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On January 06 2013 10:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 10:27 jaybrundage wrote:On January 06 2013 10:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay tunneling me, haha. Hey look a post with out substance lollll How about you write a case on someone you wanna lynch plz I find it ironic that you think im tunneling you, as I have called DP scummy and said I would vote him at the time. And I have made a case on ShaioPi. You really don't know the meaning of ironic, do you? And no, you've pretty much had it out for me since the start of the game. Just think you need to calm yourself. @HapaWhat do you make of Yamatos vote on ya?
Nothing really. It's as useless as the rest of his game.
It's also rather sketchy considering he was sure I was town only yesterday.
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On January 06 2013 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 10:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding Shaio, he's pretty lurky as town too. I hate it, but it is what it is. Can't get a read on the guy if he ain't around. Yeah but it is worse as scum.
Perhaps. My mind always goes back to LVII where he had 7 posts as town by Day 3 or something, and I was screaming for a vigi shot on him.
My feeling was that he makes a ton more sense as town, and his scum play (Liquid City) reads as super-forced. I've seen neither so far in this game though =/
On January 06 2013 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
@ DP
What's the sense in voting for someone that's likely to get replaced? Also I'm rather surprised to see you not following up on Jay at all. If he get's replaced I'll move my vote. I did follow up on J. I read his entire filter from hero mini mafia and some of the context. The thing is that aside from his sniping which I could see a townie doing I wouldn't want to lynch him. He has contributed to the discussion, and even though I don't agree with a lot of what he says I can't justify a lynch on him at the moment. He has scumhunted. He has been fairly active. He has been fairly open to discussion. The one thing that worries me is that in Hero he seemed to be more engaged in the byplay than he has been this game but the difference is minimal and as I just said it isn't enough to lynch him for. Basically If I left my vote on Jay it would be solely for the sniping/misinterpretation and that isn't enough for me. Basically I have no solid solid reads at this juncture. And my largest read previously (you) is acting quite townie and has justified what I viewed as extreme confirmation bias in tunnelling me with a townie motive. So it's down to voting lurkers for the time being.
Idunno. The Rise vote just seems like a cop-out to me, given that all we know about his alignment is that he's a lurker.
Can you give me thoughts on Yamato, especially in light of his recent vote on me?
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On January 06 2013 10:39 jaybrundage wrote:
ugh im frustrated non else things that CC is scummy. DP thoughts on my two cc cases?
And hapa why are you convinced CC is townie he hasn't wrote a single case on his reads.
It would also suck if Rise got replaced. I just want him to come back tho. ShaioPi lets see ya
'Cause writing cases is not the defining factor in making a read. In fact, CC has been overall very clear about his suspicions - it's just that they're rather spread out through his posting.
He's an active, open, and willing participant in discussion, and the logical conclusion is that he's town.
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On January 06 2013 10:36 Blazinghand wrote:
RiseAgain is warned for inactivity.
At what point will you consider replacing RiseAgain? 48 hours of absence is a bit absurd.
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Well the main contention that I have is that he's super active and aggressive in all of his town games. Apparently he's busy RL-wise (hence me not voting him yet), but I still think his general attitude/personality seems too passive for his town play.
We'll see where he goes with his vote on me though. I'm a bit annoyed he didn't stick around for me to pick his mind though =/
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To map out my thoughts a bit:
People that are useless:
Yamato, RiseAgain, ShaioPi
People I wouldn't lynch above the useless d00ds:
Xatalos
People that are likely town, but I'm just infinitely paranoid about:
DarthPunk
People that are likely town:
MrZ, MrCC, Jay
I feel like two scum have to come from the useless category (possibly including Xatalos). Pretty much everyone else has given me some reason to think they're town except for three players.
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Also regarding Jay, I like his recent activity and attitude a lot. Even if his case on CC is bad, it doesn't seem malicious.
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On January 06 2013 11:07 MrZentor wrote:
Hapa, you never said what you think of yourself.
People that are lovable, townie dicks
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Sigh. Can you do something? You're not that bad at this when you actually try to play.
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Well I'm a bit at a loss for activity/posts/whatnot since all my potential scum-candidates are completely inactive. Unless someone from the group of ShaioPi, Rise, Yamato, or Xatalos decides to pop in, I'm likely done for the night.
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On January 06 2013 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Well it doesn't look like anything else interesting is going to happen today. We should consolidate soon. I'll lynch Yamato straight up or Xatalos.
Shaio lives on the other side of the globe from where we're from, so I expect some activity from him tonight. Ideally I want to give things 24 more hours at minimum. I really don't want to play russian roulette with a bunch of lurkers. I'd like to ideally get things right on the first go.
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Oooh an active replacement will be a nice change of pace - welcome Z-Bo!
Catching up on things right now. To clarify about spreadsheet - was that made before you knew you were replacing in>?
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@ Z-Boson
The Xatalos stuff looks good. Really don't have much to say other than that I agree with you.
@ Yamato
I don't think I'm being unjust at all. You've shown major behavior and activity differences between your previous town games and this game. I realize you said you were busy in RL, but I can't rely on that in my position, and I have to take your play at face value to a certain degree. I'm not going to let you off the hook of all pressure and activity for things I can't verify.
Though I do take into account RL concerns; there's a reason that I'm not voting you right now, and I want to give you an opportunity to respond. In particular, I'm very interested in your reads, because you haven't provided much in the scum-hunting department thusfar.
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Regarding the Spreadsheet
I think the pressing reads to address are the ones on Mr.CC, Yamato, and Shaio. I do realize that these are reads as of page 17, so if I missed an update... whoops.
Mr.CC - It's his recent behavior/activity that makes me think he's town. He's pretty fearless, and is generally replying without traces of guilt. It looks like you think he's town based on the last few pages of game-thread as well.
Shaio - Completely null on Shaio. He had a rather "interesting" point on Rise, but I don't think those are hard to replicate as scum. Other than that, he's done pretty much no scumhunting, which is frustrating, because it looks like it's mostly due to RL business rather than anything else. He has a history of super-lurking the early-game as town too.
Yamato - Welp. We'll see what tomorrow brings when I talk to him some more. His personality is visibly different, but I'm not convinced that it's a scummy deviation quite yet. That vote on me I'm thinking could come from an emotional townie as well. It's a horrendously risky play to vote me in such circumstances, which makes me think it's an emotional reaction rather than something scummy.
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@ Yamato
How's the activity outlook for you tomorrow?
Also, MrZ is your top scumread, correct? What do you make of Z-Bo's stuff on Xatalos?
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What's most concerning about you right now Yamato is the relatively little analysis in your filter. I would better accept a play-style change if the scumhunting came with it. It hasn't yet, and I don't know if that's due to RL stuff or more sinister motives.
Like really, I'm most interested in seeing you scum-hunt and building cases.
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Alright, well I'm in desperate need of some sleep, so I'll let you do your thing. A big part of my lynch decision will involve how much effort you put into finding scum in the upcoming day(s).
Gnite, and I look forward to seeing what you come up with
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Mornin' folks. Catching up
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@ Z-Bo
Regarding MrZ, I looked into his meta when I was playing with him in Witchcraft. He's always fairly trolly, but there's such a huge difference in activity level between his scum and town metas. He's much more scared to post as scum, and to a noticeable extreme at that.
He's someone I'm not considering for lynching today.
However, there are definitely things that are "off" about his game-play this game. For example, he seems to not give much of a shit about who gets lynched as long as someone dies. Even in Witchcraft Mini, he seemed to care more about lynch decisions. While I would find this horrendously scummy for other players, this is well within the bounds of what town MrZ would do. It's also Day 1 in an instant-lynch game, so I feel his pain in a way.
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@ Xatalos
Two things in your filter are bugging me right now.
1) You've been going after Shaio a great deal for being non-committal. However, you yourself have been arguably more non-committal all game, to the point where you don't have a single concrete scumread at this point.
2) When you made your case against Shaio, you were actively discrediting your own case within itself:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112¤tpage=25#486
All of his stances are neutral and weak. Although it's a bit hypocritical since I've been hesitant as well, but when he was town in our earlier game together, he had VERY strong opinions and even hard defended a scum until he actually flipped red. When he was Mafia, he was very quiet and vague. This just feels like much more fitting his scum meta, although it's not a huge pool of evidence.
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