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On January 08 2013 10:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:15 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 10:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 10:08 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 09:57 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 09:53 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
@ Yamato. You have a lot of experience playing with CC don't you? how would you say his play this game correlates to his previous games with you?
@ ZB have you dramatically altered your playstyle since the last time we played together? This is certainly not the town meta I remember from you. I've only played with town CC so I haven't seen his scum meta but this game doesn't look like the games I played with him. For one, he hasn't outright called me scum yet, he's actually defended me. Two, he doesn't seem active or invested like he usually does. Like I've said before, I have had a town read on him but it isn't strong, and it's quickly degrading. As for my top scum read, I still don't like Zentor for his play day 1 and he hasn't done anything to change that. I'm going to put some time into reading filters more carefully and see if I can see things more clearly. I've been calling you out for shit, apparently you haven't noticed? I wanted to LYNCH you day 1. I defended you a tad d1 and that's it. You've been saying the same things Hapa was. I don't see any reason to attach those questions to your thought process. Wait what? I still never defended you besides me saying "Yamato is being Yamato". Also, how can you say I don't seem as active? I'm as active if not more active than in my previous games with you with the exception of the first half of D1. You are straight up lying. A lot of your posting this game is what I would call "posting to post". You say nothing meaningful to the thread. You announce you're here, or that you're working, or make some snarky comment. This is different from your town games where you seem actively engaged in figuring out the game. And now this. You haven't seen any reason to respond to me before, but now that I give the slightest inkling I think you might be scum, you start attacking me. OMGUS much? CC, why so scummy? LOL! I've been attacking you but you haven't responded in the slightest. Plus, that post of yours where you voted me I just went "lol", I'm not attacking you because you think I'm scum. Why don't you actually do something in this game Yamato. Everyone keeps saying that I'm "posting for posting" or blah blah blah. But you of all people should know I do that as town. A LOT. C'mon Yamato let's go. Tunnel me. This is the second time you've tried to bait me into tunneling you. What is with you? It's like you want town to think you're scummy or something. As town generally you want to PROVE you're town, you know. That way you're not just wasting time. Instead you seem to want town to waste time being suspicious of you. Why? Because there's nothing you can actually throw at me. Your reasons for thinking I'm scum are hallow. You state that I don't contribute anything meaningful to the thread --- What have you done? Nothing. I haven't seen any specific reasoning from you thinking I'm scum. You even defended me day 1, and said that I was promoting discussion and generally being pro-town. C'mon. Why am I scum?
I defended you day 1 precisely because I thought you would contribute more meaningfully as town like you have in games past and now you aren't. You're OMGUSing people who are suspicious of you. This is not town CC.
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CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this:
On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato.
He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy".
Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it.
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On January 08 2013 11:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this: On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato. He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy". Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it. It took you an hour to dig up that? I am disappoint. If you really thought I was scum you would have had that in 10 minutes tops. Oh, and you seemed to have missed the part where I said I wasn't intentionally looking scummy, it was just a bi-product of my shenanigans to get answers. You know, the post after that in my filter. Try harder please, Yamato. Why am I scummy? This is just an extension of the "You aren't promoting useful discussion" argument.
Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum.
Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add.
I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play.
I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang.
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On January 08 2013 11:45 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 11:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this: On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato. He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy". Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it. It took you an hour to dig up that? I am disappoint. If you really thought I was scum you would have had that in 10 minutes tops. Oh, and you seemed to have missed the part where I said I wasn't intentionally looking scummy, it was just a bi-product of my shenanigans to get answers. You know, the post after that in my filter. Try harder please, Yamato. Why am I scummy? This is just an extension of the "You aren't promoting useful discussion" argument. Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum. Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add.I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play. I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Weren't you accusing him of... not defending himself before?
Where is this exactly?
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On January 08 2013 11:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:I know I just said I hate meta cases, but I think I've got a decent piece of meta here. In both of our games together, we were both town. Yamato would always post quickly and fiercely to any pressure he received. His posting this game feels more structured and put together. It's taking him a long time to put stuff together. He doesn't feel like that town Yamato I know and loathe. Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 11:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this: On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato. He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy". Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it. It took you an hour to dig up that? I am disappoint. If you really thought I was scum you would have had that in 10 minutes tops. Oh, and you seemed to have missed the part where I said I wasn't intentionally looking scummy, it was just a bi-product of my shenanigans to get answers. You know, the post after that in my filter. Try harder please, Yamato. Why am I scummy? This is just an extension of the "You aren't promoting useful discussion" argument. Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum. Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add. I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play. I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Now that's OMGUS. As for the bolded; I'm not defending myself. I'm trying to feel your reasons for thinking I'm scum. DP has some decent ones. You do not. You can't even explain why my posts are "useless".
Lol you're fucking retarded for calling my vote on you OMGUS. I'm the one YOU responded to, remember? Who is the one making cases on the other? Your reasons for calling me scum are that my case on yoiu is "bad"? You've done nothing to prove that point aside from just saying it.
You're so scummy it's ridiculous.
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On January 08 2013 11:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 11:48 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 11:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:I know I just said I hate meta cases, but I think I've got a decent piece of meta here. In both of our games together, we were both town. Yamato would always post quickly and fiercely to any pressure he received. His posting this game feels more structured and put together. It's taking him a long time to put stuff together. He doesn't feel like that town Yamato I know and loathe. On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 11:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this: On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato. He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy". Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it. It took you an hour to dig up that? I am disappoint. If you really thought I was scum you would have had that in 10 minutes tops. Oh, and you seemed to have missed the part where I said I wasn't intentionally looking scummy, it was just a bi-product of my shenanigans to get answers. You know, the post after that in my filter. Try harder please, Yamato. Why am I scummy? This is just an extension of the "You aren't promoting useful discussion" argument. Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum. Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add. I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play. I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Now that's OMGUS. As for the bolded; I'm not defending myself. I'm trying to feel your reasons for thinking I'm scum. DP has some decent ones. You do not. You can't even explain why my posts are "useless". Lol you're fucking retarded for calling my vote on you OMGUS. I'm the one YOU responded to, remember? Who is the one making cases on the other? Your reasons for calling me scum are that my case on yoiu is "bad"? You've done nothing to prove that point aside from just saying it. You're so scummy it's ridiculous. I'm not calling you scum. Paranoid much?
Then what are you doing in this exchange? Posting more useless bullshit trying to not get yourself lynched.
Stop claiming scum.
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EBWOP Also how is my vote an OMGUS vote if you're not calling me scum?
Man you're full of shit.
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On January 08 2013 11:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMGUS can come from either alignment. I'm trying to get a feel for you and why you think I'm scum. Trying to see if you're genuine or not.
If you're not calling me scum then how is there anything for me to OMGUS you for?
You're full of shit. Die scum.
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On January 08 2013 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 11:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMGUS can come from either alignment. I'm trying to get a feel for you and why you think I'm scum. Trying to see if you're genuine or not. If you're not calling me scum then how is there anything for me to OMGUS you for? You're full of shit. Die scum. Town can OMGUS one another. It happens all the time lol. Calm yourself.
OMGUS implies you are doing something I am responding with an OMGUS to. If you aren't calling me scum then how is my vote on you OMGUS at all?
But apparently you aren't, so it's not OMGUS, which means you're just spouting shit out of your mouth like I said you were.
Die scum.
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On January 08 2013 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Hapa
There I got Yamato to post some more. What are your thoughts on him? Is he genuine with his reasoning? I'm having a difficult time considering I know him fairly well. Can you provide some insight? I know you were lurking you devil.
More of this post-hoc rationale.
You're scum bro.
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On January 08 2013 12:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato this is fucking absurd. Repeatedly screaming "die scum" at someone is the most useless fucking thing you can do.
Then lynch him so I don't have to be ingratiated with his useless, scummy presence.
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On January 08 2013 12:09 Hapahauli wrote:
I need you (Yamato) to calmly and carefully lay out why you think CC is scum. Because the argument between the both of you has devolved to the point where it's no longer productive.
Read my fucking posts. It's all there. If you don't agree with me I don't give a shit.
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How is wanting town to be suspicious of you a town tell? The best advice I've ever been given about being town is to get out of the way of the scumhunt. He can't even manage to do that.
Apparently everyone thinks I'm bad regardless of what I do but I'm putting my case out there. As I said, I don't really give a shit if you agree with me or not because I think he's scum.
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On January 08 2013 12:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yamato I think you misunderstand. I'm not wanting town to be suspicious of me. It just happened and I'm rolling with it, but I'm not going to dwell on people thinking I'm scum. People being suspect of me is just a bi-product of my shenanigans.
What useful purpose do you think your shenanigans honestly serve?
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On January 08 2013 12:27 MrZentor wrote:
IDK, too many scummy people.
On second thought, let's wait a few days before killing the wrong person.
Way to be useless.
"Oh let's lynch someone."
"No wait they're all scummy."
Do you intend on doing anything today?
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On January 08 2013 12:36 Hapahauli wrote:@ YamatoBack to my post over here: I'm curious. In all of the games you've played as town, when have you used ANY of these tells to actually find and lynch mafia?
Apparently I can't read people so it doesn't make any difference. All of the times I have lynched mafia people said I was sheeping so whatever.
I'm leaving. This was a waste. I'm arguing against the scum and his biggest supporter.
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On January 08 2013 12:43 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:38 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 12:36 Hapahauli wrote:@ YamatoBack to my post over here: I'm curious. In all of the games you've played as town, when have you used ANY of these tells to actually find and lynch mafia? Apparently I can't read people so it doesn't make any difference. All of the times I have lynched mafia people said I was sheeping so whatever. I'm leaving. This was a waste. I'm arguing against the scum and his biggest supporter. Stop being a whiny little bitch and get back in here. "I'm done talking to you because my feelings are hurt that I'm attacking your case" is pathetic. And is lynchable. And kid, you better listen to what the fuck I have to say, because I know a hell of a lot more about scum-hunting than you do.
Well why don't you sit back and critique my cases some more, then? It's so productive for me to go after my scum read and then have you come in here and shit all over it.
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On January 08 2013 12:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah probably. I'm generally an asshole when I play this game.
Aaaaaanyway, fact is that I need Yamato to talk to me about his read. I start attacking his logic... and then he quits instead of backing himself up? That's unacceptable and doesn't play towards town goals at all.
What is there for me to say? I think it makes him scum and you don't and you're of the opinion that you know better than me so I can't do anything to change your mind.
End of story.
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In actuality I do have to go to work so this is my last post for today.
To everyone not named Hapa:
Read the interaction between CC and I. Does he look townie or scummy there to you?
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GUYS
Hey guys.
I have a secret.
The secret is
Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls.
Wait there's more!
If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN.
I know my plan.
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