EPTOn January 13 2013 15:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa what your #1 scum read?
hapa what your #1 scum read?
Xatalos for the reasons stated above, followed pretty closely by Hopeless.
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Xatalos for the reasons stated above, followed pretty closely by Hopeless. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Xatalos doesn't actually scumhunt. He asks strings of pointless questions, and brings up things and then doesn't provide any conclusions. On January 13 2013 11:07 Xatalos wrote: Why are you even playing this game if you don't want to put in effort? I can't imagine scum playing like that, but that's still not an excuse to play anti-town. What is the purpose behind this post? First, it doesn't even make sense. Not being able to imagine scum playing like that has nothing to do with an excuse to play anti-town. Perhaps he thinks kush is town and wants him to shape up? Well then why does he contradict himself when he called out jay for doing the exact same thing? On January 13 2013 09:27 Xatalos wrote: That smilie doesn't really mean anything, but rather look at jay's post before it. That's just too aggressive for my taste. Did anyone else react like that to Kushm4sta's (trollish) posting? Why would it be scummy to draw attention without any need? Even the way he does it is strange. It doesn't directly say, 'hey jay is making out things that aren't there, jay is scummy for doing so'. It's more of an invitation for people to consider jay scummy without actually calling him scummy. On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote: What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? Here is a really awkward defense of supersoft. A totally unjustified soft defense of someone who hasn't done anything to deserve it. Stands in stark contrast to finding jay's post 'too aggressive for his taste'. On January 13 2013 12:01 Xatalos wrote: Well, take a look at my previous game. I was lynched because I couldn't get a solid scumread on anyone. I'm definitely trying my best, but it's this early. If I had to lynch someone at this spot, it would be Jay. This is the first time some pressure is applied on him. How does he handle it? It is a totally apologetic tone, mixed in with some appeasement (which contrasts to him "calling out jay" later on, even though nothing has really changed, not to mention that he doesn't mention at all jay's posts on supersoft, or supersoft's scummy second entrance). Scum apologize and make themselves seem smaller than they are (cf Ver's guide). ##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 13 2013 14:38 thrawn2112 wrote: you said enough second guessing, what were your other thoughts about before deciding on xatalos? "Maybe Xatalos is really really weird town" was my conflicting thought. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 13 2013 15:22 slOosh wrote: "Maybe Xatalos is really really weird town" was my conflicting thought. any comments on other stuff that's happened in the thread? what do you think about hopeless, grush, super, zentor, and ruuch? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding Xatalos His interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ. I think the post you are thinking of is directed at kush (based on the next post in his filter). | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 13 2013 15:28 slOosh wrote: I think the post you are thinking of is directed at kush (based on the next post in his filter). Yes that's what I said no? Xatalos direct a post towards Kush here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=14#280 At which point MrZ confronted him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#282 At which point Xatalos backed down: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#287 | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 13 2013 15:24 thrawn2112 wrote: any comments on other stuff that's happened in the thread? what do you think about hopeless, grush, super, zentor, and ruuch? super pulled some total bs with his second entry, which happened to coincide when you started your pressure on Xatalos. It's really dangerous to make such connections but the case stands well enough alone that it's something worth considering. ruuch is totally new, and all he has to do is chime in with his most current thoughts now and again and we will all get along. Going after him right now makes no sense to me. I wrote down somewhere hopeless was just echoing something someone else already said, and put down "acting useless". I like grush. Mr Zentor is ok too. And by that I mean, unless someone shows me Xatalos and super is probably not scum, I won't be looking into these guys. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 13 2013 15:31 Hapahauli wrote: Yes that's what I said no? Xatalos direct a post towards Kush here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=14#280 At which point MrZ confronted him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#282 At which point Xatalos backed down: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#287 I'm looking at these, where he says "should have quoted this post". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#287 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#289 On that note I also like jay on his ability to read and point out the ambiguity. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 13 2013 15:38 slOosh wrote: I'm looking at these, where he says "should have quoted this post". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#287 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#289 On that note I also like jay on his ability to read and point out the ambiguity. Oh geezus I'm off today. Yeah that last bit was directed at Kush and not MrZ. X- out that bit, but the soft-defenses still stand. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I don't like his case on MrZ, but I'm unsure if that's scum motivated or ignorant-townie motivated. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I will be doing the readings in a second. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
three of four Hopeless Xatalos Zentor Promethelax | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 13 2013 15:48 Hapahauli wrote: Also SloOsh, is the reason you think supersoft is scum only because of association, or is there something else? I don't like his case on MrZ, but I'm unsure if that's scum motivated or ignorant-townie motivated. I never make reads based on associations, and no one ever should. I think he is scum because of the stupid way he presented the whole thing. He an old school player, and from the little I've seen he is good. Not sure what you mean by ignorant. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 13 2013 16:37 slOosh wrote: I never make reads based on associations, and no one ever should. I think he is scum because of the stupid way he presented the whole thing. He an old school player, and from the little I've seen he is good. Not sure what you mean by ignorant. Ignorant in the sense that people unfamiliar with MrZ jump on him all the time. I'll have to look through super's meta some to get a feel for his play | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now. For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I. Super, are you town? Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column? Jay, what's your read of zentor? Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Bugs, is that four man list you posted something you believe? This is very important, please answer it. I thought about something in the shower that rests on the answer to this question. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 13 2013 16:03 wherebugsgo wrote: super, agree/disagree: three of four Hopeless Xatalos Zentor Promethelax ahm, agree on Zentor obviously disagree on xatalos right now, slooshs case doesn't convince me. Many pointless questions were asked in this thread. He randomly understands my smilie-pressuring... got to think about him a little. Hopeless vote on grush is terrible, + Show Spoiler + i read grush as town, grushs questions make sense, overall posting look okay, i don't see any signs of scummyness. Prom is a nice catch, i agree on him. His larger post + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote: Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started. Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now. For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I. Super, are you town? pointless, i already answered this question in my very first post - he didnt read Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column? pointless Jay, what's your read of zentor? Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name. looks extremely scummy, pointless questioning, didn't read the thread properly | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
sloosh is scum. ##vote sloosh sloosh, are you voting zentor with me, if i move my vote away from you? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
grush57 (1): Hopeless1der Hopeless1der (1): grush57 Xatalos (1): slOosh slOosh (1): supersoft Not Voting (9): thrawn2112, Promethelax, Hapahauli, Kushm4sta, jaybrundage, wherebugsgo, Xatalos, Ruuch, MrZentor Currently, grush is set to be lynched! (because of tiebreaker rules) 34.5 hours left until the deadline. PM me or Cheese if I counted something incorrectly. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote: Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting. I've specifically stated several times that I don't have a town read based on how much he posts; my town read on him is based on the aggressiveness of his posts and the motives behind them. I've even gone into detail more than once on my read on him. Please read more carefully. On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote: Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O @ MrZ I don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement. @ Supersoft Have you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him. Also, please reply to my previous post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=6#119 Regarding Xatalos His interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ. That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced: I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now. I actually have a null read one Kush. I was simply pointing out Xatalos's terrible logic and misuse of Occam's Razor. On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote: Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started. Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now. For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I. Super, are you town? Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column? Jay, what's your read of zentor? Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name. I've already been mildly helpful, so I don't know why you would ask that question, unless you hadn't really read the thread and just wanted to make it look like you were doing something. | ||
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