EPTParallel World Mafia: Chaos of GreY
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On December 11 2012 14:09 Foolishness wrote: /in Haha GreYMisT already signed you up before you signed up | ||
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Swapping the most scummiest players on both sides works directly counter to the plan. You are trying to lynch all the scummies from one world and replace them with town. If you swap scummiest from both sides that means you forgo lynching a very scummy candidate in order to lynch a perhaps less scummy candidate from the "town" world. BW (Both World) I don't like the plan. As it stands whoever we stands gets 1 cycle of lynch immunity which serves as perpetual distraction to discussion. You pump the "town" world with helpful / active / useful players and the "scum" town will be full of harder to read / inactive / less helpful players. Sure you could shout at them from one world to another but if they can't read one thread they probably can't read. I think we should just swap players of roughly equal alignment, e.g. swap kinda townie with a kinda townie, to avoid the swap. | ||
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How does a town decide upon who is most null? | ||
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I like austin's explanation (sans the mayoral aspect). | ||
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That's not what I said. I said deciding null players is oxymoronic, because getting a read on a player means concluding that they are more likely town or scum. Lurky / useless people generally tend to be scum and you would be lynching into them anyways, so to look for null players makes no sense. Swapping them is the worst thing to do because it alleviates pressure off of them for a full cycle - if you want mafia to play actively you lynch into them, not swap them. | ||
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also, ##Vote: Foolishness | ||
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Also, is there a way to subscribe to a thread without posting in it? I don't like having to check other thread manually for new posts. | ||
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The initial spat means nothing (or is unsubstantiated by anything meaningful) on both sides. As Palmar says, the only thing worth mentioning is Foolishness' response (or lack thereof). My question is addressing the point that there has been this awkward transition to talking about crossfire - his name was tossed out initially by marv, and strangely echoed by Foolishness. How does that not strike you as strange? Two people butting heads and suddenly all attention is on a bystander? As for the swap I've said my share and it's iGrok town to decide what they do. We should focus on today's lynch. | ||
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On December 12 2012 11:50 Dienosore wrote: ---- but then Why the flip-floppery Foolish? I told you already my heart couldn't handle any more of it  Are you still voting him for this? | ||
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On December 13 2012 12:37 Dienosore wrote: That is one of the reasons, yes. I've also factored in Marv's meta read on him and how Fool handled it. Also, he hasn't really denied being scum, just sort of has been deflecting the issue by arguing with folks. Also, my maps show that Fool has absolutely no support from anyone on either world. In fact, he even has some negative vibes from Sandro and Yomato, both of whom I consider to be playing fairly towny at this point. Now that I've tilted my hand, it's your turn to explain your reason for voting for him. How is this justification for voting someone? Wouldn't you expect of all people for scum to have some sort of support? My initial vote on Foolishness was for pressure, not because I thought he was particularly scummy. My vote is still on him cause his response itself is scummy. | ||
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##Vote (GreY): Crossfire99 | ||
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None of Palmar, slOosh or Crossfire99 are anti-town. | ||
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"None of Palmar, slOosh or Crossfire99 are scum." "None of the following players have anti-town roles at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99" "None of the following players have scum roles at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99" Pick whatever your role works best with, and justify your choice when you can. And results of course. | ||
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On December 14 2012 04:06 Dienosore wrote: @Blazinghand: "Any time a wagon gains momentum this quickly with no response it's on a townie." is just not true. Have you considered that the wagon was formed so fast that a mafia scumbuddy didn't have time to come to his defense before people were already jumping on? If someone hard defended Fool in this situation, it would have come off to me as incredibly scummy, especially since we were about to see his flip. If Fool had flipped mafia, then his scumbuddy who tried to defend him would have been immediately under the scope. Now that he isn't under direct threat, though, it is interesting to me to see who is coming to his defense... What do you mean by this? Why would scum go through the trouble of defending a buddy who can't be lynched? | ||
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You say it's a waste of time when it's clear you are focusing your attention on iGrok world, when today's lynch in this world is far from set. Who do you think is scum in this world? | ||
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I'm guessing if the vote count is correct that someone has power of hidden vote? Let's see what this does: ##Unvote (GreY): Crossfire99 | ||
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##Vote (GreY): slOosh | ||
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leaning away from marv pending some results. | ||
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On December 14 2012 06:09 GreYMisT wrote: GreY's Votecount Palmar (1): Randombum Crossfire99 (2): SlOosh No one to be lynched I voted myself to see if there was a hidden vote on Crossfire or I somehow obtained doublevotes. The ##worship thing was just a guess. | ||
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I'm not seeing where you are getting at with austin. Are you saying that town austin is usually paranoid about you and therefore would have no doubt included you in the check? I don't see much reason for scum to come in when town has no idea what to do after their main scum lynch was taken away, and then fake claim to offer up lynching guidance the way he did it. I'm leaning Kenpachi as a lurker / unreadable lynch. | ||
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On December 14 2012 08:06 marvellosity wrote: yes, I would absolutely expect him to include me on a check. In fact you were co-host in LV when I played around with austin in Toad's mason chat, and he's never trusted me since, and we've played many games together. austin is always paranoid of my alignment to the bold, why not? There's no incentive to. The thread was totally stagnant and he could easily feign interest and activity the way he did before hand. It is less likely that he make up a scum claim, and then work to direct the lynch in such a manner when he could have just sat back and let town die. Only reason to direct a lynch is to misdirect it off a scum fellow, and there wasn't anything building up on anyone to need to go to fake claim land. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: kenpachi | ||
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Is Dieno's play from CT so disparate to be the sole basis of a scum read on him? | ||
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On December 15 2012 01:23 marvellosity wrote: I did think about it a little more, and I'm not sure I completely accept what you said. The fact there was no reason for austin to do what he did as scum isn't a reason not to. austin loves 'plays'. What good did austin's power do? We ended up policy lynching kenpachi. You say that as if it was solely his fault that Kenpachi was lynched. Motivations are separate from results, and I don't think his motivations are scum driven. He carves out three people who cannot be lynched before him, which limits scum mislynch options and also drives lynch focus on himself if any of these three players look suspect. Plus there is the "let's just lynch him to confirm 3 people". All these things greatly diminish scum's ability to play, and the only upside to this whole thing is maybe "town credit" but that's like bussing your teammate before anyone starts suspecting them gives "town credit". The only way his play makes sense is if crossfire99 is scum, since the lynch was wavering and could have snowballed onto him, but I'm finding that austin's consistency / explanations outweigh that. | ||
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On December 15 2012 01:45 Dienosore wrote: We really didn't have any good candidates for our lynch, that's why it was so tough. It was more like pick the least worst option. We should start the discussion on who we want swap, and maybe this time have a backup just in case Clarity decides he wants to play interdimensional puppet master again. Any volunteers? Do you think clarity isn't town? | ||
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On December 15 2012 02:05 Dienosore wrote: I don't know what Clarity is, Sloosh. Omnipresence in both worlds, ability to hard swap people. It seems he has great power. Too much for a towny. However, I do believe he had no idea Fool was going to get swapped too, which would mean his play looks to be overall town-driven. His curious disappearance during our time of strife was explained by an "internet outage", which could either just be an honest mistake (most likely) or a scum motivated tactic to cause more chaos (less likely). Regardless, he is definitely a power role of some sort in this game, and should step up and embrace it. If you were clarity's role, how would you "step up and embrace it"? Who would you swap? | ||
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Please give an honest attempt at answering the question beyond "I dunno what do you think?". @ Hassy So you have no idea what each spirit does? Will you be guessing like marv? | ||
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How long till your ability charges? I think we should send austinmcc. That way scum is forced to either confirm three townies or let us get another potentially strong blue power. ##Vote (GreY): austinmcc | ||
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Still catching up on the cases. | ||
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I support a Dieno lynch. Dieno makes observations, not interpretations. It's easy to commentate, but harder to take stances as scum because it's hard to differentiate knowledge and perception. His fixation is on what people think rather than his thoughts on the posts themselves. I can't quote it, but if you look at how he references his maps to justify his votes, there are a couple of inconsistencies. For example, in his initial case of BH he says that his maps indicate a fairly town reputation yet uses maps as evidence for justification for his vote on BH. | ||
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On December 18 2012 09:45 Risen wrote: Yes, 1kp would have killed me last night due to other actions I have taken and their ramifications. Risen could you explain this sentence? I've asked multiple times for you / crossfire to clarify your role past cycles and you continue to be vague, despite having claimed all but name. Crossfire could you clarify with what certainty you know Risen's alignment? | ||
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On December 18 2012 12:01 Risen wrote: Yamato crossfire made it impossible for me to be roleblocked last night. On December 18 2012 12:18 Risen wrote: Btw I was roleblocked and took .5kp last night. Final answer. I don't get it what's going on | ||
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I still got this weird item. Nobody claiming it? | ||
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I've received the Variable-Wave Multispectrum Defrantalizer. Its description says it is a volatile device (which is why I don't think I should be swapped today) and I have to target someone (either world) by the deadline. I have no clue what it does. As no one has claimed it, it is probably from scum. By the flavor, my guess is that it does something with swaps ... but that's as far as I've gotten. | ||
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On December 18 2012 22:14 Hassybaby wrote: Sloosh, is there absolutely no indication as to what it does, beside that you have to target someone? Yup, just that the flavor suggests it probably has something to with swaps. I doubt it is a vig shot. | ||
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On December 19 2012 01:21 Hassybaby wrote: Ok then. I propose you wait until the second half of the day to see how Clarity's swap goes, then use it. Yea, I can change around targets, it just matters what the final target is at deadline. | ||
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On December 19 2012 04:21 Crossfire99 wrote: Sloosh, do you think it could be in any way dangerous to yourself? It says it is a volatile device. | ||
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How did darkfire screw us over? Mementoss should hang tomorrow because his interactions with darkfire and marv are inconsistent and I don't see how they could be from townie perspective. | ||
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We'll swap Risen-crossfire to reload the KP and just lynch into the remaining GreY players. ##Vote (GreY): Crossfire99 | ||
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On December 21 2012 10:08 Hassybaby wrote: Ok, that makes more sense than my idea :D Sloosh, I'm not sure how good of an idea is to reload me. Odds are they'll just put it back in the pot and we have to cross our fingers and hope I get Sagittarius I don't know how your ability works. Do you get to draw out of a pool, and reload would just put saggitarius back into the pool? Of course this is assuming there is even a reload ability. It seems much too powerful to be more than a one shot and no one has claimed it yet. | ||
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Either way Mementoss' defense makes no sense from townie perspective. You don't "play townie", superswaps keep roles, you don't need roles to find scum and you don't fearmonger vague scum tactics. Don't think we have to worry about scum majority. | ||
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My head still hurts and I have no idea what happened! | ||
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When I make my next game im going to have a mini game in the obs QT to lynch observers and send them to ANOTHER obs QT - GreYMisT from ObsQT. LOL | ||
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E.g. Hassy was swapped instead of me that one cycle. | ||
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