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On January 08 2013 09:57 Z-BosoN wrote: don't see the point of this, but I think it's something you can tell from my filter. scum: mr.CC, mr.Z town: Hapa and you So how do you reconcile hapa's strong town reads on both your top scum reads with your strong town read on hapa? Is hapa flat out wrong? Are you wrong? | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Oh poor you. Your read doesn't come so easy though, so that's a plus right You know. I am rather worried about you ZB. For one. You have lost your shit at me almost every game we have played at one point or another. And this game you are down right friendly. There is something in your town meta which is a fucking rock solid solid solid tell that I have never mentioned, so I doubt you would be aware of it, that I have yet to see. Also you had like a massive lovefest with marv in that scum game you guys played so some of that was likely to have rubbed off on you. Caution is needed in your case I believe. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: LOL! I've been attacking you but you haven't responded in the slightest. Plus, that post of yours where you voted me I just went "lol", I'm not attacking you because you think I'm scum. Why don't you actually do something in this game Yamato. Everyone keeps saying that I'm "posting for posting" or blah blah blah. But you of all people should know I do that as town. A LOT. C'mon Yamato let's go. Tunnel me. @ bolded. He keeps doing it and it remains scummy as fuck. Baiting someone to tunnel you like that only serves to discredit and diminish yamato's read. He has done it with others also. I don't like it at all. @ Hapa how can you reconcile such behaviour with a town mindset? | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:18 Hapahauli wrote: How the fuck is the bolded a scum mindset. Are you retarded? How the fuck is it not. It is exactly what I would be saying in that situation as scum. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:21 Z-BosoN wrote: That's because you have yet to make a bad, illogical "I'M NOT READING" case against me. Even if you did make one though, I'd probably scream not at you but at those who follow it, given that YOU'RE thick as a brick. Big thing here is, and I hope you have learned that on mario, is that you shouldn't judge me by meta. Definitely be cautious with me, but see if I am pushing a scum agenda and/or my play makes no sense from a townie perspective, instead of going like meta meta meta as the other game. It should be obvious that I'm townie though, I'm trying like super hard this game >.< I am thick as a brick hey. Lovely. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:23 Z-BosoN wrote: Anyways DP, this isn't very productive. We should focus on other subjects, nay? What do you think of mr.Z and my discussion with hapa? MR Z is town. You are wrong. Hapa is right. Essentially. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:25 Z-BosoN wrote: Why do you think he is town? Just meta or are you reading a word I'm saying? He acted the same as town in witchcraft. He has had made reads both scum and town that were sensible. His flow chart was off the wall townie as hapa said. I hate the way he plays. He certainly trolls somewhat. But that does not make him scum and I haven't seen anything that would alter my town read on him. Calling out the way you entered the thread was null to me. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:23 Hapahauli wrote: Firstly, you are not CC. Secondly, attracting suspicion to yourself isn't scummy. I find those things town in general. At the very least it should be null. Yes, attracting suspicion to yourself IS townie. But that is exactly what you do if you are playing that style as scum. And he has done it pretty much everytime someone has called him out. Which causes me to read it as a heuristic to diminish suspicion by emulating a townie reaction, rather than a genuine show of emotion that has not been premeditated. One is townie the other is scummy. CC is scummy. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:42 MrZentor wrote: The chart was really easy to make. And your other question wasn't worth answering. That's fine. IDGAF about 'effort' as scum you can make a large effort posting bullshit cases and look townie. What I do care about is that the content of the chart contained a thought process that closely mirrored my own at the time and was quite revealing of MR Z's own thought process. I just don't see scum putting all their cards on the table like that because if that ever conflicted with scums agenda there would be no way to explain the fact that it was a radical departure from their previous thinking. You are free to disagree. But that chart seemed really townie to me. | ||
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On January 08 2013 11:15 jaybrundage wrote: I would be done for a Shaiopi lynch. Also DP why would you think im scum. If CC comes up as scum. Pushing your partner hard when there is only 2 scum is pretty stupid Process of elimination. Like I said. But yeah, obviously if cc flips red then I would need to look at things again. | ||
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On January 08 2013 12:26 Hapahauli wrote: Does it make sense from a scum perspective to shower suspicion on yourself? Scum mentality is to avoid the spotlight and blend in. CC is doing the exact opposite. Do I agree with how CC is playing? No. But that doesn't mean he's scum, because his play makes zero sense from that perspective. This is fucking bullshit hapa. His play makes perfect sense as scum. | ||
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Your argument can be WIFOM'd either way. | ||
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On January 08 2013 12:57 Hapahauli wrote: DP. You're telling me that you read the last few pages and you still think CC is scum... All his behaviour recently can plausibly be by an active scum. I don't really want to lynch him as much as I did and am starting to look at others if that makes you feel better. But I don't have the dead set town read you do, not even close, a lot of what you are saying about him is subjective/WIFOM, but being presented as an objective truth. Which is bullshit. | ||
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On January 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote: There seems to be a disconnect over what we think a hypothetical Mr.CC scum is capable of. Too right. | ||
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His behaviour towards me is directly correlated to the consensus of the thread. He starts off heaping shit on me when the whole town is sheeping hapa day one and I am universally unpopular. Then when everyone calls me town he still maintains suspicion of me publicly. HOWEVER he did nothing to back up that suspicion, barely interacted with me and has seemingly forgotten his suspicions of me without a reasonable explanation why. Townies do not let scum reads just drop off the face of the earth without reason. ##Vote Jay | ||
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CC is a big boy he can fight his own battles. | ||
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On January 08 2013 13:12 Hapahauli wrote: Listen. Yes I am critiquing your cases, because I disagree with you. That's part of the process here. For example, you think that him drawing attention to himself in such a manner is scummy. That's just simply not a scum tell. I think you'll find in a lot of your past games, that the scum aren't the ones drawing attention to themselves. They aren't the ones that OMGUS, are raving lunatics, or get into crazy fights. They are very often the ones blending in and hiding. You just finished Yet Another Normal Mini Mafia, right? Who was scum - Dr. Wiggles, Vivax, and Sciberia. They weren't super-active spammy dudes. They were for the most part trying to blend behind the scenes. The player under intense scrutiny and drawing attention to himself (Promethelax) was town. Then you have Newbie XXXII, where Rad and Oatsmaster were scum. Rad for the most part dropped a big case once in a while and blended in. Oatsmaster was active and spammy, but was so whiney compared to his towny self. So when I see you making this read on Mr.CC, I'm not attacking it to be an asshole. I'm attacking it because I believe it's fundamentally wrong, and I feel like I'm watching my less-experienced past self OMGUS townies into oblivion (which I did and still do with extreme regularity). And I'm sorry I'm being dickish about it, but I do feel very strongly about it. That is only one way to play scum HAPA. You should know that there are other ways to play scum which CC's posting fits perfectly. Your heuristic is wrong/too narrow. | ||
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On January 08 2013 13:22 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah, I understand that scum can play actively. However, I have yet to run into a scum that draws attention to themselves in such a manner so deliberately, and at the same time remain that calm about it. There are a very short list of players I believe are capable of that. CC is most definitely not one of those players. But you have no evidence to suggest that he can't. What you are saying is that the entire basis of your defense of CC and trashing everyones case on him is a Hunch that he couldn't play that way? | ||
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On January 08 2013 13:44 jaybrundage wrote: Yes I Sheeped Hapa in that moment, as did most of the thread on his case on you. Then Hapa turned around and gave you a town read. He explained his thought process a bit but i wasnt quite convinced. Why is it wrong to not go with everyones reads. I see nothing wrong with being suspicious of you. Would you pref i just sheep whatever the fuck hapa is saying. I then asked him again how many games he played with you has he been able to read you well before and he gave me two instances when he correctly read you as town. So with the new information i decided that I could change my read on you as scum to leaning townie. I didn't just drop my scummy read. I looked at new information presented and changed it accordingly. I believe you do the same. Yeah but you never informed anyone of your change of read. It was DP still scummy yo. To DP is townie now. So what you are saying is that you sheeped hapa when you thought I was scummy and sheeped hapa now you think I am townie. I wish people would stop sheeping hapa. | ||
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