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Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 19:14 GMT
#1970
On February 06 2013 04:13 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Sheez marv, are you going through your period again? Calm down.

Yes.

Which is why Rock keeps confusing him for a girl.

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 20:22 GMT
#1975
First off: Marv dies today. However, if he inadvertently flips green (and that chance exists despite my conviction that he needs to die) I do not want to be caught with my pants down. Which means we need to expect the unexpected.

ALL OF THE BELOW IS ONLY RELEVANT IF WE ARE HUMONGOUSLY WRONG ON MARV. IF MARV IS SCUM WE WILL ALL HAVE A LAUGH AT ACRO'S PARANOIA TOMORROW.

Rock's reaction to the plan:
On February 06 2013 00:06 RockHydra wrote:
I have no idea why we should let people attack us. Just because you are too lazy to read our filter? That would put us super in scumbeast reach if I'm not mistaken. What is your plan there?
We should just attack the scummy people: suck/nova

/zebezt

This reaction smells of scum, because he clearly isn't interested in the plan: his problem with the plan is that he dies. He doesn't CARE about our town reads, or verifying them. He cares about surviving (ergo: not taking damage). He is also FAR too focused on surviving past today, which gives me the feeling he expects Suck to flip green.

Rock moaning about the mafia creature is irrelevant: he is not important and currently not even looking green. Would any medic bother protecting him? No. While I hate scum for it, if I am a VT I generally prefer to die. Knowing it means that shot didn't blast a blue. Now this game doesn't have blues. But it does have more valuable townies than Rock (those in the Happy Town village). Rock should be happy to soak up a NK as town. However, as scum he would definitely use that as an argument why he doesn't want to be low.

Now I thought maybe Rock just didn't get it. So I wanted Nova's reaction:
On February 06 2013 04:58 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 03:26 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Nova, you are okay with the part where you take 5 damage in the plan?

taking 5 damage is fine, whatever
as long as rockhydra dies when i do thats cool with me

This is what I expect from a townie. He realizes his life is worth spending as long as scum is guaranteed to die as well.

I therefore want to amend the plan for tomorrow. It looks like we won't have enough damage tomorrow to kill Nova, Rock and AS. In fact, we might only have enough damage to kill only one of them. Rock has big blockers and they need to be dealt with. I thus suggest the following amendment: Rock, we are using the damage on you as a voluntary DT check. If you block, you claim scum. If you don't block, you are not claiming town, but are refraining from openly claiming scum.

If you claim scum by blocking, it means we don't have to bother about your "scumspect" (Nova), or the offchance that AS is scum. We can thus focus all damage on you tomorrow, which guarantees your death. If you are a townie, you won't block 6 damage. Yes, you might die to the mafia beast and you will almost certainly die tomorrow, but Nova (and probably AS) will die tomorrow as well. So, if you're town and believe Nova might be scum: do not claim scum by blocking.

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 20:54 GMT
#1986
Oh, look. I was wrong on D1.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 20:57 GMT
#1987
Regarding the mafia beast: if you think Nova is scum and you die, Nova's creature can't be a 5/5. Therefore, Nova is weakening himself by having his mafia beast killing you. If AS is scum, he would probably want to kill you, but if you BLOCK, we WON'T KILL AS ANYWAY.

So who is this magical scum who benefits from killing you?

Once again, if you block, you die alone next turn. You do not drag Nova with you to your grave.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 21:16 GMT
#1992
Poster, am I being paranoid? What is your take on Rock's response?
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 21:20 GMT
#1993
Also greymist/igrok, you're actually here: what do you think of Rock?
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 21:38 GMT
#1999
On February 06 2013 06:22 Aperture Science wrote:
I'm not actually here, just goofing off at work.

Basically, I got like 1/3 through rock's filter and felt enough towniness to convince GreY.

Can you convince me? I will look through his filter, but there's a couple of other things (in addition to this) that were throwing up red flags and why I had him as a null read: their beginning felt townie, but H1 went lurky and Zebezt throws off mixed signals. H1 going lurky is not unexpected, although he is MORE lurky as scum than as town. I don't know Zebezt at all.

What do you make of his fear of the mafia beast?

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 21:39 GMT
#2000
On February 06 2013 06:34 Nova_Terra wrote:
Im kinda thinking that theres nothing worth copying

You know that there'll be a 5/5 reanimating ninja on the field, right?
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 21:49 GMT
#2007
On February 06 2013 06:43 Nova_Terra wrote:
Okay, next turn is that? Cause i might not be able to copy it if its played next turn (upkeep step)
5/5 sounds good tho
I could also champion my crypto next turn for a 7/7, but summoning sickness and all...

It will be dropped by Rock during the attack phase of this turn.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:04 GMT
#2016
On February 06 2013 07:01 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Although I agree with that, kill everybody, fuck everything. Either we win or hilariously lose, but meh either way

/G

Didn't you read the scumhunting by mutual annihilation? It's why I haven't really bothered to figure Rock out too much and just want him dead if Marv flips town.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:13 GMT
#2022
On February 06 2013 07:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
*when

While you have calmed down today and seem resigned to your fate, you haven't done anything today to make me think you're town after playing like you have a mafia agenda all game (deliberately phrased carefully so as not to anger the rageMarv).

You say it's because you were trolling and not trying, but that doesn't explain your hilariously bad case on Nova.

It doesn't explain your refusal to give town credit to AS for accelerating Xfire's death when there was no reason to do it as scum.

It doesn't explain why SnB is playing like his lurky scumself and not his insightful townself.

Saying SnB is afk, when he is playing the game enough to drop by and play his enchantments, is not a valid reason. SnB dropped in once a day in SSM too (and flipped scum at the end of it). Saying you don't care about the game doesn't excuse you pushing targets for obviously bad reasons.

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:19 GMT
#2024
I'm just waiting for Xfire's ninjacast that kills us all.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:24 GMT
#2026
Forest -> Fastbond -> Island -> Ancestral Recall -> Swamp -> Dark Ritual -> Crucible of Worlds -> Wooded Foothills /sac for mountain -> Tap 2 badlands -> Zuran Orb -> gain infinite life and mana -> fireball for infinity on everybody else.
FUUUUUUUU

Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:26 GMT
#2029
Wait. Not quite sure why we need the wooded foothills to get the mountain. Ignore that part
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:34 GMT
#2034
On February 06 2013 07:26 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well...we do have the KP to kill Aperture AND someone else today. If we don't kill Aperture, we can only kill 1 guy today.

Clock, what do you say we kill Aperture and Nova/Rock today? If the game doesn't end you can kill Suck tomorrow with all your super zombies and I won't oppose it (and neither will Prome)

We do have the KP to kill Aperture+someone else, but not the KP to kill a non-Aperture+another non-Aperture
You say he's town, well I say he could be or could not, just kill him (like I said like all game long).
If you think Suck is the sole scum, do you think he can somehow survive tomorrow?

/G

Tomorrow it looks like SnB's deck is actually going to be strong, as opposed to today. He said it has lots of life gain. He now draws 2 cards per enchant:

Cast Words of Power, draw 2 cards.
Cast random, cheap, enchantment, draw 1 card and do 2 damage (or 4 damage to someone).

This is limited by his mana, of which he has 8. If he has a land (highly likely) that is 9 tomorrow. If he has wild growths or utopia sprawl in his hand, that means he can cast enchantments for free. From that he can keep fueling his engine or do 4 damage per enchant.

That deck is now officially scary and will kill people before tomorrow's attack phase. Lets kill Suck today: probability of Suck going off tomorrow? Very high. Probabiltiy of AS going off? Probably still low (and making him use forks probably makes the combo weaker).
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:34 GMT
#2035
On February 06 2013 07:28 RockHydra wrote:
If you plan to kill suck, better do it today, they (almost said she) are about to take off. AS can wait if you ask me.

/zebezt

now im rly off

This is shorter than what I said, but essentiall the same thing.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:36 GMT
#2038
On February 06 2013 07:35 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
the problem is, i'm town :o

Nobody believes you.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:39 GMT
#2041
On February 06 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
do you think if i were scum i could win tomorrow if you leave me alive? hmm?

I know that the combo you have layed out can do upwards of 20 damage and you claimed to have life gain as well. So maybe you can't outright win tomorrow, but you can probably make yourself unkillable. Either by damaging all the creatures, or by killing the player off (as well as life gain).

I am not gambling on you being town after how you've played. You have played like scum, now die like one.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:52 GMT
#2044
Why do you want to live all of a sudden?
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 22:56 GMT
#2046
Guys, guys.

We kill Suck.

Their defense is either "I don't suck this bad as town" or "I suck this bad as either alignment". That's it.
Just some appeals to emotion. No content.
Stay strong.
Don't believe their lies.

~dandel
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