EPTregardless of your real alignment, especially if youre town, i want your honest opinion!
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supersoft
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regardless of your real alignment, especially if youre town, i want your honest opinion! | ||
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thrawn2112
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On January 13 2013 23:56 thrawn2112 wrote: i would vote sloosh or prom right now why sloosh? | ||
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thrawn2112
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I asked him for his opinions on a few other players and he failed the thread reading test with his response: On January 13 2013 15:35 slOosh wrote: super pulled some total bs with his second entry, which happened to coincide when you started your pressure on Xatalos. It's really dangerous to make such connections but the case stands well enough alone that it's something worth considering. ruuch is totally new, and all he has to do is chime in with his most current thoughts now and again and we will all get along. Going after him right now makes no sense to me. I wrote down somewhere hopeless was just echoing something someone else already said, and put down "acting useless". I like grush. Mr Zentor is ok too. And by that I mean, unless someone shows me Xatalos and super is probably not scum, I won't be looking into these guys. his read on super was based on his read on xatalos which is the easiest thing ever for scum to fake. his comments on ruuch do not mention the fact that he got voted for early on and did not respond in a townie way to the vote. he didn't mention anything relevant about hopeless, grush, or zentor either. I asked about those players specifically because there is stuff to say about them and they have all had their own impact on the thread, yet sloosh doesn't talk about anything they've actually done. he just spat out some generic statements about them. He only had an opinion about xatalos and his opinions about other things were either extremely shortsighted or not at all relevant to what's actually happened in the game. | ||
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MrZentor
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On January 13 2013 23:54 supersoft wrote: ey zentor, do you admit that a townread based on that one post is extremely suspicious. regardless of your real alignment, especially if youre town, i want your honest opinion! I would agree that somebody having a town read on Kush based on that one post would be strange, and if that happened it should certainly be looked into, but I don't see it as something scum would do. It can be dangerous for scum to have a townread on a townie, because later in the game, when there are several confirmed town, scum sometimes have difficulty finding people to push for a lynch; the scum will have to pretend to transition from a town read to a scum read on that person, which can be particularly difficult to fake. | ||
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supersoft
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On January 14 2013 00:11 thrawn2112 wrote: his case on xatalos wasn't really anything that hadn't been said and therefore seemed like a huge waste of words to write about something that a lot of people are already thinking I asked him for his opinions on a few other players and he failed the thread reading test with his response: his read on super was based on his read on xatalos which is the easiest thing ever for scum to fake. his comments on ruuch do not mention the fact that he got voted for early on and did not respond in a townie way to the vote. he didn't mention anything relevant about hopeless, grush, or zentor either. I asked about those players specifically because there is stuff to say about them and they have all had their own impact on the thread, yet sloosh doesn't talk about anything they've actually done. he just spat out some generic statements about them. He only had an opinion about xatalos and his opinions about other things were either extremely shortsighted or not at all relevant to what's actually happened in the game. mhm good! I agree. On January 14 2013 00:11 MrZentor wrote: I would agree that somebody having a town read on Kush based on that one post would be strange, and if that happened it should certainly be looked into, but I don't see it as something scum would do. It can be dangerous for scum to have a townread on a townie, because later in the game, when there are several confirmed town, scum sometimes have difficulty finding people to push for a lynch; the scum will have to pretend to transition from a town read to a scum read on that person, which can be particularly difficult to fake. mhm no. I don't agree. That's not true at all. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On January 13 2013 10:29 grush57 wrote: Okay, I am scum because I am useful, or I am scum because of meta. But the only time I was scum was when I lurked. ? And Jay put in his post so we have something to talk about. Hopeless is scum yo. ##Vote: Hopeless1der First, I'm no longer convinced of my scumread, but here's my explanation for my reasoning. That thing I recalled from memory was austinmcc's breakdown of town-grush vs scum-grush in PTP3 (spoilered for length): + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote: A Tale of Two Grushes Grush - LV Day 1 involves a mayor/pardoner vote. Grush is pretty active during that day. Some one liners, some longer posts, but actual thoughts. See? Look at that. Like a page of filter off the bat, with some real stances. Grush open being poked at by Toad, over a potential scumslip: Look at this conversation with Toad. Toad initially points out an inconsistency in the number of scum, says Grush might be scum because he counted only 5 scum in a game that had 6 (indicating he might have 5 buddies). Grush gives actual responses, discusses it just being a typo. Doesn't just discuss himself either, but notes the lurkers, has counted posts, and says where he thinks mafia might be hiding. Grush will occasionally call some folks scummy - + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:19 grush57 wrote: I nominate Kenpachi for the lynch. He is playing his scum meta. Last game, he was inactive and he turned out to be scum. He's putting in less effort than Sinesis who got lynched. All of his posts are one liner's except for one which he makes a list, which is something a scum usually does(I learned that from a real vet.) I ACCUSE YOU, KENPIKACHU! On May 30 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote: I'm being mean Kenpachi, you're a pretty cool dude, I'm sorry :"(. There have been rumors, starting in LIV. That I have, mystical powers. They rarely unleash. This, is a special case. (LOL YEAH I JUST MADE A LIST WHEN I SAID MAKING LISTS ARE SCUMMY DEAL WITH IT) You would except him to pick 1-2 vets 2-3 normals and 2-3 noobs right 1.(The smart, cunning godfather) Mr.Wiggles(1 vet down) He posts long, too long to read. He knows better than to lynch someone with no information. I also heard he is pretty good at mafia. If you look at his posts, only a page and there is a lot of indecisiveness in his posts. 2.(The undeserving vet)Mattchew(MAKE IT 1.5) His trap, was actually a trap to get a townie to question him and to get an easy peasy day2 town lynch. He was also lurking and he is a vet common bro you are better. 3.(The bigshot normal)StrongandBig(Pewpew 1)Im running for mayor, jk, no seriously. Et, no gf Mr.Wiggles.Buss my buddy gambit. 4.(Deh studious lurker)Gambitxc32(1(forduhnubs)) I can imagine the qt now(YO GAMBIT MY MAN U GONNA LURK CUZ ALL DEEZ NUBZ ARE LURKING LOL, THO WHEN THEY FIGURE THAT ME, WIGGZ, IS GF U GOTTA VOTE ET SO WE DON'T LOOK CONNECTED)## Studious VOTE: agree. Oh and yeah he is a lurker and was scared of wbg getting on his case and went for him. He obviously is paying attention to game responding to jaj(?) post asking him about stuff or w/e lol. 5.(idk actually, lets say normal)Zealos(yeah were about quick to lynch someone who is town(LOL THEY DONT KNWO THAT I KNOW WHO IS TOWN) aww yeah towncred(like they were actually gonna lynch toad lol such easy cred town fools) Better lurk it up you know, be scummy and put no effort LOL wtf zealos. 6.papapanda or... Manason. When Kenpachi(♥) mentioned him I was like, holy shit these town nubs let another scum hide, brbbbb gotta check dem filter and this took a long time to post and I saw that you put starsenses. Now, I think you might say that or w\e because u think I'll mislead them, but no i am a wizard. Basically, he was doing a bunch of a lil commenting on people not on my starsense list saying bs, less than a page of filter, however he commented on my starsenses so I love him and probly not mafia. Manason- MMK CHECKED HIS FILTER 3RD PAGE-DONT LYNCH GRUSH POLICY LYNCHES ARE BAD. Okay, someone in your QT played LIV and knew how I screwed up town and told everyone to not lynch me so I'd screw up the game. All the people who wanted me dead early game was town(Sinesis and Bh) Noob mistake of saying(ooh protect my gf Mr. Wiggles) more 1 liners blah blah blah too long, OMG YOU GUYS ARE ON MY BUDDY LETS BRING UP KITAMAN27. No, he made the same mistake as me in LIV, randomly voted someone. My starsense powers sais he is town. Okay so I did all this in TL (LOL I KNOW) and the thread has probably progressed alot as this took like 20-30 mins to write. Please note I am unsure about the 6th mafia. Oh, and a lot of the bad grammar was on purpose. But he won't really back those accusations up - + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:04 grush57 wrote: Sigh majuju, you were lurking too and now that I called out your buddy you finally unlurked. LOL SERIOUSLY TOWN NUBS STAR TPOSTING asdaSDFASDFA. Okay, I will bring up the posts. Actually just read them too much work lol. On June 02 2012 04:33 grush57 wrote: Why don't you ask the scum that question? But really, its obvious who is town and who is scummy on that list of who voted. On the whole, including pregame banter and postgame, a little over 4 pages, and he died N2. Grush - LVI Grush's D1 - Here! Game starts somewhere in the middle. Way less contribution. When he does post, it's agreeing with someone, or little one liners, followed by just a vote on a wagon target. When Grush gets poked, he responds with one-liners - + Show Spoiler + Plenty of others but that's enough Scumgrush makes "cases," but they're just kind of weak accusations, or nonsense - + Show Spoiler + On July 04 2012 03:46 grush57 wrote: Grush was sitting in the tent. Vivax was walking in with a angry crowd behind him ridiculing him about his bad performance. His excuses were very bad, said the crowd, and that HIS LOGIC FAILS. Grush agreed. ##Vote: Vivax On July 07 2012 07:35 grush57 wrote: T_T definitely between Twelve and BKE though. Kurumi's post does really point out the flaws of BKE, and when pressure came off he was all beepin up the beep, ya know. BUT u may b like, GURSHDEVICE U DON'T HELP AT ALL. True, homeieieieieieieiieieeieieieieieiei, but it doesn't change the fact. aLZo, 11, __, 13 seems like a noobie townie. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ##Vote:BKE On July 13 2012 01:38 grush57 wrote: I want to lynch Majuju. all dat lurking and then when called out he is getting all freaky(in the wrong way mmkay) ##Vote: MajuGarzett On the whole, including pregame banter and postgame, a not quite 4 full pages of filter. Lived until endgame, which was the end of D4. So, based only on two games and nothing else, what patterns do we see in Grush's play?
PokeGrush PokeGrush's filter is a decent bit over 4 pages, after 3 full cycles (And he spent part of it banned) He starts off responding to questions - + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 09:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: How have you done that? Also, in keeping with the spirit of the thread, spam spam spam On August 20 2012 09:02 grush57 wrote: See look at wiggles, he asks me a legit question. Plus, he continues my tradition  To answer the question, breadcrumb, and meta. Plus I'm town. Now, we must find scum. I must stop posting so scum can start posting and then we catch them. Cool trick. On August 22 2012 11:39 grush57 wrote: Well I mean he's posting cases and defending himself and contributing. I don't know why he was the closest to being lynched. On August 24 2012 02:28 grush57 wrote: Well, half his posts are before the game, and he just is basically lurking and not helping. In scum teams in my experience, you have 2-3 active in the thread, and 1-2 basically lurking Toad and chezinu died, I feel like there is only one major player in the thread that is scum atm. Also dirk may be scum aswell, before his posts were useless and now he just lurks. He gives some reads, with...some reasoning - + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 10:55 grush57 wrote: Okay so, I get banned, then People are all up in Drazerk's face because he is telling everybody to kill him and being stupid with that attitude. Still, I think he is town. Then the town switched to Dirkzor, I don't think he is scum either, he is helping out and responding. Hopeless1dr ninja votes, he is scum. People calling out Kurumi for being scummy, I agree. Toad(jk, lol idk) shoots VE, people get on VE's chain for policy lynching. NO ONE IS UP IN JINGLE'S GRILL ABOUT HIM WANTING TO POLICY LYNCH ME:O. Also I think Hiropro? Heist? made a post calling out Jingle which is good cuz he is scum. Then it's like Zephirrid(null on him, he has been getting scummier the longer the game has been going so far) and imallison(who I thought was a noob townie) and dirkzor(I think he is town aswell). End up lynching a townie and thats about where we were at. So my scum list is: JingleHell(SCUMSCUMSCUM) Hopeless1dr(ninja vote, scum) Maybe BioSC(I don't even know why but he is scum) He engages in minor discussion - + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 11:03 grush57 wrote: lol. no. You're assuming he's playing differently because he got butthurt. I'm saying that your scum. Different things On August 25 2012 06:49 grush57 wrote: Jingle, you don't answer to any of the cases against you, you keep bandwagoning on the townies!!!!!!!!!!! You call me scum because I'm actually playing this time?!?!?!?1?!!??!?1?1?1!/1?1?1!?1?1 However when commenting on VE's play you said he wanted to play differenty and give him the benefit brohan. Which is me questioning VE being town right now. But all the vets aren't trying, the one who did was BC and he died, and Wiggles is playing the EXACT same way he did as scum before. When I played with WBG before and he was town he was very active, and Kenpachi could be town or scum because he is Kenpachi. **I doctored this quote because it was split into two posts** I could keep pulling more stuff from this game, but now I want to do something else. So instead, you should read this. You should come to your own conclusions. But if you think Grush is scum, you need some decent reasoning. Because it looks to me like he's playing much more like he did in LV than in LVI. It looks to me like there are some actual helpful posts buried in the trolling. D2 I didn't think hopeless1der was scum, but I didn't fight it hard enough, had just entered the game. D3 I didn't think VE was scum, and I should have swapped my vote from Wiggles to misder in order to try and get a switch at the end. D4 I don't think Grush is scum, and it's time to actually stand up and fight his lynch, early. I do not want scum having control of this one. The jist of what was relevant to me was that scum-grush is rather flippant when accused, just like his response to Thrawn this game. In addition, grush' towncrumb is 100% accurate afaik, so I was kind of baiting for that as well. He's completely self-aware of this fact, but its probably no longer useful because I'm using it to explicitly coerce him now. Since I reinforced my scumread without actually doing anything, he OMGUSed me with the reasoning that I didn't have a legitimate reason for voting him (as quoted above). Grush' activity has little to no bearing on his scumminess to me because in my experience he trolls regardless of alignment. His relative 'usefulness' is different and worth noting but is not alignment indicative. His questions and concern for the game (which is still apparent in troll-mode) are what distinguishes grush from his town/scum selves. What I 'expected' from town-grush was closer to his response to me. His response to Thrawn was dismissive and was really the only reason I had to go after him in the first place. When I accused him, he wanted to know why I thought he was scum, seemed to want to discuss it. He's also spent time reading the thread, or at least it seems that way from his filter. ##Unvote: grush57 | ||
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MrZentor
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On January 14 2013 01:07 supersoft wrote: It's not going to get us anywhere Zentor. You just stupidly defend yourself. I expected a certain answer and I wanted to follow that up with another line of thoughts, but i see that i cannot work with you. Consequently, I just end our conversation. So you expected me to say that defending Kush based on one post was scummy? But because I disagree with you, I am stupidly defending myself? You're inferring that your opinion on the matter is right and mine is wrong; if that is so, show me why my reasoning is wrong and give an explanation of your own stance. You can hardly say I'm "stupidly defending myself" when I give an explanation for my stance, especially when you give none for yours. That's pretty hypocritical. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Your super-awesome-mega-MrZ scumslip was him calling jay town so early? | ||
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On January 13 2013 12:40 kushm4sta wrote: dumb question @thrawn I didn't even read his filter and come to that conclusion. I just remember it from reading through the thread. I will find examples tho inc. Hey kush, do this (the bolded) please. | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:29 thrawn2112 wrote: hopeless can you get to talking about scumreads soon? yes sir, reading thread atm. | ||
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Kushm4sta pissed because the host said he'd modkill him if he goes retard. ++ buddys me - funny guy though + grush57 I am town. + "How do you know? scum with supersoft hmm?" ++ Hapahauli stupid spammer townie ++ annoys me wherebugsgo lightest green talks to me -/+ decent list + Xatalos understands me + jaybrundage zentor says hes town + Ruuch newbie Hopeless1der I am town. + excuse - thrawn2112 more like pink - refused to say he's town "yes, i wonder this as well" lol. yeah sure. i dont buy it. "it'd be fun to be a scumteam again, skyping was more fun than posting in the real thread in that game" - pointless --- "no/yes of course, duh" -votes sloosh good case on sloosh. ++ Promethelax pointless questions, didnt read -- MrZentor "Super, Jay is town. -.-" scumslip ? is the older cousin. defend is naturally - how does he know he's town, is still the question says he can read jay because of one post of his -- wrong thought about what scum does and what not. confuses kush and jay even though jay is his cousin? slOosh calls my stuff BS, hides behind common opinions -- bad case on easy xatalos - really bad reasoning accusing me --- ______________________________________________________________________________ i usually don't do this, since i am afraid people sheep me and i cannot get reads of them as easy. But i feel like we're pretty early in this game and my reads are not at all engraved in stone and can change pretty quickly. I think there are so many new players in this game, it cannot be bad to show you how i scumhunt, since i am fairly successful usually (not always at d1 though since the votes and the lynches and especially night actions give me the most informations). | ||
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thrawn2112
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how do i get points deducted for voting sloosh, yet i get town points for making a case on sloosh? | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote: super.... how do i get points deducted for voting sloosh, yet i get town points for making a case on sloosh? the "-" in front of stuff is meaningless. | ||
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MrZentor "Super, Jay is town. -.-" scumslip ? is the older cousin. defend is naturally - how does he know he's town, is still the question says he can read jay because of one post of his -- wrong thought about what scum does and what not. confuses kush and jay even though jay is his cousin? 1. I already explained why it wasn't a "scumslip", so why are you bringing this up again? 2. My thoughts on what scum do or don't do allowed me to catch both scum last game. Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it's wrong. 2. How do I confuse Kush and Jay? 3. Don't worry, people probably won't sheep you, if anything, you're sheeping Thrawn on Sloosh. A lot of what you say makes people scummy or town is either not alignment indicative or it is alignment indicative, but you think it think it indicates the alignment that it doesn't. For instance, grush57 I am town. + "How do you know? scum with supersoft hmm?" ++ Saying "I am town." is something both scum and town often do; if anything, scum are more likely to do it. (Defending themselves before anybody attacks them.) thrawn2112 more like pink - refused to say he's town "yes, i wonder this as well" lol. yeah sure. i dont buy it. "it'd be fun to be a scumteam again, skyping was more fun than posting in the real thread in that game" - pointless --- "no/yes of course, duh" -votes sloosh good case on sloosh. ++ Refusing to say he is town draws more attention toward him, scum don't like attention; this makes it more likely that he's town than scum. There are a lot of things like this in your case, but it would take a long time to show each one and tell you why it's wrong. You seem to think you're a mildly competent scumhunter; how many times have you either lead a lynch on a scum or were the first to accuse them seriously? Can you cite any specific examples? | ||
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Kush for being flipfloppy as all hell regarding MrZ: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2013 12:45 kushm4sta wrote: oh shit brb must go on ss' mission. Looking for scumslip On January 13 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote: dont see the scumslip at all read his filter twice lol. One day I will win your approval somehow though because I think your name is so awesome. He does look hella scum tho. Defending EVERYONE for no reason. ##vote mrzentor Didn't find scumslip, but wait, still scum. Also, "EVERYONE" On January 13 2013 12:59 kushm4sta wrote: yeah but you defended him from so many different angles that it seemed like separate people. 1 person = EVERYONE!!!! (Note, still scum) On January 13 2013 14:00 kushm4sta wrote: i read his filter twice i thought it was scummy. THEN everyone who knows his meta says he isn't scummy. he doesn't respond scummily. i dont think he's scummy is that explained enough to you? also your name is pronounced shatalos? sorry but this is relevant to me because I like to say it in my head. I guess I can sheep the thread to justify my votes. On January 13 2013 14:01 kushm4sta wrote: second person you defended without cause to. back on my scum list. ATM i woudl lynch. And also his neglecting to followup about Hapa being fallacious, which was promised here: On January 13 2013 12:40 kushm4sta wrote: dumb question @thrawn I didn't even read his filter and come to that conclusion. I just remember it from reading through the thread. I will find examples tho inc. Super has been insanely caught up in pushing MrZentor for his "scumslip", and is now resorting to calling him stupid or bad in order to justify his decision to ignore him. On January 14 2013 01:07 supersoft wrote: It's not going to get us anywhere Zentor. You just stupidly defend yourself. I expected a certain answer and I wanted to follow that up with another line of thoughts, but i see that i cannot work with you. Consequently, I just end our conversation. His response to wbg's question, specifically his talking about Prom being a good catch: On January 13 2013 21:00 supersoft wrote: ahm, agree on Zentor obviously disagree on xatalos right now, slooshs case doesn't convince me. Many pointless questions were asked in this thread. He randomly understands my smilie-pressuring... got to think about him a little. Hopeless vote on grush is terrible, + Show Spoiler + i read grush as town, grushs questions make sense, overall posting look okay, i don't see any signs of scummyness. Prom is a nice catch, i agree on him. His larger post + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote: Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started. Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now. For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I. Super, are you town? pointless, i already answered this question in my very first post - he didnt read Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column? pointless Jay, what's your read of zentor? Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name. looks extremely scummy, pointless questioning, didn't read the thread properly ...Bugs literally put Prom's name into a list with no supporting arguments and a very vague question. Right now bugs filter is 3 posts. SS's response doesn't feel natural to me. Go back and look at the timing. BUGS' List Prom's first post since the game started SS finding a "good catch" Those posts happened in that order. SS should not have been able to retroactively apply Prom's post to wbg's "scum"read. This post: On January 13 2013 21:25 supersoft wrote: Is also drastically out of place because he's half buddying sloosh while calling him scum and also, Sloosh has never exhibited suspicion towards Zentor, showing SS is not reading the thread. He's kind of trolling I guess? Also, calling Hapa terrible for no reason whatsoever.hapahauli is terrible but he thinks he's great, sloosh is scum. ##vote sloosh sloosh, are you voting zentor with me, if i move my vote away from you? For reference, Sloosh's stance on Zentor: On January 13 2013 15:35 slOosh wrote: super pulled some total bs with his second entry, which happened to coincide when you started your pressure on Xatalos. It's really dangerous to make such connections but the case stands well enough alone that it's something worth considering. ruuch is totally new, and all he has to do is chime in with his most current thoughts now and again and we will all get along. Going after him right now makes no sense to me. I wrote down somewhere hopeless was just echoing something someone else already said, and put down "acting useless". I like grush. Mr Zentor is ok too. And by that I mean, unless someone shows me Xatalos and super is probably not scum, I won't be looking into these guys. On January 13 2013 09:28 supersoft wrote: Okay announcement: Don't talk about pointless SHIT!!! scum loves to talk about pointless stuff. Do when the game is over. Right now we're playing the game and we're not in some kind of off-topic thread! FOCUS!!! Don't let this game end in a mess like the Kurumi game! This post isn't that scummy on the surface, but combined with his smilie bs discussions, seems like he's vying for free townie-points by looking like he's directing the thread. Out of the two, I feel stronger about SS. ##Vote: supersoft | ||
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