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Other world, feel free to chime in as well (I see you guys are, though).
That post from randombum:On December 13 2012 15:56 randombum wrote:
So.... who do we lynch now?
On December 13 2012 16:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
Dunno, who do you wanna lynch?
On December 13 2012 16:05 randombum wrote:
Honestly, at the moment you for screwing things up.
randombum was voting for palmar. He (I think jokingly) said palmar and marvellosity scum, gg.
But when clarity swaps, he seems concerned. He asks who we're going to lynch now, and wants to lynch clarity for "screwing things up."
Again, he was voting palmar. He had said NOTHING about foolishness/marv at that point. What was being screwed up? clarity really threw a wrench into the game state as a whole, and into this side's D1 lynch as it stood, but randombum didn't seem to have a dog in that fight.
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On December 14 2012 06:50 Crossfire99 wrote:
Austin, didn't you play with Dieno in Chrono? I think this is the way he plays town from my cursory following of Chrono. I joined like a cycle or two before he died. So I can't make much out of him from that game, as I don't know what he did for most of it (iirc claim D1? do some stuff).
I'm also less willing to be down with basing reads so heavily on meta. If someone's "meta" involves never substantiating reads, I'm going to find them scummy ALWAYS, because that's just a scummy thing to do. Even if someone does that as town, there's no reason why they can't easily do that as scum, and it's beneficial to do so as scum to boot.
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On December 14 2012 06:56 Kenpachi wrote:
on another note, im a pretty popular topic
Yar. Care to comment on any other topics?
Could we get another votecount?
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slOosh, you want to explain this?
On December 14 2012 06:37 slOosh wrote:
EBWOP:
leaning away from marv pending some results.
Was a weird phrase. Also, I gather that we're waiting for confirmation to see if you have a doublevote or there was a hidden vote?
+ Show Spoiler +***PARANOID RAMBLING*** There's a chance that if someone has a gf-type role, they wouldn't be "anti-town element." This should be saved for WAY, WAY later, but I was just thinking about that while the whole doublevote thing came up. Seems like that's generally a mafia thing, or if a townie has it then they are informed of the fact.
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On December 14 2012 06:59 Dienosore wrote:
Austin, you think Sandroba is just "some guy" ? Lol. I think he is town because of his play thus far. He was scum last game, and I do not think he is playing at all similarly to how he did then.
Here is YOUR OWN list, slightly revised of course. I took out myself because I am not scum, and clarity because he is too strange:
randombum
marvellosity
kenpachi
Randombum at least made an effort earlier on.
I kinda think Marv could be scum, but I don't like a vote on him tonight because if he is town then he will be pretty valuable later on.
Kenpachi is the scummiest looking to me because he has done nothing all game.
Hence, my vote stands on Kenpachi. Are you happy now?
No. I'm really not, even not trying to be a jerk here.
Sandroba is town. Why? "Because of his play thus far." That's not an actual answer. That's a hollow statement. You think he's playing differently this game than last game. That's MUCH BETTER. That's something that isn't hollow, but it's (1) unsubstantiated (HOW is he playing differently) and (2) you didn't bring that up before.
Moreover, if you're going to be making judgments on sandroba by comparing his play this game to past game, you should go look at kenpachi's games. Kenpachi is pretty well known for just playing his own game and not doing oodles.
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On December 14 2012 07:04 marvellosity wrote:
Guys I'm here. Panicking due to lack of time, questions welcome, gogo. Need to read the thread.
You. Alignment? (Don't lie)
Thoughts on:
randombum
dienosore
rugby as an olympic sport
kenpachi
You missed me objecting to a statement and telling everyone that Palmar, slOosh, and Crossfire99 are NOT "anti-town elements." So they're good to go for now, and they're worth listening to, although we haven't had a lot of time since then. Otherwise, there have been no big "AHA!" moments.
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On December 14 2012 07:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 07:05 austinmcc wrote:On December 14 2012 07:04 marvellosity wrote:
Guys I'm here. Panicking due to lack of time, questions welcome, gogo. Need to read the thread. You. Alignment? (Don't lie) Thoughts on: randombum dienosore rugby as an olympic sport kenpachi You missed me objecting to a statement and telling everyone that Palmar, slOosh, and Crossfire99 are NOT "anti-town elements." So they're good to go for now, and they're worth listening to, although we haven't had a lot of time since then. Otherwise, there have been no big "AHA!" moments. I just got to this. Why the fuck didn't you include me? This makes me quite suspicious Because you've been gone and doing nothing and we can get to that later. Nobody seems to want to deal with lynching or not lynching you with you being gone today. Get over it. Also, I'm town. (And I DID ask you for your alignment).
Oh...wait. You mean in terms of the people I listed? SEE ABOVE. You've been gone, can't get a good read on you, wanted to stop at 3, blah blah blah. Shut up and thank me later for actually finding 3 townies.
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On December 14 2012 07:07 Dienosore wrote:
It's less that I think kenpachi is totes scum and more that there aren't many other good options out there right now. I'll be glad to change my vote to randombum if kenpachi starts becoming useful really fast.
That is what you are trying to get me to do, right? Change my vote?
No. I'm less concerned with who you're voting than...how?
I dunno how closely you followed CT after dying, but all the stuff I was calling phagga for is stuff I think is scummy. If you don't commit to reads, with reasoning, then your thoughts on everyone are just malleable and can change all game whenever you need them to. That makes YOU more difficult to read, and you look scummy, AND we can't really trust what you're saying about anyone because we don't know where it came from.
I want actual thoughts, reads, that I can hold you to. Like, whether I agree with your ultimate read or not, I think the thought process behind a read can be very telling of someone's alignment. Why does X find Y townie or scummy?
When you don't provide that, you look scummy to me. I want to be able to discern your alignment (or more specifically, find you town if you're town). I care about that more than I care about who you're voting for today.
I don't want votes on randombum right now. But I don't want him sitting by the wayside. Bringing him up, tossing him around, and getting a decent number of "ZOMG DON'T LYNCH RANDOMBUM" is enough for me.
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On December 14 2012 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks of me, what gets me is that *austin* didn't include me as a check.
austin is well known for having complete paranoia about my play.
If I were going to check you, I'd have to just check you, because I'd be paranoid.
I don't want to just check you, I want to actually narrow down the total options for anti-town folks on this side of the world.
We already have two small groups to work with, I was able to cut the size of one group by 1/3 to 1/2. That's more important than your alignment for today, given that we needed something to get things moving.
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Dear Other World,
I'm still slightly worried about the hassy swap. If we gave you 1-2 scum, I don't like the idea of swapping a townie, even if the townie gets powers (ESPECIALLY when (1) we don't actually KNOW hassy's townie or telling the truth and (2) nobody knows what he'll actually DO if he's here (he himself said some of the things might just fizzle or be bad iirc)).
If scum NKs a townie on your side of things, we MAY be walking a very thin line on your side of the world. I'm really, really worried about this.
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marv, stop asking questions.
Look at randombum, dienosore, kenpachi. Then come back and ask questions later.
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Mementoss,
You guys are somewhere between 2-4 scum today on your side of things, out of 10 players. The one thing we pretty much can't afford to do is let scum control one side. They can always lynch townies or no lynch if just scum, they can NK people on the townie side, overall it just really messes with things if I try to play that scenario out quickly in my head. So whatever swap plan we want to have, I think the best is just to stay simple and attempt to keep scum from controlling either world.
You swap someone tonight, and scum NK someone. If you swap a townie, and they NK a townie on your side, that's 2-4 scum and 4-6 townies. Or..."townies." Because they could be 3P, could be "anti-town elements," etc. We also don't know if anyone has a bonus swap, swap blocking, whatever.
Anyway, even if we sent you ONE scum, that's 3 scum 5 maximum townies. All scum would ahve to do is convince 1-2 people to go their way, they lynch town tomorrow, and then control that side of things.
On the flip side, we don't know WHAT we sent you, and we don't know what hassy is for you guys to send back. I can't really sit here and go "Well, you guys should send a definite scum player back this way." No guarantee what you'll send. But I think this issue needs to be raised, because almost all the townies are going to have to be on one page over there tomorrow.
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Mementoss/Hassy,
following up after reading hassy's post. Some of what I would advise doing would be dependant on Palmar and clarity's roles.
If clarity can portal every cycle, he can fix a perceived imbalance tomorrow on his own. If Palmar can tie people together, he may be able to do the same thing by letting us swap 2 townies to a particular side where we need townies. Knowing what they can do lets us know how much power we have to fix a perceived imbalance without being reliant on the voted-for-swaps.
I think it's more prudent to swap someone scummy than to get you activated right now, hassy. I'm in the same boat as you where I'd like to swap and see if I have a secondary role, and clarity put me a step removed from that, but oh well. I'd rather make sure we don't get into a bad spot before that happens. If you're telling the truth, we're swapping you to activate your role, which would give you some random action. So starting cycle 2, you'd have some action to use but none of us know what yet. Even if we KNEW you were town, that's not a super-duper benefit to us overall. It's good, but I kind of want to get rid of a scum or two before we start moving people around for extra roles? Unless we have a good number of vigi roles, or can swap a good number of people on our own regularly, then we might wind up with you getting powers, but being unable to control half the game.
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On December 14 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 07:27 Crossfire99 wrote:
Marv, if no one was off the table, who would you want to lynch? Well, you seem kinda interested so maybe you're town this game. sloosh for right now I think is town, Palmar is null. So really it's between austin and kenpachi. I'm fine with a policy lynch at this point and I don't trust austin for his checks at all. I don't know if now it's just ME being paranoid, but his explanation that he'd have to check me by myself seems such a copout.
Pshaw. Look at the rest of my play this game. Or we can discuss my checks after this lynch/you can try to get me lynched/whatever. But you'll notice that the people who were around don't seem to be finding me scummy. At the very least, drop me for this cycle.
Besides, you know I'll check you by yourself later 
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Keirathi,
objection was 1-shot. On December 11 2012 07:00 GreYMisT wrote:
Most players have 2 roles. Which role is active will be dependent on which world you are in. In most cases you will not know your alternate role until you have swapped Worlds. You may only use your currently active role.
clarity's swap was a special kind that did not alter our abilities. Foolishness has his Chaos of Grey role/ability; I have my iGrok role/ability.
If I get swapped back, and swapped over here normally, then there is a chance that I have another role. That's what I mean about wanting to get swapped. Not that I can re-up on whatever objection-making role I have, which was 1-shot, but that there's a chance I have a second role.
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Voting kenpachi, then headed home quick.
##Vote (GreY): kenpachi
marv's return is funky to me, but in my head scum would prefer not to flip me and have 3 people confirmed not-anti-town, which should be putting me as reading him townie. in general, I think that he should be reading me as town if he were town, but I'm not certain of that one. Oh well.
dienosore's vote is...what it is.
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On December 14 2012 07:47 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 07:41 austinmcc wrote:Keirathi, objection was 1-shot. On December 11 2012 07:00 GreYMisT wrote:
Most players have 2 roles. Which role is active will be dependent on which world you are in. In most cases you will not know your alternate role until you have swapped Worlds. You may only use your currently active role. clarity's swap was a special kind that did not alter our abilities. Foolishness has his Chaos of Grey role/ability; I have my iGrok role/ability. If I get swapped back, and swapped over here normally, then there is a chance that I have another role. That's what I mean about wanting to get swapped. Not that I can re-up on whatever objection-making role I have, which was 1-shot, but that there's a chance I have a second role. Austin if objection was 1-shot, how will you do this? Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 07:33 austinmcc wrote:On December 14 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:On December 14 2012 07:27 Crossfire99 wrote:
Marv, if no one was off the table, who would you want to lynch? Well, you seem kinda interested so maybe you're town this game. sloosh for right now I think is town, Palmar is null. So really it's between austin and kenpachi. I'm fine with a policy lynch at this point and I don't trust austin for his checks at all. I don't know if now it's just ME being paranoid, but his explanation that he'd have to check me by myself seems such a copout. Pshaw. Look at the rest of my play this game. Or we can discuss my checks after this lynch/you can try to get me lynched/whatever. But you'll notice that the people who were around don't seem to be finding me scummy. At the very least, drop me for this cycle. Besides, you know I'll check you by yourself later
On December 14 2012 07:45 austinmcc wrote:
Keirathi,
sex joke.
FOR ANYONE ELSE! I HEREBY STATE THAT I HAVE MADE A MILDLY DIRTY JOKE, IN WHICH I INFORM MARV THAT I WILL "CHECK HIM BY HIMSELF" LATER. THIS WAS INNUENDO, ENTIRELY UNRELATED TO GAME. MY OBJECTION IS GONE. MY LIBIDO IS NOT. IF YOU WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BE "CHECKED," PLEASE SAY SO DURING CYCLE 3 AND I'LL TRY AND GET TO YOU AFTER MARV. NOTE THAT "CHECKED" IS BEING USED AS INNUENDO AGAIN.
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On December 14 2012 08:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 08:03 slOosh wrote:
marv, like I said I'm here on and off.
I'm not seeing where you are getting at with austin. Are you saying that town austin is usually paranoid about you and therefore would have no doubt included you in the check? I don't see much reason for scum to come in when town has no idea what to do after their main scum lynch was taken away, and then fake claim to offer up lynching guidance the way he did it.
I'm leaning Kenpachi as a lurker / unreadable lynch. yes, I would absolutely expect him to include me on a check. In fact you were co-host in LV when I played around with austin in Toad's mason chat, and he's never trusted me since, and we've played many games together. austin is always paranoid of my alignment to the bold, why not?
I don't have a DT check. I have an objection. The best way to use that is to narrow down the pool of people on this side of the game, because Foolishness was basically the only option yesterday and then he got swapped. Is it perfect? No. But at the very least I can get us to "there is someone we need to lynch in these 3" or "there is not someone we need to lynch in these 3."
Between the two, getting "there is not someone we need to lynch in these 3" is the best outcome, because it's definite. Here are 3 people I can trust, we can trust. We KNOW that none of those folks need lynching.
If I check 3 people and get a false, that there IS someone in the group I checked that is scum, that's a MUCH less preferable answer. We don't know if 1 scum, 2 scum, 3 scum. It gives us a small pool to lynch into if we want, but it doesn't tell us when to stop.
If I'm going to check multiple people then, I'd rather carve an entire section of this world OUT. None of them are anti-town, and moreover, we can trust Palmar and slOosh's posts, which is something I value. That's ANOTHER bonus from checking a group comprised of only people I think are town.
And...ta da! I found 3 townies, or 3 "not anti-town"ies. That is so far and away preferable to using the objection to check a group of people that I'm NOT sure on. If I check you and 2 others, and I get "oh shit dawg, there's some anti-town up in this bitch" then what do I do. We know you can't ALL be trusted, we know SOME of you are anti-town, but not which.
I can understand you thinking that I'd check you, but the role is best used not as a check. The role is best used to get a group of people I have townreads on, and carve them away from the rest. That is a much more definite and beneficial use of asking about a group.
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To Hassy in the other world,
Yes, some of my reasoning is downright retarded. If foolishness flips, I'll look all wishy washy on some dude that flipped scum, but I don't really care. I'm both wishy washy in a lot of games, and marv is both right that I'm paranoid about him, but should also stick an addendum on there that I'm often paranoid about people he goes after 1 on 1 (Palmar in Rock Band, WBG in ... Paranoia, don't think there's more than that).
It's one reason I find this whole thing funny. I was also defending Palmar oddly in Rock Band, when marv was going after him, and Palmar flipped scum. It's not 1:1, and yes, me talking about foolish here is some weird wishy washy throwaway half-assed defense-ish post. But...I actually do that a lot? I'm always surprised not to get mislynched for being wishy washy quite often.
Anywho, as long as my reasoning comes through, that's usually what I rely on for people to see that I'm townie. I'm quite, quite worried about scum getting control of a world because we gave you guys scum, and nobody else (At least here) seems to be. Boo on that.
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