player. He's been actively trying to make reads, and I think that puts him in the town column for now, regardless of how tentative or shaky that read may be, he's not a good lynch for today.
Suppose we lynch him, he flips town. Who would you kill then? Suppose we lynch him and he flips scum. Same question.
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so, something he does as town normally? Lol.
Read these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2012 14:16 jaybrundage wrote:
Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them.
Ok Clarity ill lay out my thinking for you.
First off I have had a scum tell on Thrawn for quite a while now. However I was hoping giving him the benefit of the doubt would prompt him to come out and explain him self. Sadly he hasn't done so.
I have also had some bad experiances with me as town going off on easy band wagons and ending up killing a townie day one.
This has happened multiple times for me. It may not be so with vets. As we have had some good conversation going on. But i have had games, like i stated before that people all decide to vote someone. And it kills the discussion of the town.
Also I dont feel like its necessary to have to vote someone each time my scum reads change. I believe that me saying who i am suspicious of and explaining my reads and voting closer to deadline is fine. i dont know why people make a big deal about that.
So in conclusion, Yes i think that thrawn is likely scum.
No I have not switched my stance on him,
But i have been persistently saying i want him to explain his actions
And No i don't feel i need to vote now if my reads are out there.
On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ JayI read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.)
And tell me how they are any different from jay's posts this game.
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do you think as scum he would be so insistent on answering a question he posed to me?
Why would he care so much about my opinion, to continue asking me for over 3 hours, as scum? Do you really think he would put forth that kind of effort to blend in as scum?
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either way if Lazer flips I'd still be interested in Xatalos, but if Lazer flips town hopeless looks much worse.
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also I agree that grush afking right now is bothersome.
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yo hapa, can you give me a list of past games of yours I can read?
Also I just noticed you went to school in MI :p cool, I'm a MI native haha.
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I don't think both Prom and LM are scum together. Doesn't make much sense for a scum Prom to leave his vote so early on a scumbuddy.
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