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On February 05 2013 00:08 Aperture Science wrote:
Just a quick question, weren't we going to kill Crossfire today before attack phase by us forking a bolt or something? What happened to that
We still are, that never changed.
In fact we might do it now, or in a few moments.
Anyways Appy, I'm kind of annoyed by this so I'll just forget about it, and kill you, Prome agrees, lots of people agree.
No stress, no pain
/G
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On February 05 2013 01:29 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:08 Aperture Science wrote:
Just a quick question, weren't we going to kill Crossfire today before attack phase by us forking a bolt or something? What happened to that We still are, that never changed. In fact we might do it now, or in a few moments. Anyways Appy, I'm kind of annoyed by this so I'll just forget about it, and kill you, Prome agrees, lots of people agree. No stress, no pain /G
This game is really weird. Aperture seemingly has no interest in conversing with town about his targets, nor telling us that it's a bad idea to attack him. Don't really get it from any perspective.
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I don't want to spend the whole day figuring out which "2nd guy" I'll use this on, knowing Xfire won't die until I do
So I'll do it on Aperture
##Tap: Mountain x3
##Cast: Keldon Marauders, deal (KM) damage to Crossfire
##Cast: Reckless Abandon on Keldon Marauders, deal (RA) damage to Aperture, deal (KM) damage to Aperture
Come on Appy, kill Xfire
/G
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On February 05 2013 01:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:14 Nova_Terra wrote:On February 04 2013 23:53 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Possibilities of terrible terrible damage:
Clockwork: minimum of 12.
Poster: 11
Rock: 7
Stutters: 3
Nova: 4?
Suck: 0
AS: 0
Total: 37. This is enough to kill AS and Suck assuming there is no life-gaining and Xfire doesn't fuck us over. Assuming SnB is a douche and uses his enchantress thingy to block, there is a total of 35 damage dealt. This is still enough to kill both.
General mtg advice:
@Stutters: by playing Gaea's Anthem and a bear now, you not only get +1 damage this turn, but +2 next turn. This game has probably ended by then. Also, you have no land at all in your hand?
@Rock: you can attack anybody you like with your Phyrexian thingy, so attack us: we won't block it. Then ninja in your giant beasty to do 5 damage to the target you actually want to kill.
@Nova: your creature pumping thing is an instant and can be cast in the attack phase. Phrase it conditionally to pump 2 creatures that are attacking and are not blocked. How do i do that? I'm still magic newbie. can you give me an example? Lets say I attack Suck with 4 zombies. You can then do the following (in the attack phase): ##tap lands
##cast Blades of Veling Vel after blockers are declared, but before damage goes on the stack (time 3 in OP). Target: 2 unblocked zombie tokens.
Of course, if there are no unblocked zombies, you might have to do something different, but for now that looks unlikely. You also don't have to target my zombies, but can target any other unblocked creature if you disagree with who my zombies attack.
Makes sense, thanks
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I can understand not trying to defend himself anymore since it is pretty much consensus that he's dying. Don't quite get his lack of pressuring any reads however. If he is going to flip town he should probably pursue his reads up to the flip. The silence makes me a bit more confident in him being scum but also worried he's going to have something game changing.
Rock do you honestly think I'm anywhere close to as scummy as Nova? What changed in the past 24 hours that made your list go from Nova, AS, me to AS, Nova=me?
CH I'm assuming you are the next town to go due to your board. Does my 3kp difference over two turns affect our killing potential over the next two days? Right now I don't see how it does and being able to be lethal myself forces either the scum to kill me or town has a free lynch when our kp starts to stagger.
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so DFTP, I'm your top scumread?
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On February 05 2013 01:27 RockHydra wrote:
It's interesting how in clockwork-town suddenly everybody is on board with attacking Suck.
There might be interest in killing aperture, but I'm not sure about your other target.
/zebezt
You don't have to be. We are almost certainly rampaging all over his face with zombies. I think he is more likely scum than Nova, who would be my 3rd potential scummer.
If people don't want to kill Suck and other people don't want to kill Nova, then we can have everybody do damage to Aperture and the rest is a free choice. Yes, this might bring people within mafia beast range without killing them. As long as that isn't us, we are okay with that 
This forces people to make a hard choice rather than just sheeping what town leaders tell them to do makes and might be a more informative use of KP (at least it forces people to say WHY they are attacking than just being "Gonzaw told me to"), although it gives us 1 less flip.
How about this:
Poster does 5 damage to Aperture, 1 to Xfire and attacks whoever he wants with Ball Lightning
Clock does 5 damage to Aperture, attacks whoever he wants with the other 3 zombies
Rock does 5 damage to Aperture (ninja), attacks whoever he wants with the other ninja
Nova does 2 damage to Aperture and 2 damage to some other player who is being attacked by creatures
Stutters does 3 damage to a target of his choice
Suck does 0 damage (presumably, although he has that combo thing where he drops down enchants and doesn't draw cards in order to deal damage). Attacks someone with his 0/2 beastie as per his own policy suggestion.
Aperture does 4 damage to Xfire and dies
Xfire dies a horrible death, hopefully dealing no damage.
/Acro
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You are Prome's
I just don't want to deal with you anymore. You could be scum you could be not, in different ways.
It does make sense that everybody else has a "townie" thing to them, that makes you scum by process of elimination, and a LOT of stuff in your play makes it likely.
Then again you are not playing "like scum" in certain manners (being this passive for instance), which make me doubt this.
You don't defend yourself against my case so I can figure out exactly what made you act like you did if you were town, and you are not helping in any other way so my read on you basically can't improve.
You are not helping me improve my read on you, well then I'm not helping you live...
Anyways when I come home I'll reread some other players to see who else we can attack this cycle. Apparently many settled on Nova, which is interesting.
/G
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EBWOP:
*so I can't figure out exactly what made you...
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On February 05 2013 01:58 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
You are Prome's
I just don't want to deal with you anymore. You could be scum you could be not, in different ways.
It does make sense that everybody else has a "townie" thing to them, that makes you scum by process of elimination, and a LOT of stuff in your play makes it likely.
Then again you are not playing "like scum" in certain manners (being this passive for instance), which make me doubt this.
You don't defend yourself against my case so I can figure out exactly what made you act like you did if you were town, and you are not helping in any other way so my read on you basically can't improve.
You are not helping me improve my read on you, well then I'm not helping you live...
Anyways when I come home I'll reread some other players to see who else we can attack this cycle. Apparently many settled on Nova, which is interesting.
/G
Do you realize how long Rock's filter is? I can't whip up an analysis overnight (though I did start to try).
But even though I've only gone through 1/4 of it, I can already tell that he is town for sure. He's the guy who really pushed the clockwork case among other things, and 99% of what he posts is townie (-1s and -2s). GreY agrees now.
Anyways, Xfire is dead. Ding, dong!
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By the way, if you've read or played with me in any previous games, you'd know that I don't have a meta. I have never played the same in two games and I'm proud of that (usually)
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I never mentioned meta, I haven't even read those games you linked to me yet lol
/G
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On February 05 2013 01:52 Stutters695 wrote:
I can understand not trying to defend himself anymore since it is pretty much consensus that he's dying. Don't quite get his lack of pressuring any reads however. If he is going to flip town he should probably pursue his reads up to the flip. The silence makes me a bit more confident in him being scum but also worried he's going to have something game changing.
Rock do you honestly think I'm anywhere close to as scummy as Nova? What changed in the past 24 hours that made your list go from Nova, AS, me to AS, Nova=me?
CH I'm assuming you are the next town to go due to your board. Does my 3kp difference over two turns affect our killing potential over the next two days? Right now I don't see how it does and being able to be lethal myself forces either the scum to kill me or town has a free lynch when our kp starts to stagger.
Honestly, I think the game ends tomorrow (if it doesn't today). T5, if it happens at all (and we fucked up bigtime if it does), will have 2 townies and 1 scum alive. Mafia creature will be 16/16, so forget about a T6 happening. That means you come out 1 damage ahead if we include T5, if you go the Gaea's Anthem path.
Moreover, Infect doesn't play nicely with other forms of damage (you need to do the 10 poison counters all by yourself, whereas everybody can chip in on bringing life total down). You're only lethal on your own if you can guarantee 10 damage regardless of blockers (trample obviously helps). However, 6 regular damage is almost certainly going to be more help than anything < 10 poison counters (even 9).
/Acro
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On February 05 2013 02:22 Aperture Science wrote:
By the way, if you've read or played with me in any previous games, you'd know that I don't have a meta. I have never played the same in two games and I'm proud of that (usually)
Why are you trying to be Drazerk? 
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Breaking News:
Aperture is more likely to flip town than scum imo.
"Oh no!" you might cry in despair. "But he's playing so bad"
To which I reply "bad =/= scum."
Yes, my brethen, it is true. If he is town, he's played bad as fuck. Like, really bad. Abysmal. Doesn't matter though.
Just think about the situation: You're scum with Cross. Who just outed himself as scum. Who is going to die easily tonight.
"town" has plenty KP left over to kill you, and then some. YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED SCUM ALL GAME. You are aware you played like shit. Nobody wants you alive.
Why do you still bother bussing Cross?
Why would you take damage in the face, just to redirect it to Cross? Your buddy? that means you both die tonight.
After all, everybody is just saying "yeah let's flip aperture" and gonzo goes all "I WANT FLIPS! I DEMAND DEAD BODIES FOR MY GOD ODIN!" all the time.
Would you, as scum, still keep doing damage, taking damage, like it's no big deal?
Maybe. It's not impossible. I'm not saying aperture is confirmed town or anything.
HOWEVER, the far more likely, and simple, solution is this:
Aperture is town.
He knows he's going to die today.
Since he's town, he helps flipping Cross, so that town has more KP in total. Excess KP that town can deal to somebody after his body is already cold.
I anticipate WIFOM arguments to come to counter this.
I anticipate all those arguments to be horseshit.
~dandel
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On February 05 2013 02:37 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Breaking News:
Aperture is more likely to flip town than scum imo.
"Oh no!" you might cry in despair. "But he's playing so bad"
To which I reply "bad =/= scum."
Yes, my brethen, it is true. If he is town, he's played bad as fuck. Like, really bad. Abysmal. Doesn't matter though.
Just think about the situation: You're scum with Cross. Who just outed himself as scum. Who is going to die easily tonight.
"town" has plenty KP left over to kill you, and then some. YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED SCUM ALL GAME. You are aware you played like shit. Nobody wants you alive.
Why do you still bother bussing Cross?
Why would you take damage in the face, just to redirect it to Cross? Your buddy? that means you both die tonight.
After all, everybody is just saying "yeah let's flip aperture" and gonzo goes all "I WANT FLIPS! I DEMAND DEAD BODIES FOR MY GOD ODIN!" all the time.
Would you, as scum, still keep doing damage, taking damage, like it's no big deal?
Maybe. It's not impossible. I'm not saying aperture is confirmed town or anything.
HOWEVER, the far more likely, and simple, solution is this:
Aperture is town.
He knows he's going to die today.
Since he's town, he helps flipping Cross, so that town has more KP in total. Excess KP that town can deal to somebody after his body is already cold.
I anticipate WIFOM arguments to come to counter this.
I anticipate all those arguments to be horseshit.
~dandel
if he didn't bus crossfire, then people like you wouldn't post things like this
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Also, this means we kill Suck today instead.
He's more likely to be scum. So we just go kill him.
Easy.
~dandel
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On February 05 2013 02:39 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 02:37 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Breaking News:
Aperture is more likely to flip town than scum imo.
"Oh no!" you might cry in despair. "But he's playing so bad"
To which I reply "bad =/= scum."
Yes, my brethen, it is true. If he is town, he's played bad as fuck. Like, really bad. Abysmal. Doesn't matter though.
Just think about the situation: You're scum with Cross. Who just outed himself as scum. Who is going to die easily tonight.
"town" has plenty KP left over to kill you, and then some. YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED SCUM ALL GAME. You are aware you played like shit. Nobody wants you alive.
Why do you still bother bussing Cross?
Why would you take damage in the face, just to redirect it to Cross? Your buddy? that means you both die tonight.
After all, everybody is just saying "yeah let's flip aperture" and gonzo goes all "I WANT FLIPS! I DEMAND DEAD BODIES FOR MY GOD ODIN!" all the time.
Would you, as scum, still keep doing damage, taking damage, like it's no big deal?
Maybe. It's not impossible. I'm not saying aperture is confirmed town or anything.
HOWEVER, the far more likely, and simple, solution is this:
Aperture is town.
He knows he's going to die today.
Since he's town, he helps flipping Cross, so that town has more KP in total. Excess KP that town can deal to somebody after his body is already cold.
I anticipate WIFOM arguments to come to counter this.
I anticipate all those arguments to be horseshit.
~dandel if he didn't bus crossfire, then people like you wouldn't post things like this
Except, he didn't have to do damage. The gonzo said "I have an instant which can do damage to Xfire". iGrok's response was "I drew fork. I can copy that instant". He DIDN'T have to say that. He had NO reason to claim he has fork in his hand.
Would he deliberately out that he can help killing off his scumbuddy and make it easier to kill himself? I don't think so. Dandel has a point and you're just sore that your evil scumplan of killing off a townie is now failing.
/Acro
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