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Orangeremi
Profile Joined July 2011
United States94 Posts
December 28 2012 00:07 GMT
#1201
On December 08 2012 22:23 Promethelax wrote:
Claudius Ptolemy (Framer)


cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
December 28 2012 00:08 GMT
#1202
On December 28 2012 08:59 Aquanim wrote:
AAAAND my other scumread jumps in

GUYS THIS IS TOO OBVIOUS


Reminder: maybe not *that* obvious.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 28 2012 00:10 GMT
#1203
Thank heavens for that.

Everything I thought I knew about the game of mafia would be a lie if Kick flipped town after that.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 28 2012 00:10 GMT
#1204
On December 28 2012 09:08 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 08:59 Aquanim wrote:
AAAAND my other scumread jumps in

GUYS THIS IS TOO OBVIOUS


Reminder: maybe not *that* obvious.


I was panicking and posting the first thing that came to mind to stop anyone else switching to Shz
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
December 28 2012 00:11 GMT
#1205
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 28 2012 00:11 GMT
#1206
I am terrible at this.
So this basically clears shz.
Orange and FC look very bad from how they tried to switch onto shz at the lat moment. They're really the only scummy players left in the game.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 28 2012 00:13 GMT
#1207
So, Orange and FatChunk: could you explain your recent behaviour?
Orangeremi
Profile Joined July 2011
United States94 Posts
December 28 2012 00:13 GMT
#1208
Where would you like me to start?
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
December 28 2012 00:16 GMT
#1209
On December 28 2012 09:10 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 09:08 cakepie wrote:
On December 28 2012 08:59 Aquanim wrote:
AAAAND my other scumread jumps in

GUYS THIS IS TOO OBVIOUS


Reminder: maybe not *that* obvious.


I was panicking and posting the first thing that came to mind to stop anyone else switching to Shz


I was ready to vote Kick at XX:59, but with the tie vote rule, I decided to just sit here and sip my coffee instead.
shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
December 28 2012 00:18 GMT
#1210
Why?
Liquipedia
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
December 28 2012 00:18 GMT
#1211
Still very much want to hear what lurkers have to say about this:

On December 27 2012 18:37 cakepie wrote:
So, lurkers have nothing much useful to say about other lurkers, not surprising perhaps.
Let's try to take the questions in a different direction.


Hypothesis: Chromaticity is scum. Discuss.
Yes, this means to present arguments both for and against the hypothesis.


Caution: this does not imply that I have a scum read on Chrom. He just happens to be interesting enough to build a discussion around.

Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 28 2012 00:19 GMT
#1212
Well... what made you so convinced Shz was scum?
If you were confident enough to last-minute switch (without giving anyone time to think about it) why didn't you push for his lynch earlier?
Why did you think Shz was scummier than Kick?
Look, trying to push a lynch away from scum at the last minute is just up-and-up scummy. Explain your reasoning. In detail.
Orangeremi
Profile Joined July 2011
United States94 Posts
December 28 2012 00:28 GMT
#1213
On December 28 2012 09:19 Aquanim wrote:
Well... what made you so convinced Shz was scum?
If you were confident enough to last-minute switch (without giving anyone time to think about it) why didn't you push for his lynch earlier?
Why did you think Shz was scummier than Kick?
Look, trying to push a lynch away from scum at the last minute is just up-and-up scummy. Explain your reasoning. In detail.

I wasn't convinced Shz was scum. My reasoning is based on Kick not being scum. His lynch was clear and nobody tried to intervene and take votes off of him. Why not? If he was scum, his scumbuddies would be trying to vote someone else. But that wasn't happening. Since it wasn't happening, I was convinced he was town.

Which begs the question, why wasn't it happening?

Chrom switched just as I did, I'd want to know why he didn't push it earlier either.

I wanted to push for whichever vote had the better chance of winning that wasn't Kick, since I was under the impression that Kick wasn't scum.

Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 28 2012 00:40 GMT
#1214
On December 28 2012 09:28 Orangeremi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 09:19 Aquanim wrote:
Well... what made you so convinced Shz was scum?
If you were confident enough to last-minute switch (without giving anyone time to think about it) why didn't you push for his lynch earlier?
Why did you think Shz was scummier than Kick?
Look, trying to push a lynch away from scum at the last minute is just up-and-up scummy. Explain your reasoning. In detail.

I wasn't convinced Shz was scum. My reasoning is based on Kick not being scum. His lynch was clear and nobody tried to intervene and take votes off of him. Why not? If he was scum, his scumbuddies would be trying to vote someone else. But that wasn't happening. Since it wasn't happening, I was convinced he was town.

Which begs the question, why wasn't it happening?

Chrom switched just as I did, I'd want to know why he didn't push it earlier either.

I wanted to push for whichever vote had the better chance of winning that wasn't Kick, since I was under the impression that Kick wasn't scum.


You were voting for FatChunk, not Shz. Why didn't you push the FatChunk wagon harder earlier if that was your concern? For that matter what do you think of FatChunk's play now?
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
December 28 2012 00:45 GMT
#1215
Having a framer in play suggests there's a Cop in play, right?
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
December 28 2012 00:47 GMT
#1216
On December 28 2012 09:45 Sylencia wrote:
Having a framer in play suggests there's a Cop in play, right?


Hush!

Seriously, framer without cop would be a bit bastard. I don't think a newbie game would be set up that way.
Orangeremi
Profile Joined July 2011
United States94 Posts
December 28 2012 00:48 GMT
#1217
I wasn't trying to get anyone in specific lynched because all that was in my head at the time was "Kick is not scum" and my intention with voting for FC was an attempt to view player's reactions (voting wise). I wasn't trying to push the FC wagon, but I was trying to push people to vote for someone also in attempt to get a read off of how they decided to do it. If FC was scum, it seems kind of stupid to take his vote from Kick and put it on a player he knew would flip town (are we convinced shz would flip town?) seeing as it would gain suspicion. If he was scum, I don't know why his vote was on Kick in the first place.
Orangeremi
Profile Joined July 2011
United States94 Posts
December 28 2012 00:48 GMT
#1218
On December 28 2012 09:45 Sylencia wrote:
Having a framer in play suggests there's a Cop in play, right?

That would only make sense
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 28 2012 00:49 GMT
#1219
On December 28 2012 09:45 Sylencia wrote:
Having a framer in play suggests there's a Cop in play, right?

Not necessarily. Hosts like to troll like that.
The reason is basically because if that was true scum would automatically know there was a cop if they had a framer.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 28 2012 00:53 GMT
#1220
On December 28 2012 09:49 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 09:45 Sylencia wrote:
Having a framer in play suggests there's a Cop in play, right?

Not necessarily. Hosts like to troll like that.
The reason is basically because if that was true scum would automatically know there was a cop if they had a framer.

EBWOP: Scum framer and (presumably) roleblocker against town JK and (presumably) roleblocker sounds kinda balanced. Scum has two PRs, which seems powerful, but framer is completely useless and roleblocker is of limited utility without a cop or doctor to counter.

I don't mind discussing it a little, but I don't think setup speculation is particularly useful right now.
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