EPTLets just say you are right, and FC/Orange is 1 scum and 1 town. Who is the scum to you, and who is the town?
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Corazon
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Lets just say you are right, and FC/Orange is 1 scum and 1 town. Who is the scum to you, and who is the town? | ||
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On December 29 2012 16:02 cDgCorazon wrote: I think you have some valid points there Shz. Lets just say you are right, and FC/Orange is 1 scum and 1 town. Who is the scum to you, and who is the town? I would like to extend this question to you as well Cake. | ||
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On December 30 2012 01:25 cakepie wrote: @Chrom please don't joke about sheeping. it's very, very unfunny in the context of this game. Anyhow my vote was clearly to get you in here and has achieved its objective. Stick around, yah? ##Unvote I like the vote balance as is; under the 1 scum, 1 town hypothesis, both orange and FC have equal incentive to come out and talk to us. Let's hope we may learn something more, yet. Do you really feel like theyre both going to defend themselves? Orange hasn't even defended himself at all the whole game. FC has done a little work defending himself, but they've been inconsistent and weak. If you go out and attack Orange, he just kind of sits there and posts other things, pretending your argument is not even there. That's why I've been after him since D2. He's afraid to rise to the challenge of defending himself, and just hopes that no one notices his lack of defending himself. At least FC has done a few things to try to prove he's not scum, even if they aren't very convincing. I'm not saying FC is 100% town, but I think Orange is still the most likely scum, trying to get FC to be lynched. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 09:15 cDgCorazon wrote: While we are all giving out possible cases. A few points have been covered so far, but I believe we should put all of our options on the table, and I would like to do this before someone else does so and make me look like a bandwagoner. A case against Orangeremi. Someone I would like to make a case against is Orangeremi, who has not made a significant enough contribution to the town to be completely innocent, and their lack of participation of making real discussion has made me very skeptical about their town/scum status. Besides 1-2 posts, the rest have not been very thought-provoking, and have been mostly one-liners and stuff that does not advance the discussion forward. This is a very safe strategy to not attract attention, a strategy which would benefit a scum very much. While I would like to say that his/her intentions were good, they have waited too long to come forward with any names. This implies that either they have not seen anything from anyone that has looked suspicious (which I highly doubt, as other people have said suspicious things), or he is afraid to come forward with any accusations because that would put them in the spotlight. From my earlier post: Orangeremi’s only hint of who he feels as suspicious has come in the way of this post: They named 4 people who they are slightly suspicious of, but put no reason behind any of his suspicions. This is a scummy action because they simply did not have a good reason for suspecting those 4 people to be scum. A big scum tell is just accusing people without giving any arguments, or arguments that do not make any logical sense. It is almost hoping that the town agrees so the scum’s lynch target(s) can go down, without making any effort whatsoever. Since Orangeremi has not given arguments for why Threesr, Fatchunk, and Sylencia (they have given an argument for me) are scum, we should assume for now that he/she does not have an argument for them. Not only is that a weak accusation, but a scummy accusation as well. I feel like OJR (which is what I’m calling he/she from now on, much easier to write) needs to step up his scum-hunting efforts in order to clear suspicion from myself. OJR has all the room to defend themselves, but until OJR picks it up, I am very suspicious of them. I also wish that if you guys vote for OJR later, you should have a good reason for doing it as well. I'm not too fond of bandwagoners. To which he replied: On December 22 2012 12:30 Orangeremi wrote: I wasn't swayed either way by it. Your case was a tough one to argue and he tried. I don't feel like he succeeded. When he answered my question about his defense it seemed to me even fluffier as well. At this point I think it's fairly obvious, unfortunately I woke up too late to detail a case myself. Most everything that could've been said about him has been. It will take a fair deal of convincing for me to change my mind before Day's end. ##Vote: OmniEulogy Answering absolutely none of my points. When I asked him to do so: On December 22 2012 12:47 cDgCorazon wrote: You still have not answered any of my accusations Orangeremi. Care to do so? We have this exchange of messages: On December 22 2012 12:59 Orangeremi wrote: Is there anything in specific you're looking for? All of your claims are valid, and you just asked me to step up my scum hunting. On December 22 2012 13:01 cDgCorazon wrote: Is there anyone you think is suspicious besides OE? On December 22 2012 13:26 Orangeremi wrote: I don't like how Threesr is playing if he's town. He's helping very little and I could see him playing a reverse psychological scum the way he is acting. I've got my eye on FC, but want to hold off on further judgements until I see him post this Day I'm also waiting on more from Kickstart, I'm wary of how he's playing this game as opposed to his last one. While this is somewhat of a response, I still would like more clarity, to see that he really is making an effort in the scumhunt, and not naming off people who are just easy lynch targets: On December 22 2012 13:35 cDgCorazon wrote: Could you go into a bit more depth? Any posts that indicate these behaviors to you? To which he On December 22 2012 14:01 Orangeremi wrote: @cake I'm interested in his theory regarding you+OE+Chrom scum team, but I don't know how much credibility it has. Just trying to change the subject when the finger is pointed at him, trying to get himself out of the spotlight? Looks so. What would he do as scum? He would try to look like he is answering my accusations, but also try to get the spotlight off of him as quickly as he could. That’s exactly what he did. And then there’s my second big attack on him (and FC): On December 29 2012 08:40 cDgCorazon wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 18:26 cDgCorazon wrote: I've been looking or the events and posts surrounding Shz's almost-lynching, and I've come up with a few things I'd like to share. I think it's ok to vote for Shz. His play has still been sub-par this game, and I'm not saying that anyone is scum or not just because of how they voted. Cake (Voted for FC)- He already stated his reasoning, and I think that his points have merit. We shouldn’t look too much into Cake’s decision to vote FC. Chrom- While he was not the first one to vote for Shz, he started the whole bandwagon with: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 08:18 Chromatically wrote: In fact, you can ignore the thing I posted. There's no reason for a townie to not care at all about the d2 lynch. No pushing, no voting, nothing at all. Not town behavior. Voteswitch time, everyone. His reasons for Shz are solid, and I feel the same way. When he says that Shz did not vote on D2, he really meant it. His D2 vote for Chrom was really just a useless vote, and could have been used somewhere else. The OMGUS vote, along with the lurking and lack of contribution, shows that Chrom's vote for Shz was justified and reasonable. Unfortunately, I have to give Chrom the title of shepherd, because what came next became a clusterf**k of sheeping. Kick-Obviously, this is one of the more puzzling votes, but figuring out his motives could help us greatly in the scumhunt ahead. The most curious thing about his vote was the timing. His vote for Shz was 10 minutes before the deadline. -Why would he time it that late if he wanted to make a move to save himself? -Wouldn’t a better way to save himself be to defend himself a few hours before? -Had Kick given up, and was just exploiting a possible way to escape lynching, or was he trying to create some last minute chaos to rock everyone right before the votes were final? This is a very likely possibility, if Kick acted alone, it was more likely because of this cause. More on how we should find out at the end of the post. For now, let’s move on to the other two. Orange: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 08:55 Orangeremi wrote: Since that train seems to be going somewhere and scum seems fine with us voting Kick. ##Vote: shz Chrom, if shz turns town I'm looking at you. Hopping off of FC wagon when it seemed to gain momentum was something I was looking for. This is sheep #1. His whole post says, “I’m a sheep, I’m voting for Shz. The shepherd is supposed to be in charge of me, so if things go wrong with this vote, I can just dump the blame on him”. That is basically how his vote played out. This is textbook scum play. What is one way scum stays out of the spotlight? Joining the bandwagon of someone who has a strong town read from many other players in the game. This does one of two things: Gets rid of someone that scum knows is town, which puts the town in an even worse position. Giving Orange a way out if the vote goes wrong. If Shz flipped town, Orange can just point the finger at Chrom and stay in the shadows while another townie gets lynched. He even admits that is what he wants to do: Sheeping and not scumhunting are two tell-tale signs of scum. He doesn’t even try to defend himself when I directly call him out, he just ignores it and posts. We need to pressure him. He’s gotten away with this behavior so far because everyone else’s behavior was just so bad. FatChunk His original vote post: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 08:58 FatChunk wrote: okay well I think that either of the two people are scum: sHz and kickstart, and to be honest the last post of shz on the 27th was really scummy to me. I hope we're right. ##unvote ##Vote: sHz His post explaining his vote: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 10:52 FatChunk wrote: Okay so here is/was my thought process. Chrom made some interesting observations about sHz, enough to cause me to make my read slightly stronger about sHz than Kick. After all, kick was a lurker more than anything, and scum lynch > lurker lynch. I was pretty confident in following someone with town rep like chrom, especially someone who is willing to risk his town rep on a scum read. but at this point I think that sHz is cleared, right? if shz was scum, Kickstart, a player with some experience, would not accuse sHz of scum that early in the game: it is just bad play. Unless kick was making bad cases to be shot down and appear to be scumhunting. Distancing himself from fellow scum? I don't know. Orangeremi, kickstart's scum partner, chooses to try and swing the vote toward sHz as a last minute attempt. His explanation is that he didn't think kickstart was scum, and that he voted me to judge my reaction. The part that interested me most was the line: Which contrasts with this post (this isn’t the whole post, but I made sure not to take him out of context): + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2012 04:03 FatChunk wrote: chromatically - I have noticed that he pressures too hard to the point of almost lying and skewing my words and overanalyzing small reactions in order to further his agenda. Faint vibe that I think should be looked into. Also, he seems like an experienced player which is scary if hes mafia. And this post: + Show Spoiler + On December 24 2012 03:03 FatChunk wrote: Regarding his[OE's] FoS on me: All I ever said was that I had a suspicion of chrom, something that needed to be examined after a lynch of omni, who is the most suspicious right now in my eyes. I also simply mentioned that Mocsta's case should be considered as we move forward. Well, isn’t that a complete 180 from D1 and D2? What gave you such a change of heart? Maybe it was the mislynch of Omni. FC could have figured out that if he says that he believes that Chrom is town, it could be to just keep Chrom around to be the shepherd to get all the townies to lynch themselves (which happened on D2, and possibly almost happened on D3). He could also reading Chrom as town because if the town decide to lynch Chrom off (in the case that Shz got lynched and flipped town), he can defend Chrom and therefore get some town cred if Chrom flips town. While it is not as open as Orange, FC’s sheeping needs to be looked into. He also needs to explain his change of heart on Chrom, and start naming off some suspects if he wants to prove he is not scum. So the question is: Where do we go from here? It seems like the next lynch could shape up to be a lynch for information. In normal circumstances, it is a bad thing, but with all the chaos that finished up Day 3, lynching for answers could be the way to root out the last 2 scum. Now that we have some more breathing room, and LYLO is again just a bad dream for now, a lynch for information here might be very beneficial to the town. Do we lynch Shz, and figure out if his almost-lynch today was a bunch of sheeps, or a mafia clusterf**k? Do we lynch someone who jumped on the bandwagon, and figure out from there if the bandwagon on Shz was an attempt to bus, or a case with some merit, which would put Shz back under suspicion? Which was not addressed at all in his last post: On December 28 2012 22:20 Orangeremi wrote: 1) I'm leaning towards neither, unless it's just bad scum play. If I had to choose, it'd be FC since he hopped on last and could use that fact as an excuse. 2) I wouldn't say I'm on chrom's case. I am suspicious because of that move, but his motives seem sound. I don't understand what Kickstart was doing AT ALL. The only thing I can think is that the rest of the mafia planned this lynch to avoid their own suspicion. The wagoners? I don't know, Syl and Aqua seemed to hop on that train with little initiative and rode it undercover. With what they've contributed, I'm surprised they haven't been nk'd yet. I still want to wait to see who gets killed tonight. I'm really curious who they'll pick. He’s simply not defending himself. If he wants to prove he is not scum, he needs to defend himself and stop pretending like everything is going to blow over like it’s nothing. | ||
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Corazon
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On December 28 2012 05:07 FatChunk wrote: I literally just kept delaying posting for this reason. I have been quite lazy. OMGUS? First, I'd like to address something that gave cakepie a scumread on me: Me lynching omni for information. In that post of mine I prefaced the post with such a statement. I later began to develop why I think this would be a good lynch, followed by stating that I had a scumread on him. The town flip on omni makes us doubt Mocsta's cases on chrom and cakepie, and helps us look at relationships omni has with other players. Well, this is more defense of himself than Orange has given. | ||
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On December 30 2012 01:52 cakepie wrote: The point of the 1 scum / 1 town hypothesis is, if we're making a terrible mistake with the theory of Kick/orange/FC scumteam, and one, or even both of them is innocent, they have nothing to lose in talking to us (we're close to lynching them!) and everything to lose by staying silent (we mislynch, shit happens, town loses). Doesn't "talking to us" imply defending themselves? | ||
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On December 26 2012 15:57 cDgCorazon wrote: The reason I stopped pursuing Orange was that OE decided that he did not want to live anymore, and made a silly arguments that really made me feel like his erratic behavior was scummy. My suspicions of Orange are still strong, I just felt like OE was the better lynch choice at the time. The truth is, Orange still has not responded directly to my accusations. However, he has posted a little but more, and is a little less lurky than before. I would like Orange's accusations to come out into the open. Holding them back is only hurting the town. I would like to see Orange become more active today, and give us his reads. I feel like he is more of a mystery than Kick right now. After seeing four townies go down, we cannot afford to take risks, and we need to go for the more likely scum lynch. My most suspicious people, in order, are as follows: -Kick -Orange -FatChunk (I feel like while he has given some reads, his activity level has been sub-par. However, less sub-par than the above two) I already addressed that question. However, I did overlook that post. On the other hand, Orange has also not answered my second round of accusations: On December 29 2012 08:40 cDgCorazon wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 18:26 cDgCorazon wrote: Orange: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 08:55 Orangeremi wrote: Since that train seems to be going somewhere and scum seems fine with us voting Kick. ##Vote: shz Chrom, if shz turns town I'm looking at you. Hopping off of FC wagon when it seemed to gain momentum was something I was looking for. This is sheep #1. His whole post says, “I’m a sheep, I’m voting for Shz. The shepherd is supposed to be in charge of me, so if things go wrong with this vote, I can just dump the blame on him”. That is basically how his vote played out. This is textbook scum play. What is one way scum stays out of the spotlight? Joining the bandwagon of someone who has a strong town read from many other players in the game. This does one of two things: Gets rid of someone that scum knows is town, which puts the town in an even worse position. Giving Orange a way out if the vote goes wrong. If Shz flipped town, Orange can just point the finger at Chrom and stay in the shadows while another townie gets lynched. He even admits that is what he wants to do: Sheeping and not scumhunting are two tell-tale signs of scum. He doesn’t even try to defend himself when I directly call him out, he just ignores it and posts. We need to pressure him. He’s gotten away with this behavior so far because everyone else’s behavior was just so bad. | ||
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On December 30 2012 04:56 Chromatically wrote: Is there a particular reason that you ignored this post, Corazon? After you presented your first case, you said that it had satisfied your accusations. EBWOP: This was the message I was answering. | ||
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Plus if I said right now that I think FC is scum, I would lose all of my credibility because I've been pursuing Orange since the beginning of Day 2. | ||
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On December 30 2012 02:00 cakepie wrote: 2. Implicit in 1 scum/1 town is that there is one more scum hiding among the remaining five besides orange/FC. So, qualified scumhunt, gogogo. (Please clearly indicate that you are working on 1 scum/1 town assumption) You'll see who I think is the other scum in that post. | ||
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On December 30 2012 02:00 cakepie wrote: 2. Implicit in 1 scum/1 town is that there is one more scum hiding among the remaining five besides orange/FC. So, qualified scumhunt, gogogo. (Please clearly indicate that you are working on 1 scum/1 town assumption) I guess I will be the first one to step up with this. These are my reads based off of the 1 town/1 scum hypothesis (which I’m calling the 1-1 theory). I was going to put everyone’s posts on the two suspects in here, but after 15-16 pages on word on all of my posts towards the two, I’ve decided to cut out the fluff. If OrangeRemi is town, and FC is scum: Sylencia (Voting History: Corazon, OE, Kickstart, and OrangeRemi)) Posts dealing with FC: 8 Posts dealing with Orange: 4 Analysis: His voting history is that of a sheep. The only trains he has not sheeped on were the Spag train and the Shz train. His initial reads on FC (before FC was under pressure) are very weak, and on the middle of the fence. However, once FC started to come under fire, his scum reads of FC began to surface, but only when FC was the flavor of the month. However, his reads of Orange have been scum for a bit longer, and his current vote is on Orange. However, Orange is his third highest scum read. That does not make much sense. His overall effort has been sub-par, and his sheeping tendencies and reluctancy to come into the spotlight for the first two days has me very suspicious. I know I said he was starting to look town to me, but with the introduction of the 1-1 theory has me more suspicious of his true intentions. He was pretending to be aloof of FC’s lack of participation and scummy actions, and is voting for Orange (even though he claimed Orange as his 3rd strongest scum read) has me suspicious that he decided to bus Kick and distance himself from FC so he could escape suspicion when (hypothetically) FC flips scum. I’m going to have to go with scum in this hypothetical situation for these reasons. Myself(Voting History: Aqua, Threesr, No-Lynch, Threesr (2), Orangeremi, Shz, Orangeremi (2), No-Lynch (2), OE, Kickstart, Orangeremi (3), Kickstart (2), Orangeremi (4)) Posts dealing with FC: 10 Posts dealing with Orange: 39 Analysis: Well basically, my voting history has been all over the place. I’ve voted for 6 players, some multiple times, and I’ve voted for a no-lynch twice. I feel like I have contributed to the scumhunt, and I do truly believe that Orange is scum. However, I do not believe that I should be lynched in case Orange (hypothetically) flips town, and the 1-1 theory is correct. If that was the case, we should have lynched Chrom and Aqua for mislynching townies. I’m not attacking Orange to defend FC, I believe that they both have had scummy behaviors over the course of the game, but I believe that Orange has behaved just slightly more scummy than FC. I have more confidence in Orange being scum, but if he flips town I should be scrutinized for it, but not lynched. Chromatically(Voting History: Corazon, FatChunk, Spag, OE, Shz, OE(2), FatChunk(2), Shz (2), Orangeremi, FatChunk (3)) Posts dealing with FC: Somewhere around 30 (lost count, couldn’t be bothered to start over) Posts dealing with Orange: 27 Analysis: I think Chrom is town no matter what happens with these flips. While I disagree with his Spag vote (but I disagreed with everyone’s Spag vote), he has not and should not have been scrutinized too hard for his lynch on OE. It sounds like I’m saying this just because I voted for OE too, but OE played like scum, and he should have played better if he wanted to prove he was town. The only thing that has me curious is why he is so quick to agree with the 1-1 theory if he has implicated both Orange and FC as scum. I thought he would be trying to debuff the 1-1 theory. However, I think he is town no matter what. Cakepie(Voting History: Orangeremi, Spag, Kickstart, OE, Kickstart(2), FatChunk, Chromatically) Posts dealing with FC: 18 Posts dealing with Orange: 32 Analysis Like Chrom, I feel like Cake is town no matter what the flips are. His play has been as scum-free as possible. He has accused both players equally, and given them all the room in the world to defend themselves (even though the two haven’t taken it). (More on Shz later) [B]Other possibility: If OrangeRemi is scum and FatChunk is town: Sylencia In this scenario, I’m still suspicious of Sylencia. The fact that his initial reads on FC are weak, plus the fact that he’s voting Orange even though Orange is supposedly his 3rd strongest read, has me very suspicious. In this scenario, he would be bussing Orange and defending FatChunk, so if town votes Orange off, and then votes another town off, he can convince FC that he is not scum and to vote for whoever else is left (because in that case there would be 3 people left, 1 scum and 2 town) in order to win the game. He is most suspicious person out of everyone besides FC and Orange. Myself If Orange is scum, then I hope I will be cemented as solid townie in everyone else’s eyes. I would then probably be the most likely target for a nightkill. Cakepie & Chrom I’ve already said that they’re town no matter how this 1-1 theory goes. Now, you might be asking, “Hey Corazon, didn’t you forget Shz?”. Well, I have another theory for Shz. Let’s keep with the assumption that the 1-1 theory is true. Wasn’t Shz cleared under the suspicion that FC and Orange are a scumteam? If the 1-1 theory is true, that means 2 mafia and 2 town were on the Shz lynch train. Here is my hypothesis, still assuming the 1-1 theory as true: -Mafia thought that Shz was the most likely to go out, so they wanted the kick train to keep on going so Shz would be saved. -Kick told Mafia that his RL stuff (or whatever reason he was lurking for) was all cleared up. -Mafia agreed that if pressure was going to go back onto Shz, they would agree to bus Shz instead of sit around and let kick get lynched. -They thought that Kick would be able to turn it around and convince town that he was scum (because he was a vocal player in his last Mafia game), and that Kick bussing Shz would allow kick to get some brownie points with the town and work his way back to not being suspected. -That’s why Orange/FC(one scum, the other lazy sheep) and Kick did not vote for Shz until Chrom initiated the wagon, and the late votes were because Chrom started the wagon so late. -Shz obviously would not vote for himself because that would make it seem really obvious that he was being bussed. -However, they did not get enough votes, and kick got lynched. Shz’s initial attacks on Kick and FC are kind of weak, and are in reality only because Kick and FC were the flavors of the month at the time of him accusing them. He’s suggesting the 1-1 theory because he knows that if he busses FC and proves that Orange is town, he could gain so much brownie points with the town for lynching two mafia that he would never be seen as a scum until the very end. That’s why he failed to conceive that Orange could be scum and that FC could be town. [B]On December 30 2012 01:43 shz wrote: Wait a minute. I didn't look at Orange's play if he was scum and FC was town. Then the vote would make a lot of more sense. The Aqua thing is still strange, but if scum was really that afraid of Aqua, might be better to kill him off... Dammit. This isn't as clear as it seems. I really think we should look into the Kick/FC or Orange/Shz scumteam. TL;DR: I think that Syl is possible scum no matter who is town and who is scum. I also think that Shz is an outside chance of being scum, but a lot of things need to come together for it to work. Chrom and Cake are definite townies to me no matter how the flips go. I hope you guys get some value out of this, and I’ll be back in a while to see how you guys feel about this. | ||
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Corazon
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On December 30 2012 12:20 Sylencia wrote: Corazon: The reads I had changed. If you looked after the post where I said that Orange was my third, he decided to post and it looked like a very scummy post to me. Honestly, it looked like a desperate play from my perspective. That is why I voted for him at the start of the day. Also, when I voted Orange, I was still under the impression I was voting for FC next. There would be no town image projected to him if I was to vote him right after, right? This was before the 1-1 theory came about, and honestly, I'm not exactly sold on the 1-1 theory yet either. Well you shouldn't see it as a "OMG lets kill Syl right now" sort of accusation. We need to figure out if the 1-1 theory is true. That's what I believe today's vote is all about proving the 1-1 theory. Remember, this is all hypothetical. There's a chance the 1-1 theory is wrong, and that FC/Orange have some master plan or do not know what they are doing. If the 1-1 theory is true, then someone else has to be scum. I just believe that you've flown under the radar a bit too much this game. | ||
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On December 30 2012 12:47 Sylencia wrote: How does today's vote prove or disprove the 1-1 theory? In fact, isn't it detrimental to us if we prove the 1-1 theory by flipping a town? If that happens, we're down to 3-2 on Day 5, and the chances that we survive that are quite slim. Naturally, if it so happens to be we prove this theory, then so be it, but shouldn't we concentrate on who is scum between them? (Scum flip neither proves or disproves the 1-1 theory) You're right. It doesn't. However, I agree with you that Orange is more scummy than FC still. | ||
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@Shz: Seeing as I almost got lynched for something similar, I don't think we should throw it off the table. | ||
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On December 30 2012 08:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I really think we should look into the Kick/FC or Orange/Shz scumteam. EBWOP: I really think we should look into the Kick/(FC or Orange)/Shz scumteam. Edited for clarification. | ||
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On December 30 2012 13:21 cakepie wrote: @corazon, shz My putting out the 1-1 theory has two key aims: - provides a failsafe in case orange/FC scumteam is a horrible mistake. It is pretty much a last chance for one or even both of them, if town, to step up and prevent this game from being basically lost by a mislynch on themselves. - it keeps the discussion going. The lessons of D2 are ever in my mind, and in D3 I did not manage to move the discussion despite my questioning. Let's be honest, we caught a lucky break from Kickstart's play. Sure both aqua and I explicitly said to push orange, then FC -- but I will not allow us to all vote orange and twiddle our thumbs for 48 hours! I kind of felt like the 1-1 theory seemed to be true. I honestly thought that we were going with it. I think the reason we have to take the 1-1 theory is that to figure it out 100% would basically mean either winning the game, or having a good chance of losing the game. | ||
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On December 30 2012 14:54 Chromatically wrote: If FC flips town, then Orange is probably the most likely, with Syl next. I think that a town FC is very unlikely, however. Well do we see if FC or Orange is town/scum first? | ||
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On December 30 2012 16:49 cakepie wrote: @cDgCorazon I apologize for not being clear about the intentions behind the 1-1 hypothesis. I thought I made it clear in my predawn that kick+orange+FC was still the simple and obvious solution. Thank you very much for your Dec 20 8:37 post, too -- lest it seems underappreciated. @ all Chrom is right (emphasis is mine). While we wait on more from FC, and anything at all from orange, let's not forget to work out who we should lynch first out of the two. Personally, I am setting myself a lynch-10h deadline to see what FC gives us -- he has promised: And he'd better not try to ransom his life in exchange for the information he claims to have. Thanks! It actually took me like 3 hours (I was distracted a lot) to make that whole post. Maybe I'm putting too much time into this game =P My vote's on Orange still. The main reason was summed up by Shz when he said: On December 30 2012 15:27 shz wrote: I'm leaning towards Orange atm, FC at least tried to do something. But we still have some time, so let's see what they contribute. FC has at least given a half attempt to defend himself. More than what Orange has done so far. I do want to hear his suspicions though. | ||
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Sir Issac Newton (Jailkeeper) From OP | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 31 2012 02:45 Chromatically wrote: Or I guess if the nk-carrier was blocked every night... which is very unlikely. I think that we should assume no SK. Well if there isn't anyone who hasn't been night blocked every night, if everyone's rb claims are true. So we should rule SK out. | ||
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