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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 04:56 GMT
#281
On January 13 2013 13:19 MrZentor wrote:
Well, he was in it, I suppose, but he didn't read the last half.


Well, you did make a huge comeback later in the game. But you've posted more stuff so far in this game than during the early game there...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 13 2013 04:59 GMT
#282
On January 13 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 13:25 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 13:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Rofllllllll. MrZentor.... this guy is fucking hilarious. Ill let you do you. Cousins lol.

On regards to the Zentor pressure. I would check the past game British Mafia.

He had a town read on me early he had town reads on most people. But it was weird he was convinced i was town. Then as we played more i realized that i was getting to understand his play more and had a town read on him.

But when he helped mislynch two townies my read flipped and i thought that he must be scum cause he was so positive of his town read on me and it freaked me out. He hard defended me the whole time just cause he had a good read on me being town. So I wanted to lynch him cause i thought he was scum for knowing my role. But as it turned out he was town made me change my read with some good logical thinking and then found the two remaining scum. MVP of that game for sure (I helped)

So although its kinda weird for him to have a town read on me this early if you look at last game it gives some perspective. Also why would Zentor hard defend a townie as scum. It doesnt make any sense. However if we have town Zentor defending someone he has a strong town read on then it makes sense.



Those two townie lynches were definitely Hapa's fault....

Hapa didnt even vote in the first one T_T

Need i quote

"HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM"


Yamato, the scum, was going to hammer him, regardless of whether I encouraged him or not.




Actually, Xatalos, I think Occam's Razor says he's town.

It doesn't make sense for scum to act like that; it's most probable that he's town.

That's the simplest solution, Occam's Razor.

What do you think of that?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 13 2013 05:00 GMT
#283
On January 13 2013 13:53 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ss wtf now I feel dumb for going on your dumb wagon.. everyone hates it.
##unvote mz

other people who look kind of scummy: hapa for dumb logic,ss for being scared shitless that he has to play 2 scum games in a row


Let me get this straight. You almost instantly leave the wagon after having voted, not because you see anything wrong in the wagon at all, but because it doesn't gain enough support for your liking. Then you proceed to throw some dirt on several additional players. It just fits a Mafia agenda too well and doesn't make any sense as town. Then again, your entrance to the thread was pretty suicidal from a Mafia perspective. But if I look at the recent pages (or even just this one post), Occam's razor says you're Mafia. Can you explain your behaviour?

i read his filter twice
i thought it was scummy.
THEN
everyone who knows his meta says he isn't scummy.
he doesn't respond scummily.
i dont think he's scummy
is that explained enough to you?

also your name is pronounced shatalos? sorry but this is relevant to me because I like to say it in my head.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 13 2013 05:01 GMT
#284
On January 13 2013 13:59 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 13 2013 13:25 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 13:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Rofllllllll. MrZentor.... this guy is fucking hilarious. Ill let you do you. Cousins lol.

On regards to the Zentor pressure. I would check the past game British Mafia.

He had a town read on me early he had town reads on most people. But it was weird he was convinced i was town. Then as we played more i realized that i was getting to understand his play more and had a town read on him.

But when he helped mislynch two townies my read flipped and i thought that he must be scum cause he was so positive of his town read on me and it freaked me out. He hard defended me the whole time just cause he had a good read on me being town. So I wanted to lynch him cause i thought he was scum for knowing my role. But as it turned out he was town made me change my read with some good logical thinking and then found the two remaining scum. MVP of that game for sure (I helped)

So although its kinda weird for him to have a town read on me this early if you look at last game it gives some perspective. Also why would Zentor hard defend a townie as scum. It doesnt make any sense. However if we have town Zentor defending someone he has a strong town read on then it makes sense.



Those two townie lynches were definitely Hapa's fault....

Hapa didnt even vote in the first one T_T

Need i quote

"HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM"


Yamato, the scum, was going to hammer him, regardless of whether I encouraged him or not.




Actually, Xatalos, I think Occam's Razor says he's town.

It doesn't make sense for scum to act like that; it's most probable that he's town.

That's the simplest solution, Occam's Razor.

What do you think of that?


second person you defended without cause to.
back on my scum list. ATM i woudl lynch.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 13 2013 05:03 GMT
#285
What, I can't play devil's advocate?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 13 2013 05:10 GMT
#286
You really need to play more newbie games if you want to lynch me because I pointed out Xatalos's faulty reasoning.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 05:12 GMT
#287
Well... I can actually relate to that kind of thinking. I was under heavy suspicion last game for switching my reads based on others' opinions. It's still scummy though, but on the other hand, it's a blatantly scummy thing to do that actual scum wouldn't do (at least so clearly). Conclusion? Tentatively town, purely based on you doing too many anti-town/scummy things for it to make any sense as scum. It sounds stupid, yeah, but it's actually logical. Playing like that makes you get heavy pressure and you end up most likely claiming scum at some point unless you're an amazing player.

(It's pronounced Ksatalos btw, lol)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 13 2013 05:14 GMT
#288
On January 13 2013 14:12 Xatalos wrote:
Well... I can actually relate to that kind of thinking. I was under heavy suspicion last game for switching my reads based on others' opinions. It's still scummy though, but on the other hand, it's a blatantly scummy thing to do that actual scum wouldn't do (at least so clearly). Conclusion? Tentatively town, purely based on you doing too many anti-town/scummy things for it to make any sense as scum. It sounds stupid, yeah, but it's actually logical. Playing like that makes you get heavy pressure and you end up most likely claiming scum at some point unless you're an amazing player.

(It's pronounced Ksatalos btw, lol)

Who the hell are you talking too Zentor or Kush use a @ sign plz
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 05:18 GMT
#289
Should have quoted this post

On January 13 2013 14:00 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 13:53 Xatalos wrote:
On January 13 2013 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ss wtf now I feel dumb for going on your dumb wagon.. everyone hates it.
##unvote mz

other people who look kind of scummy: hapa for dumb logic,ss for being scared shitless that he has to play 2 scum games in a row


Let me get this straight. You almost instantly leave the wagon after having voted, not because you see anything wrong in the wagon at all, but because it doesn't gain enough support for your liking. Then you proceed to throw some dirt on several additional players. It just fits a Mafia agenda too well and doesn't make any sense as town. Then again, your entrance to the thread was pretty suicidal from a Mafia perspective. But if I look at the recent pages (or even just this one post), Occam's razor says you're Mafia. Can you explain your behaviour?

i read his filter twice
i thought it was scummy.
THEN
everyone who knows his meta says he isn't scummy.
he doesn't respond scummily.
i dont think he's scummy
is that explained enough to you?

also your name is pronounced shatalos? sorry but this is relevant to me because I like to say it in my head.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 05:20 GMT
#290
Also Jay, while you're here, do you think Kushm4sta is scum now? If not, who is your #1 read?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 05:28 GMT
#291
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 13 2013 05:36 GMT
#292
Ok, enough second guessing, my case is gonna be on Xatalos. People should read up on his filter before reading my case so they can better look at it objectively. Next post will be case.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 13 2013 05:38 GMT
#293
On January 13 2013 14:36 slOosh wrote:
Ok, enough second guessing, my case is gonna be on Xatalos. People should read up on his filter before reading my case so they can better look at it objectively. Next post will be case.


you said enough second guessing, what were your other thoughts about before deciding on xatalos?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 05:46 GMT
#294
On January 13 2013 14:36 slOosh wrote:
Ok, enough second guessing, my case is gonna be on Xatalos. People should read up on his filter before reading my case so they can better look at it objectively. Next post will be case.


Okay, bring it on. Unfortunately I'm going to sleep now (it's morning here already lol) so I'll take a look at it sometime later.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 13 2013 05:57 GMT
#295
On January 13 2013 14:46 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 14:36 slOosh wrote:
Ok, enough second guessing, my case is gonna be on Xatalos. People should read up on his filter before reading my case so they can better look at it objectively. Next post will be case.


Okay, bring it on. Unfortunately I'm going to sleep now (it's morning here already lol) so I'll take a look at it sometime later.


HE AINT SCARED
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 13 2013 05:58 GMT
#296
Lynch into hopeless, zentor, xatalos gogogo.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 13 2013 05:58 GMT
#297
On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote:
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting.

Da fuck I have been scum hunting have you read my filter. I was pressuring Supersoft, and defending a town read I have.

Dont throw baseless accusations at me. Atm your looking kinda scummy you ask questions in the thread never draw any conclusions about the things you ask. You have a scum read on Kush and then when he changes his read on Mr.Zentor you say that hes too scummy to be scum hes town. ????? dafuq Thats after a single fucking small post. You got lynched last game day one for you 180's that make no damn sense and your doing them again this game.

The only thing that make's me hesitate to lynch you is that your such giant lynch bait. I also am not sure about Kush both of you guys have such fluctuating reads.

Kush goes from this guy is scum vote. To oh wait ok hes not scum. To explaining why hes prolly not scum to being scum again. Like is this normal?
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 06:08 GMT
#298
Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O

@ MrZ

I don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement.

@ Supersoft

Have you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him.

Also, please reply to my previous post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&currentpage=6#119

Regarding Xatalos

His interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ.

That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced:
On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:

-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless

##unvote

Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.

A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.


What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless?

Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction?


I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 13 2013 06:15 GMT
#299
hapa what your #1 scum read?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 06:16 GMT
#300
On January 13 2013 12:45 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 12:42 supersoft wrote:
yo kushmasta,

On January 13 2013 12:36 MrZentor wrote:
Just to be clear, Kush, he never actually made that conclusion.

But I agree that Hapa's play this game is...off.


do you like how he agrees on everything?

can you find his scumslip?

I might accept you as a player if you answer correctly.


Also, I've already, although indirectly, pointed out that Hapa's play this game is different than usual, waaay before Kush said it.

From me to Hapa
Show nested quote +
I don't know; it looks as if you purposely took it out of context, just to make Jay look scummy. :/


So in a way, Kush is agreeing with me.


I certainly took it out of context, but it wasn't intentional. That's what I do early on Day 1 - I'll go after anything I perceive as scummy early on and think of the consequences later.
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