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On December 20 2012 02:12 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:49 Morbidius wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo
Will post more on it later, am a bit busy at the moment but i promise to post more reasoning. Even so this is day 1 where scum reads are at their weakest. nice. This is the "I know this guy is not scum, but I'll post some bullshit later...however, since I know I'm wrong I'm going to mention the fact that on day 1 reads are weak, so I don't get raped by town later." ##unvote Toadesstern
##vote Morbidius
@Wherebugsgo: how strongly do you feel about Morbidius, I know you've moved on since you wrote this but I need to understand what your line of thought is when you voted this.
I actually highly disagree with any scum read on Morbidius, reading over his posts he seems way too genuine to be scum. Granted, he hasn't posted very much but he looks like a townie to me. I understand your premise for this vote, but I disagree with your conclusion.
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On December 20 2012 05:51 sciberbia wrote:I'm suspicious of Mr. WigglesIn particular, this post strikes me as suspicious: + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Eywa, I like you style, screw the haters. One question though: You make this post: Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 23:51 Eywa- wrote:
I would like to examine the current situation and weigh in on mathematics. Generally speaking, there is a 75% or higher chance that if we kill someone on the first day that we will end up in a worse predicament than we currently are. I understand that our streets have been taken over by scum at night, but fear is not a reason to lose all our civil rights and obligations. As a productive member of society and an established citizen of this town, I plead that we take it easy today and allow our local police force to run their investigations before we strike. Saying that you'd like us to consider going for a no-lynch on Day 1 and just waiting for Day 2, so that we can possibly get a check in, or at the very least have something to talk about. Later, you come in with your analysis of Palmar, which is cool that you made it, but after re-reading, one thing that stuck out to me was that a majority of the posts and behaviour of Palmar that you draw on comes from before you made your no-lynch post. In-between your no-lynch post and your analysis, you were called out by a couple players for not commenting on the game (which I disagree with, but whatever). So, the analysis came after that. So, my question to you, is when did you become suspicious of Palmar? The timing of the post combined with the posts you draw from don't really fit when put into the context of your no-lynch post. You ask to no-lynch, then later you make a post saying Palmar is scum, which is fine, because you can change your mind, but your analysis is all based on stuff Palmar did before your no-lynch post, so if you found it to be so scummy, why didn't it strike you before? So, to me, it looks like you made your no-lynch post, got shut down, then went back and looked for someone to make a case on. What gives? Keep in mind that this was his first post in over 12 hours. I would expect a townie to have read the thread, made some reads, and then make a post about who he thought was scummy and why we should consider lynching them. On the contrary, his entire post is about one puzzling aspect of Eywa's play, and he doesn't show any interest at all in lynching Eywa. It just seems like such a relatively unimportant thing to make a post about when Wiggles hasn't even shared scumreads yet. It gives me the feeling that he just arbitrarily picked something to make a post about. Now, he is in the thread bantering with iamperfection and Vivax, but not pushing any reads. @Mr. WigglesYou've been talking about Eywa but you don't think he's scum. I want to know who you do think is scum and why.
I love this post. I'm a big fan of this sciberbia guy. I agree on Mr. Wiggles.
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On December 20 2012 05:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:12 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 20 2012 01:49 Morbidius wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo
Will post more on it later, am a bit busy at the moment but i promise to post more reasoning. Even so this is day 1 where scum reads are at their weakest. nice. This is the "I know this guy is not scum, but I'll post some bullshit later...however, since I know I'm wrong I'm going to mention the fact that on day 1 reads are weak, so I don't get raped by town later." ##unvote Toadesstern
##vote Morbidius @Wherebugsgo: how strongly do you feel about Morbidius, I know you've moved on since you wrote this but I need to understand what your line of thought is when you voted this. I actually highly disagree with any scum read on Morbidius, reading over his posts he seems way too genuine to be scum. Granted, he hasn't posted very much but he looks like a townie to me. I understand your premise for this vote, but I disagree with your conclusion.
pretty strong, I'm willing to call him scum with zelblade.
Little bit stronger on zelblade given that I have actually played with him before.
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And Wiggles also actually. Although I have something in my notes that is not making sense so I'm going to reread.
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On December 20 2012 05:08 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 05:07 Vivax wrote:
Watch out, Yamato. If you post too much Santa won't visit you. Third time I've been attacked for this post count restriction I made before the game started. Are you guys fucking stupid or something? I don't see the point in mentioning it.
You should expect it. Most of us are town and your idiotic restriction favors the mafia. It's annoying. If you really want to spam less, just spam less. There is no need to announce something silly like that.
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On December 20 2012 06:02 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 05:59 Palmar wrote:On December 20 2012 02:12 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 20 2012 01:49 Morbidius wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo
Will post more on it later, am a bit busy at the moment but i promise to post more reasoning. Even so this is day 1 where scum reads are at their weakest. nice. This is the "I know this guy is not scum, but I'll post some bullshit later...however, since I know I'm wrong I'm going to mention the fact that on day 1 reads are weak, so I don't get raped by town later." ##unvote Toadesstern
##vote Morbidius @Wherebugsgo: how strongly do you feel about Morbidius, I know you've moved on since you wrote this but I need to understand what your line of thought is when you voted this. I actually highly disagree with any scum read on Morbidius, reading over his posts he seems way too genuine to be scum. Granted, he hasn't posted very much but he looks like a townie to me. I understand your premise for this vote, but I disagree with your conclusion. pretty strong, I'm willing to call him scum with zelblade. Little bit stronger on zelblade given that I have actually played with him before.
I haven't read your case on Zelblade. I want to take the Morbidius thing slightly further to help establish a read on your motivations, I'll explain my arguments for a town read on Morb:
First of all, this post I noticed:
On December 19 2012 14:52 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 13:57 Stutters695 wrote:On December 19 2012 13:29 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote:On December 19 2012 11:10 Toadesstern wrote:
sup guys
I won't believe any claim Vivax does in the future if he happens to claim something at some point and I'd say we stick with it that way. Yeah millers should claim but claiming VT (read: as in the ROLE, not the alignment) is retarded. Looks awfully set-up. Not alignment indicating at all because he's either a mafia or a townie trying to achieve something like doding or catching a bullet through confusion.
Just saying, see you tomorrow. I'd need to go through his previous games to see how I'd feel if he claimed but I'll deal with that if he claims in the future. Not sure how I feel about writing something like that off this early. @vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that? @Mr Wiggles why the vote on wbg in the first few hours before we even know if he's seen the thread? Is there some joke or strategy related to wbg I don't know about? Palmar if you've read the thread you'd see that millers are self-aware. What's the confusion about? ##unvote
##vote stuttersYou're questions to vivax and palmat have already been asked. You're question to wiggles has come way after and its obvious it was a random vote (I'm not sure whether wiggles mentioned it in pregame). You sir are trying to look like you are contributing withiut actually doing so Right, because in three posts you can tell exactly how much I'm contributing? No one has asked Vivax why he posted it directly. The only thing even really related to it is a comment about a Kenpachi trap(whatever that is) and your vote and him responding with "maybe later." I can assume why he did that, but I want to hear what he says. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. The other two are my fault, posting from a phone is a bitch, much harder to double check when I post. Let's talk about someone who hasn't been contributing through their posts though. Morbidius: If you think Yamato scumslipped, why haven't you said anything about it since calling it a scumslip? That's a pretty major accusation to throw out considering he's still the only miller. What changed, why aren't you pushing that at all? Was just trying to get a reaction from him and maybe get some discussion going. I don't think that was a scumslip nor do i have a case against him.
The point here is the wording seems strange if he's scum. He simply points out that he doesn't have a case and moves on. His explanation to his actions is solid, and while both factions are capable of this play, I don't think scum would be this relaxed about it.
On December 20 2012 01:49 Morbidius wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo
Will post more on it later, am a bit busy at the moment but i promise to post more reasoning. Even so this is day 1 where scum reads are at their weakest.
I may be reading too much into this but despite the second statement the use of the phrase "I promise to post more reasoning" seems to indicate that he's very much aware of how scummy what he's doing is. He clearly wanted the thread to know his read there, but if he's mafia, why put his neck out there like that?
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plenty of scum say that. How else do bad scum talk?!
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To summarize this is where I'm currently at:
Probably Town:
yamato
sciberbia
Leaning Town
Eywa
Morbidius
Null
Bugs
Toadestern
Not read yet:
Zelblade
Vivax
Stutters
iamperfection
Leaning Scum
Debears
Wiggles
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On December 20 2012 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:41 Vivax wrote:On December 20 2012 04:22 Stutters695 wrote:
So because I asked a question after you went to bed and didn't rehash it throughout the night until I got an answer I'm a dummy. If I post about you all night I'll be accused of posting fluff again and thus you'll think I'm scum. I hadn't forgotten about you, this is the first post I've gotten time to do since I just got off work. It seems to me like you want me to be scum more than you're trying to find scum. Is this your defence?You post WIFOM to justify yourself for not posting? It's not about you not posting ABOUT me, it's about you not responding to the points you're accused of: Namely ignoring debears questions directed at me (or not reading the thread), and quickly changing focus to Morbidius when pressured. I said I missed his questions to you; I can't do shit about that now. Judge me on that ask you like. Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about posting frequency being related to you not being online. I said that you're holding me to a standard that means I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. I explained why I "ignored" you because you said you were going to bed, thus there was zero point in repeatedly posting about it instead of moving on until you actually had time to respond.
I think it's weird that you don't want to post about people when they aren't in the thread, this isn't a chatroom, so I'll treat this as a bad excuse, so much for your judge me as you like.
What is your opinion on Morbidius now? Doesn't look like you bother to scumhunt as much as you bother defending yourself.
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On December 20 2012 06:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 05:08 yamato77 wrote:On December 20 2012 05:07 Vivax wrote:
Watch out, Yamato. If you post too much Santa won't visit you. Third time I've been attacked for this post count restriction I made before the game started. Are you guys fucking stupid or something? I don't see the point in mentioning it. You should expect it. Most of us are town and your idiotic restriction favors the mafia. It's annoying. If you really want to spam less, just spam less. There is no need to announce something silly like that.
The point I'm making is, why wait until te game has started instead of saying this before the game? It is pointless to mention at this point.
Also I've realized ten is way too low so I'll double it.
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so since we agree on wiggles, why don't we just kill him then?
I'll wait till you read zelblade at least. I can see your reasoning but obviously we disagree in conclusions.
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On December 20 2012 06:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
plenty of scum say that. How else do bad scum talk?!
Are you talking about the promise thing? I'd have expected scum to try to make an excuse for not posting more, if they mentioned it at all. "I'll post more later don't have time now" or something in lieu of that.
But you and I both know there's something that still needs answering. Let's wait and see.
Meanwhile, I'm going to look at Zelblade and what you have there.
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On December 20 2012 06:18 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:03 Palmar wrote:On December 20 2012 05:08 yamato77 wrote:On December 20 2012 05:07 Vivax wrote:
Watch out, Yamato. If you post too much Santa won't visit you. Third time I've been attacked for this post count restriction I made before the game started. Are you guys fucking stupid or something? I don't see the point in mentioning it. You should expect it. Most of us are town and your idiotic restriction favors the mafia. It's annoying. If you really want to spam less, just spam less. There is no need to announce something silly like that. The point I'm making is, why wait until te game has started instead of saying this before the game? It is pointless to mention at this point. Also I've realized ten is way too low so I'll double it.
Still dumb. Just post whenever you have something to say. If you think you spam, just focus on putting many thoughts into one post.
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On December 20 2012 06:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
so since we agree on wiggles, why don't we just kill him then?
I'll wait till you read zelblade at least. I can see your reasoning but obviously we disagree in conclusions.
I'm gonna re-read wiggles, but honestly I might be down for doing just that.
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I actually kinda agree on Zelblade too. His points against Eywa seem to be overanalyzing what basically was some random dude trolling, getting suspicious because of roleplay is just derp.
The no-lynch point is just as bad, he's wasting time reading someone who was at the time trolling. Not to mention at the time Eywa was under a bit of heat, so it's an easy target to jump on.
I haven't read stutters so I cannot conclude anything from Zelblade's accusation against him, but Zelblade is now in the "leaning scum" category for me.
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On December 20 2012 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:41 Vivax wrote:On December 20 2012 04:22 Stutters695 wrote:
So because I asked a question after you went to bed and didn't rehash it throughout the night until I got an answer I'm a dummy. If I post about you all night I'll be accused of posting fluff again and thus you'll think I'm scum. I hadn't forgotten about you, this is the first post I've gotten time to do since I just got off work. It seems to me like you want me to be scum more than you're trying to find scum. Is this your defence?You post WIFOM to justify yourself for not posting? It's not about you not posting ABOUT me, it's about you not responding to the points you're accused of: Namely ignoring debears questions directed at me (or not reading the thread), and quickly changing focus to Morbidius when pressured. I said I missed his questions to you; I can't do shit about that now. Judge me on that ask you like. Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about posting frequency being related to you not being online. I said that you're holding me to a standard that means I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. I explained why I "ignored" you because you said you were going to bed, thus there was zero point in repeatedly posting about it instead of moving on until you actually had time to respond.
On December 19 2012 13:57 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 13:29 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote:On December 19 2012 11:10 Toadesstern wrote:
sup guys
I won't believe any claim Vivax does in the future if he happens to claim something at some point and I'd say we stick with it that way. Yeah millers should claim but claiming VT (read: as in the ROLE, not the alignment) is retarded. Looks awfully set-up. Not alignment indicating at all because he's either a mafia or a townie trying to achieve something like doding or catching a bullet through confusion.
Just saying, see you tomorrow. I'd need to go through his previous games to see how I'd feel if he claimed but I'll deal with that if he claims in the future. Not sure how I feel about writing something like that off this early. @vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that? @Mr Wiggles why the vote on wbg in the first few hours before we even know if he's seen the thread? Is there some joke or strategy related to wbg I don't know about? Palmar if you've read the thread you'd see that millers are self-aware. What's the confusion about? ##unvote
##vote stuttersYou're questions to vivax and palmat have already been asked. You're question to wiggles has come way after and its obvious it was a random vote (I'm not sure whether wiggles mentioned it in pregame). You sir are trying to look like you are contributing withiut actually doing so Right, because in three posts you can tell exactly how much I'm contributing? No one has asked Vivax why he posted it directly. The only thing even really related to it is a comment about a Kenpachi trap(whatever that is) and your vote and him responding with "maybe later." I can assume why he did that, but I want to hear what he says. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. The other two are my fault, posting from a phone is a bitch, much harder to double check when I post. Let's talk about someone who hasn't been contributing through their posts though. Morbidius: If you think Yamato scumslipped, why haven't you said anything about it since calling it a scumslip? That's a pretty major accusation to throw out considering he's still the only miller. What changed, why aren't you pushing that at all?
Draw your own conclusions from these two posts.
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I read his entire filter. The one problem I have is that he hasn't yet really tried to get anything done. I'd just leave him in the null category for now.
I'm honestly down for making this a Wiggles lynch, or possibly a Zelblade one. But lynching Wiggles on day 1 is generally good play anyway.
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Palmar
Please submit a formal request for lynching me so I can slap some sense into you.
Yours truly,
Debears
@scribs
The trap was seeing if toad (and i believe palmar and someone else) would keep pursuing his case on the kenpachi rule. You pointed it out about what really went down in Mario
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On December 20 2012 01:16 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:08 debears wrote:On December 20 2012 01:00 iamperfection wrote:On December 20 2012 00:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Toad's dumbness strikes again!
What a bullshit reason to vote someone. does it make him scum. For someone screaming bullshit you seem to have been full of it yourself going through your filter. i have no idea what to think of you. Iamp I find it odd that toad tried to misrepresent what I said in terms of mario mini and the kenpachi rule. Its obvious he assumed that I once did it, yet he never even checked the game that I mentioned. Now, whether he's dumb eniugh as scum to do that is the question I don't read old games. Ever. I didn't try to misrepresent what you said, I misunderstood what you said because of your bitter poor wording and took it for what it was. Go ahead and read what you posted: Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 So you don't use meta? If so do you have multiple other games where you say this? Do you really think it was obvious that you were referring to "falling into a Kenpachi trap" and not referring to "doing the same thing" when sayine I've done the same thing before ? Especially considering the 2nd phrase going on about it, makes it look like you're still talking about the same topic.
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Ah wtf its in the quotes
So you don't use meta? If so do you have multiple other games where you say this?
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